Summer Transfer Wish List

Hercules · Apr 4, 2016

JayB said:
There's a post on Reddit today regarding the fact in the 17 league matches we've played against the current top 12, we've only managed 4 wins. In light of the embarrassment against Dortmund, that points to a real need for genuine improvement if we want to put together a respectable run in the CL and continue to challenge for the PL title moving forward.

When you consider the brilliant managers who are coming into the league and the massive sums that the likes of City, Chelsea, United, Liverpool and perhaps even Arsenal are likely to spend over the summer, we will absolutely have to make significant changes and investments in the squad if we are to keep pace at the top of the PL table. Tinkering around the margins and adding a young talent here or a rotation option there simply will not be sufficient, we need real quality and with the increase in TV revenue and CL we will have the requisite funds and pull to attract it.

So with all that said, here's the business I'd like to see us do over the summer:

OUTS:

Yedlin - He'll want better than being third choice, and if he stuck around he'd be blocking KWP's progression. We'll probably be able to turn a small profit on the tiny outlay we spent to bring him in. No brainier.

Fazio - Obviously on his way out.

Carroll - A serviceable squad player who has evidently earned Poch's trust. While I wouldn't be surprised if we kept him, at this point I think we can safely say that he'll never play more than a bit-part role for us, so it'd be in his best interests to move on. I think the club would be better served in the long run if his minutes were given to the likes of Onomah and Winks, anyway.

Mason - Basically in the exact same situation as Carroll in that Poch rates him but he has hardly set the world alight. When he's been good, he's been really good, but his performances are too inconsistent and his injury record too long for him to be counted upon. A full England international who was a mainstay in a side that finished 5th, we should be able to get a hefty fee for him.

Bentaleb - I personally still rate him and it sickens me to think that an academy product with his ability will be shipped out after one bad season, but it is blatantly obvious that something has taken place behind the scenes to cause Poch to lose trust in him, and we saw last summer that Poch is absolutely ruthless in those circumstances (as he ought to be). If his problems were purely fitness related, he wouldn't have been getting regular 90-minute run-outs with the U21s. It pisses me off, but he's gone. On the bright side he should command a very sizeable pricetag.

Chadli - While very productive, he either lacks the ability, the will, or both to play Poch's pressing game for 90 minutes. We can't afford to carry any passengers, and it's an opportunity to turn a tidy profit and bolster the transfer kitty.

INS:

DM: One of the major imbalances in the squad as it stands. I could see us going in for Wanyama, who Poch rates and should come cheaply given he'll be in the last year of his contract. Failing that I'd like to see us go in for Dendoncker, who is quality and would also be cheap coming from the Belgian league. Either one of those two would slot in and allow Dier to serve as Toby's backup, rounding out that part of the squad nicely.

CM: Our performances have dropped off massively when Moussa has been unavailable, and none of Carroll, Mason, or Bentaleb are good enough or trusted enough (in the case of the latter) to replace him. As such we need to make a big acquisition to provide genuine competition and rotation at this position. Pjanic reportedly has a €30m (£24m) release clause, Kroos is supposedly on his way out of Madrid, and Schneiderlin may be unsettled at United. While all of them are almost certainly out of our league, we are surely going to be an attractive prospect to players and it's worth a shot. In the likely scenario that none of those options materialize, hopefully we can bring in a young talent with the potential to reach the very top -- someone of the ilk of Tielemans, Kovacic, Bazoer, or Diawara.

Striker: We should do everything possible to get Lacazette, who is attainable and an absolutely perfect fit.

With those three acquisitions our squad we'd be left with the following squad:

CF: Kane, Lacazette, Njie, Son
AM: Eriksen, Lamela, Alli, Lacazette, Son, Njie, Pritchard, Onomah
CM: Dembele, Alli, New CM, Onomah, Winks
DM: Dier, New DM, Ball
RB: Walker, Trippier, KWP
LB: Rose, Davies
RCB: Toby, Dier, CCV
LCB: Vertonghen, Wimmer
GK: Lloris, Worm

It's a lot to ask, but as I said out the beginning of the post we need to be bold if we want to progress. There's no room for sentimentality or complacency, and the money should certainly be available from outgoings, TV, and CL to make a big splash in the transfer market.

