The Weekend ITK Discussion Thread - 8th/9th August 2015

225 · Aug 9, 2015

THFCSPURS19 said:
We made a deadline day transfer in the last 2 windows.

Hardly. Dele Alli was a done deal before the window even opened (if you believe the ITK, which I do) and didn't actually come in until July, so that one isn't really applicable.

EnfieldYiddo · Aug 9, 2015

When did we get the scout's update Berahino to be announced 100% in next few days? I took that as roughly 2-3 days.

Doesn't seem imminent but key pointer will be if he plays tomorrow.

cockeral · Aug 9, 2015

EnfieldYiddo said:
When did we get the scout's update Berahino to be announced 100% in next few days? I took that as roughly 2-3 days.

Doesn't seem imminent but key pointer will be if he plays tomorrow.

I don't think he will play tomorrow despite the instagram photo

shelfboy68 · Aug 9, 2015

cockeral said:
I don't think he will play tomorrow despite the instagram photo

I think he will play if a deal was that close or even a deal in place he would be distancing himself rather than tweeting about WBA imo.

EnfieldYiddo · Aug 9, 2015

Can't help feel certain people on here massively overstated shifting a bit of deadwood; lauding it as 'the best window ever'

At this very moment in time, it's nothing short of an absolute failure (I recognise there is time left and am willing to hold out some hope)

Currently, we have one senior striker; with the other two seemingly been ostracised.

Furthermore, we still lack pace and incisiveness and those linked to us would go some way to fixing that (especially Berahino).

What worries me though is reports, ITK and quotes from the horse's mouth (Poch) seem to all point to attacking targets being the (only?) priority.

I'd love to know who has been identified in the squad as the main stay midfield partnership... Because theoretically combining anyone we currently have, I still see us on the receiving end of a fair few thrashings this coming season.

N'jie seems to be the only target that is somewhat near and I have my reservations about him - Would anyone really feel comfortable with him leading the line in the scenario of a HK injury.

It does all feel very much after the initial optimism and 'new approach' it'll be another last minute dash.

That's all well and good, as I know many clubs do business (for an unbeknown reason) right at the end... I just wish we would find an equilibrium between chasing the unobtainable and snapping up basement bargain dross.

So in short, let's give it up with Bender, all the signs are pointing to it not being a goer... But by the same token let's not go sign some bang average midfielder for the sake of doing so.

For what it's worth, Berahino, N'jie and *insert midfield option* sounds a very good window.

Scary thing is, there really isn't any obvious midfield options that spring to mind (at least for me, the average football fan)... Time for certain personnel at Spurs to earn their bread me thinks.

225 · Aug 9, 2015

EnfieldYiddo said:
Can't help feel certain people on here massively overstated shifting a bit of deadwood; lauding it as 'the best window ever'

At this very moment in time, it's nothing short of an absolute failure (I recognise there is time left and am willing to hold out some hope)

All aboard the HMS Hyperbole....

dwaynedibley · Aug 9, 2015

This window will be a disaster if we don't sign a minimum of 2 attack minded, quick striker/wide forwards, cos at the moment we are one Kane injury away from being totally and utterly fucked!!

DanielCHillier · Aug 9, 2015

trasores said:
If Berahino has had his medical then he really is trolling the wba fans.

Probably just been told to continue as he normally would as a WBA player until everything is official.

EnfieldYiddo · Aug 9, 2015

225 said:
All aboard the HMS Hyperbole....

How's it hyperbole.

Could easily trawl back and find quotes of a similar ilk to my example (round about the time when we shifted Paulinho and Capoue).

Also, it was clearly an opinion not a fact, as I didn't state it as so.

We've addressed perhaps a third of the squad's major problem... That being shoring up the defence somewhat.

Insane to think people are happy with the fact we only have Kane as our only recognised striker and don't see an immediate problem with that.Window open or not, the season has started.

millsey · Aug 9, 2015

cockeral said:
I don't think he will play tomorrow despite the instagram photo

Based on nothing whatsoever

ShaunL84 · Aug 9, 2015

This place should be fun when Berahino starts tomorrow.

millsey · Aug 9, 2015

dwaynedibley said:
This window will be a disaster if we don't sign a minimum of 2 attack minded, quick striker/wide forwards, cos at the moment we are one Kane injury away from being totally and utterly fucked!!

