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Disconosebleed · Feb 17, 2016

Everlasting Seconds said:
"Intention" in the rules is actually interpreted as intention/lack of intention in avoiding handball. You don't have to demonstrate that the handball was unintentional, you must demonstrate that you intentionally acted to avoid the handball. Which actually are two different things. So, if you don't show enough intention to avoid the ball with your hand, it's handball. This is to avoid that players arbitrage when their hands are already placed unnaturally. Funny, huh?

Where have you got this idea from? The relevant passage from the FA's rules of governance:

A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following three offences:

handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)

A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided it is in play.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...ball-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct.aspx

There is no mention of this weird new alternative meaning of 'intent' you're proposing which bears no relation to intent whatsoever.

The only issue with regard to the Sterling handball is whether he intented it in the traditional sense ie. meant to do it, rather than didn't try not to do it. And he clearly didn't intend to handle it. It was a bad decision, but one that went our way. Isn't that enough? We'd all be raging if it went against us, so it's stupid and hypocritical to try and justify it just because it went our way.

yiddopaul · Feb 17, 2016

Lol! Are we STILL debating THAT penalty. Who cares, it went in our favour. Move on.

Luka Van der Bale · Feb 17, 2016

thinktank said:

To be fair there genuinely isn't a centre back in the world better than Toby. He is that good.

kitchen · Feb 17, 2016

Luka Van der Bale said:
To be fair there genuinely isn't a centre back in the world better than Toby. He is that good.

Godín might have something to say about that, but the fact that I'm entertaining an Alderweireld vs Godín debate shows just how good Toby has been!

UpTownSpur · Feb 17, 2016

Alli's yellow card against Watford away was not a yellow card but Capoue feigning injury and the Watford players' reaction "won" the yellow card for them - they'd been hoping for a red.

It was Rose's extreme reaction that convinced Clattenburg it had hit Sterling's hand and it was a penalty - Rose had the best view after all. It was the same with Leicester in the cup.

TottenhamMattSpur · Feb 17, 2016

dagraham said:
Don't mind him personally, but I get what you're saying. I have similar feelings when we beat West Ham and I think of Russell Brand and James Corden.

Seriously? That's the worst you can think of?

I see your Russell Brand and James Corden and I raise you Danny Dyer and Ray Winstone

NEVILLEB · Feb 17, 2016

Everlasting Seconds said:
It was a fair penalty. The hand was lifted up and away from the body. One is simply not allowed to block a ball that way, however ... "unintentional" it is. Completely understandable decision.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10167866/watch-was-spurs-penalty-right

Everlasting Seconds · Feb 17, 2016

NEVILLEB said:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10167866/watch-was-spurs-penalty-right

I rest my case.

Gb160 · Feb 17, 2016

NEVILLEB said:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10167866/watch-was-spurs-penalty-right

Not sure Thierry Henry should be commenting on handball decisions tbh.

adamsky · Feb 17, 2016

Is simple for me. If sterling had jumped as he did and the ball directly hit his arm then I don't think he can complain about it being a penalty, as if you jump like that you are taking the risk. However, on this occasion the ball primarily hit his back and then touched his arm, so I think it shouldn't have been given.

Happy it was though.

BehindEnemyLines · Feb 17, 2016

HobokenSpur said:
Out of its range? They're submarines not planes. Gonna need sonar at this rate...

UpTownSpur said:
Alli's yellow card against Watford away was not a yellow card but Capoue feigning injury and the Watford players' reaction "won" the yellow card for them - they'd been hoping for a red.

It was Rose's extreme reaction that convinced Clattenburg it had hit Sterling's hand and it was a penalty - Rose had the best view after all. It was the same with Leicester in the cup.

rose hits the first man so often with his crosses that I'm starting to think he's playing for handbags hand balls.

Sweech · Feb 17, 2016

Ehn, last year Naughton lunged for the ball, it hit his arm, and not only was the penalty given, but he was red carded. Did he mean to hit it with his arm? No, that's a natural movement to balance yourself when you lunge like that, but that shit happens.

jezz · Feb 17, 2016

The penalty didn't win the match.
Toure should have got red he didn't.
It happens, we won fcuk them.

night-watchman · Feb 17, 2016

Kiedis said:
Saintsweb, on the possibility of Poch leaving Spurs:

"There's no evidence to suggest that Poch is any more disloyal than any comparable football manager so no idea where this "he'll be off like a shot" garbage is coming from....

Most of them are speaking quite a lot of sense to be fair.

spurs9 · Feb 17, 2016

nightgoat said:
And then when we did qualify that Gooner tosspiece didn't take it seriously and we got knocked out by fucking Kaislerslauten.

Yeah, dropping your best (only good) attacking player for the second leg to protect a 1-0 lead is nor such a good idea.

thelak · Feb 17, 2016

Sweech said:
Ehn, last year Naughton lunged for the ball, it hit his arm, and not only was the penalty given, but he was red carded. Did he mean to hit it with his arm? No, that's a natural movement to balance yourself when you lunge like that, but that shit happens.

Wow. Naughton played for Spurs last year. Feels like another lifetime ago we had guys like Naughton playing for us

Ausp · Feb 17, 2016

Hazardousman said:
I think we will sneak it 2-1, we will take the lead, City will nick one back and then we will score in the final 10 mins to win.

Illuminati confirmed...

Seriously, you were right on the money. I was expecting us to do City in, but Pellegrini brought a bit of Mou tactics and I wasn't expecting the return of Kompany and Silva.

Good job. (y)

Mattspur · Feb 17, 2016

Everlasting Seconds said:
I think I find us going over this discussion every other week.

"Intention" in the rules is actually interpreted as intention/lack of intention in avoiding handball. You don't have to demonstrate that the handball was unintentional, you must demonstrate that you intentionally acted to avoid the handball. Which actually are two different things. So, if you don't show enough intention to avoid the ball with your hand, it's handball. This is to avoid that players arbitrage when their hands are already placed unnaturally. Funny, huh?

I think you're making it up as you go along. Nowhere in the rules of the game does it mention the interpretation you stated.

@Luka Van der Bale and @Yid-ol if you guys want to get into football it's a good idea to learn the laws.

Sweech · Feb 17, 2016

thelak said:
Wow. Naughton played for Spurs last year. Feels like another lifetime ago we had guys like Naughton playing for us

First game of the season too I think.

Noble missed the pen, Dier scored in the last minute.

Luka Van der Bale · Feb 17, 2016

Mattspur said:
I think you're making it up as you go along. Nowhere in the rules of the game does it mention the interpretation you stated.

@Luka Van der Bale and @Yid-ol if you guys want to get into football it's a good idea to learn the rules.

What? I haven't rated the post you quoted, and think the Sterling incident was never a penalty. Why have I been dragged into this?

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