Very goods post and well thought out points which state similar to mine. If, which is the intention we want to go up another level, we need to replicate that in the squad. Along with your post I believe we need 4 players( one to cover Toby, one to cover Dier, one to play alongside of necessary Kane, and another number 10 that will pose a massive threat, not only to our opponent, but existing first 11. I still question Davies whose pace exposed him massively. Trips I can give more time with KWP in the background.

We'llWinThePrem · Apr 4, 2016

I'd like Wanyama or Witsel for the DM position. I think we'll probably need someone like that next to Dier in Europe.

THFCSPURS19 · Apr 4, 2016

JayB said:
There's a post on Reddit today regarding the fact in the 17 league matches we've played against the current top 12, we've only managed 4 wins. In light of the embarrassment against Dortmund, that points to a real need for genuine improvement if we want to put together a respectable run in the CL and continue to challenge for the PL title moving forward.

When you consider the brilliant managers who are coming into the league and the massive sums that the likes of City, Chelsea, United, Liverpool and perhaps even Arsenal are likely to spend over the summer, we will absolutely have to make significant changes and investments in the squad if we are to keep pace at the top of the PL table. Tinkering around the margins and adding a young talent here or a rotation option there simply will not be sufficient, we need real quality and with the increase in TV revenue and CL we will have the requisite funds and pull to attract it.

So with all that said, here's the business I'd like to see us do over the summer:

OUTS:

Yedlin - He'll want better than being third choice, and if he stuck around he'd be blocking KWP's progression. We'll probably be able to turn a small profit on the tiny outlay we spent to bring him in. No brainier.

Fazio - Obviously on his way out.

Carroll - A serviceable squad player who has evidently earned Poch's trust. While I wouldn't be surprised if we kept him, at this point I think we can safely say that he'll never play more than a bit-part role for us, so it'd be in his best interests to move on. I think the club would be better served in the long run if his minutes were given to the likes of Onomah and Winks, anyway.

Mason - Basically in the exact same situation as Carroll in that Poch rates him but he has hardly set the world alight. When he's been good, he's been really good, but his performances are too inconsistent and his injury record too long for him to be counted upon. A full England international who was a mainstay in a side that finished 5th, we should be able to get a hefty fee for him.

Bentaleb - I personally still rate him and it sickens me to think that an academy product with his ability will be shipped out after one bad season, but it is blatantly obvious that something has taken place behind the scenes to cause Poch to lose trust in him, and we saw last summer that Poch is absolutely ruthless in those circumstances (as he ought to be). If his problems were purely fitness related, he wouldn't have been getting regular 90-minute run-outs with the U21s. It pisses me off, but he's gone. On the bright side he should command a very sizeable pricetag.

Chadli - While very productive, he either lacks the ability, the will, or both to play Poch's pressing game for 90 minutes. We can't afford to carry any passengers, and it's an opportunity to turn a tidy profit and bolster the transfer kitty.

INS:

DM: One of the major imbalances in the squad as it stands. I could see us going in for Wanyama, who Poch rates and should come cheaply given he'll be in the last year of his contract. Failing that I'd like to see us go in for Dendoncker, who is quality and would also be cheap coming from the Belgian league. Either one of those two would slot in and allow Dier to serve as Toby's backup, rounding out that part of the squad nicely.