'Best transfer window we've ever had'

Spurger King · Aug 9, 2015

EnfieldYiddo said:
We've addressed perhaps a third of the squad's major problem... That being shoring up the defence somewhat.

And it only took us two summer windows!

hakano · Aug 9, 2015

yojambo said:
If we can't get our preferred choice at CM then isn't it better to not sign anyone?

Bloating the squad with average players is exactly what we are trying to avoid is it not?

Totally agree that we shouldn't go for players for the sake of it however don't tell me there aren't players out there that we can get which will improve the first team. We are hardly a team of galacticos.

shelfboy68 · Aug 9, 2015

EnfieldYiddo said:
Can't help feel certain people on here massively overstated shifting a bit of deadwood; lauding it as 'the best window ever'

At this very moment in time, it's nothing short of an absolute failure (I recognise there is time left and am willing to hold out some hope)

Currently, we have one senior striker; with the other two seemingly been ostracised.

Furthermore, we still lack pace and incisiveness and those linked to us would go some way to fixing that (especially Berahino).

What worries me though is reports, ITK and quotes from the horse's mouth (Poch) seem to all point to attacking targets being the (only?) priority.

I'd love to know who has been identified in the squad as the main stay midfield partnership... Because theoretically combining anyone we currently have, I still see us on the receiving end of a fair few thrashings this coming season.

N'jie seems to be the only target that is somewhat near and I have my reservations about him - Would anyone really feel comfortable with him leading the line in the scenario of a HK injury.

It does all feel very much after the initial optimism and 'new approach' it'll be another last minute dash.

That's all well and good, as I know many clubs do business (for an unbeknown reason) right at the end... I just wish we would find an equilibrium between chasing the unobtainable and snapping up basement bargain dross.

So in short, let's give it up with Bender, all the signs are pointing to it not being a goer... But by the same token let's not go sign some bang average midfielder for the sake of doing so.

For what it's worth, Berahino, N'jie and *insert midfield option* sounds a very good window.

Scary thing is, there really isn't any obvious midfield options that spring to mind (at least for me, the average football fan)... Time for certain personnel at Spurs to earn their bread me thinks.

You shouldnt be suprised about our dealings as this window was always going to be the same as previous ones, lose a few off the payroll and bring one or two in with the rest coming in the last week.
Again no suprises some will sign new contracts with their clubs after using us for negotiations and others we will fail to conclude deals for because of price.
We clearly need 2-3 additions but whether we get them remains to be seen but i hope the club back the manager because without theright players its going to be Hard for him to complete his job properly.

Stoof · Aug 9, 2015

@Bobby__Lucky said:
Think the way this ITK has panned out that is either or with Njie and Berahino and n'jie looks to be the one we will get. I do agree with another persons assumption that N'jie and Berahino are too similar for both to be targets. Maybe we have another striker type striker in the pipe line that we haven't been linked with media wise.

Actually - and unless I've missed anything in the last 24 hours - all the ITK this summer has not pointed to one or the other at all.

WorthATry · Aug 9, 2015

ShaunL84 said:
This place should be fun when Berahino starts tomorrow.

The only reason he'd start is so that he can wave goodbye to the crowd at full-time.

mikeeegreen · Aug 9, 2015

EnfieldYiddo said:
Can't help feel certain people on here massively overstated shifting a bit of deadwood; lauding it as 'the best window ever'

At this very moment in time, it's nothing short of an absolute failure (I recognise there is time left and am willing to hold out some hope)

Currently, we have one senior striker; with the other two seemingly been ostracised.

Furthermore, we still lack pace and incisiveness and those linked to us would go some way to fixing that (especially Berahino).

What worries me though is reports, ITK and quotes from the horse's mouth (Poch) seem to all point to attacking targets being the (only?) priority.

I'd love to know who has been identified in the squad as the main stay midfield partnership... Because theoretically combining anyone we currently have, I still see us on the receiving end of a fair few thrashings this coming season.