CM: Our performances have dropped off massively when Moussa has been unavailable, and none of Carroll, Mason, or Bentaleb are good enough or trusted enough (in the case of the latter) to replace him. As such we need to make a big acquisition to provide genuine competition and rotation at this position. Pjanic reportedly has a €30m (£24m) release clause, Kroos is supposedly on his way out of Madrid, and Schneiderlin may be unsettled at United. While all of them are almost certainly out of our league, we are surely going to be an attractive prospect to players and it's worth a shot. In the likely scenario that none of those options materialize, hopefully we can bring in a young talent with the potential to reach the very top -- someone of the ilk of Tielemans, Kovacic, Bazoer, or Diawara.

Striker: We should do everything possible to get Lacazette, who is attainable and an absolutely perfect fit.

With those three acquisitions to the squad we'd be left with the following:

CF: Kane, Lacazette, Njie, Son
AM: Eriksen, Lamela, Alli, Lacazette, Son, Njie, Pritchard, Onomah
CM: Dembele, Alli, New CM, Onomah, Winks
DM: Dier, New DM, Ball
RB: Walker, Trippier, KWP
LB: Rose, Davies
RCB: Toby, Dier, CCV
LCB: Vertonghen, Wimmer
GK: Lloris, Worm

It's a lot to ask, but as I said out the beginning of the post we need to be bold if we want to progress. There's no room for sentimentality or complacency, and the money should certainly be available from outgoings, TV, and CL to make a big splash in the transfer market.

Not liking this purge of our Academy CMs you've got there. I'd sell Carroll, but I wouldn't sell Bentaleb or Mason. I know Nabil might be sold because of issues with Poch but I still wouldn't sell Mason. He's been here for ages and is probably well-liked in the squad, I don't think he'd be too fussed with a place on the bench and he loves the club. He didn't cost anything so we should just keep him.

THFCSPURS19 · Apr 4, 2016

Hercules said:
I still question Davies whose pace exposed him massively.

You've said this a lot but always we've been solid when he's played this season, bar the match against Dortmund where the whole team (bar Toby) got ripped to shreds. The only game where a pacey player has destroyed him was (imo) weirdly against Sheffield United last season where some guy tormented him.

danielneeds · Apr 4, 2016

THFCSPURS19 said:
Not liking this purge of our Academy CMs you've got there. I'd sell Carroll, but I wouldn't sell Bentaleb or Mason. I know Nabil might be sold because of issues with Poch but I still wouldn't sell Mason. He's been here for ages and is probably well-liked in the squad, I don't think he'd be too fussed with a place on the bench and he loves the club. He didn't cost anything so we should just keep him.

No, no, come on Ryan's had a few average games since coming back from a long term injury, of course we should immediately look to sell, sell, sell, rather than help him get back to the level of last season...

JayB · Apr 4, 2016

THFCSPURS19 said:
Not liking this purge of our Academy CMs you've got there. I'd sell Carroll, but I wouldn't sell Bentaleb or Mason. I know Nabil might be sold because of issues with Poch but I still wouldn't sell Mason. He's been here for ages and is probably well-liked in the squad, I don't think he'd be too fussed with a place on the bench and he loves the club. He didn't cost anything so we should just keep him.

I'm not crazy about the idea myself, but like I said there's no room for sentimentality. Mason's had very few good performances this season (Sunderland comes to mind) and is constantly injured. He's standing in the way of Onomah and Winks and isn't consistently performing up to a standard to justify that, IMO.

danielneeds · Apr 4, 2016

JayB said:
I'm not crazy about the idea myself, but like I said there's no room for sentimentality. Mason's had very few good performances this season (Sunderland comes to mind) and is constantly injured. He's standing in the way of Onomah and Winks and isn't consistently performing up to a standard to justify that, IMO.

His injury record is the only reason that will see Poch maybe eventually decide to sell him. I'd definitely give him another season to see if he can get a bit more sturdy.

THFCSPURS19 · Apr 4, 2016

JayB said:
I'm not crazy about the idea myself, but like I said there's no room for sentimentality. Mason's had very few good performances this season (Sunderland comes to mind) and is constantly injured. He's standing in the way of Onomah and Winks and isn't consistently performing up to a standard to justify that, IMO.