N'jie seems to be the only target that is somewhat near and I have my reservations about him - Would anyone really feel comfortable with him leading the line in the scenario of a HK injury.

It does all feel very much after the initial optimism and 'new approach' it'll be another last minute dash.

That's all well and good, as I know many clubs do business (for an unbeknown reason) right at the end... I just wish we would find an equilibrium between chasing the unobtainable and snapping up basement bargain dross.

So in short, let's give it up with Bender, all the signs are pointing to it not being a goer... But by the same token let's not go sign some bang average midfielder for the sake of doing so.

For what it's worth, Berahino, N'jie and *insert midfield option* sounds a very good window.

Scary thing is, there really isn't any obvious midfield options that spring to mind (at least for me, the average football fan)... Time for certain personnel at Spurs to earn their bread me thinks.

This post is bang on the money

Samson · Aug 9, 2015

EnfieldYiddo said:
Can't help feel certain people on here massively overstated shifting a bit of deadwood; lauding it as 'the best window ever'

At this very moment in time, it's nothing short of an absolute failure (I recognise there is time left and am willing to hold out some hope)

Currently, we have one senior striker; with the other two seemingly been ostracised.

Furthermore, we still lack pace and incisiveness and those linked to us would go some way to fixing that (especially Berahino).

What worries me though is reports, ITK and quotes from the horse's mouth (Poch) seem to all point to attacking targets being the (only?) priority.

I'd love to know who has been identified in the squad as the main stay midfield partnership... Because theoretically combining anyone we currently have, I still see us on the receiving end of a fair few thrashings this coming season.

N'jie seems to be the only target that is somewhat near and I have my reservations about him - Would anyone really feel comfortable with him leading the line in the scenario of a HK injury.

It does all feel very much after the initial optimism and 'new approach' it'll be another last minute dash.

That's all well and good, as I know many clubs do business (for an unbeknown reason) right at the end... I just wish we would find an equilibrium between chasing the unobtainable and snapping up basement bargain dross.

So in short, let's give it up with Bender, all the signs are pointing to it not being a goer... But by the same token let's not go sign some bang average midfielder for the sake of doing so.

For what it's worth, Berahino, N'jie and *insert midfield option* sounds a very good window.

Scary thing is, there really isn't any obvious midfield options that spring to mind (at least for me, the average football fan)... Time for certain personnel at Spurs to earn their bread me thinks.

Mate, don't panic, Adebayor will be there if Kane gets injured.

225 · Aug 9, 2015

EnfieldYiddo said:
Also, it was clearly an opinion not a fact, as I didn't state it as so.

We've addressed perhaps a third of the squad's major problem... That being shoring up the defence somewhat.

Insane to think people are happy with the fact we only have Kane as our only recognised striker and don't see an immediate problem with that.Window open or not, the season has started.

WTF has fact got to do with it? "It's nothing short of absolute failure" is absolutely hyperbole.

Here's the facts:

Facts from 2014/15

With our two main strikers playing very rarely, and contributing 3 goals between them, we scored 58 goals. the 5th highest scoring rate.

We also conceded 53 goals - more than any team in the top 12, and the same as Burnley who were relegated.

Of the players we have sold for money (Paulinho, Holtby, Capoue, Kaboul, Stambouli, Chiriches, Fredericks, Hall) not a single one had scored a premier league goal in 2014/15. There's also a good chance that a few were amongst the top 5-7 earners at the club.

Nacer Chadli scored 11 league goals, despite the many attribute flaws he has that have been described on here this summer.

We struggled to cover our positions in defence more than any other area of the pitch

Facts from this transfer window

We've signed quality first-team options to cover/resolve our issues in defence.

We've sold half a dozen first team players who were restricting our ability to add proven talent to the first team.

We've made clear our intent to stamp out off-field issues which would affect squad harmony.

It isn't September yet.

I fail to see how that is "absolute failure". The biggest damage last season was caused by the problems we've addressed early, not the improvements we can make later. All of the ITK is linked to positions that we recognise can be addressed, so it's hardly like we're ignoring them!

Edit: Irony is the poster creating the broken record "Levy doesn't sign players" content marking my post as spam

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