He's had significant injuries twice this season, so I think it's unfair to criticise him for not 'consistently performing up to a standard'.

Hercules · Apr 4, 2016

THFCSPURS19 said:
You've said this a lot but always we've been solid when he's played this season, bar the match against Dortmund where the whole team (bar Toby) got ripped to shreds. The only game where a pacey player has destroyed him was (imo) weirdly against Sheffield United last season where some guy tormented him.

I have said this a lot, and it is a concern. I have seen games where his lack of pace has let him down. Now when you play both him and trips our place, aside from games like Watford at home he is exposed.

JayB · Apr 4, 2016

The issue is that Mason's had significant injuries for his entire career. It's hardly a one-off. He's in his mid-twenties, he's had plenty of time to prove he's "more sturdy."

Beyond that, if we bring in a first-XI quality CM to compete with Dembele (which we absolutely should), Mason will be reduced to a bit-part role. It'd be in his best interests to be at a club where he'll have regular opportunities to start matches, and selling him would be a big boost to the transfer kitty and therefore to our ability to bring in the quality we need to progress. I'm not clamoring for him to be unceremoniously shipped off -- like I said, when he's good he's really good -- but I think it makes sense for all involved.

Spursidol · Apr 4, 2016

NEVILLEB said:
We need pace

Clinton

We haven't seen much of him through injury, so he'll be almost new

Hercules · Apr 4, 2016

Spursidol said:
Clinton

We haven't seen much of him through injury, so he'll be almost new

What I have seen so far is meh, but prepared to give him until next season before I cast judgement.

danielneeds · Apr 4, 2016

JayB said:
The issue is that Mason's had significant injuries for his entire career. It's hardly a one-off. He's in his mid-twenties, he's had plenty of time to prove he's "more sturdy."

Beyond that, if we bring in a first-XI quality CM to compete with Dembele (which we absolutely should), Mason will be reduced to a bit-part role. It'd be in his best interests to be at a club where he'll have regular opportunities to start matches, and selling him would be a big boost to the transfer kitty and therefore to our ability to bring in the quality we need to progress. I'm not clamoring for him to be unceremoniously shipped off -- like I said, when he's good he's really good -- but I think it makes sense for all involved.

I agree his injury record is chronic, but there are things he can do, like yoga, that might help to strengthen certain weaknesses in his make-up. I'm sure he and club are leaving no stone unturned.

Spursidol · Apr 4, 2016

Everlasting Seconds said:
I love it every time somebody repeats that myth.

I think you mean the myth that spending £20m£30m guarantees instant success......hello Lamela Son et al

and the other big myths which seem to have gone away recently but were very popular a few years ago :

- 'We've not had a good player from Spurs youth since Ledley so why mention them as alternative in a transfer thead'

- Harry Kane's too slow even for the Championship

and in summer TW and at the start of the season

'One season wonder'

JayB · Apr 4, 2016

danielneeds said:
I agree his injury record is chronic, but there are things he can do, like yoga, that might help to strengthen certain weaknesses in his make-up. I'm sure he and club are leaving no stone unturned.

I'm sure they are, but I'm skeptical at this point that he'll ever be fully fit. If he's constantly in and out of the squad, unable to gain form due to his injury struggles and place down the pecking order, then isn't the club better off giving those intermittent minutes to young talents like Onomah and Winks?

Spursidol · Apr 4, 2016

Hercules said:
What I have seen so far is meh, but prepared to give him until next season before I cast judgement.

Good Your earlier posts suggest half the squad needed replacing

THOWIG · Apr 4, 2016

brasil_spur said:
Dier has been outstanding at DM, i'm not sure there's another DM in the world right now i would want to start ahead of Dier, but hey let's just move him to CB....

That's not what I said.

CJMurray · Apr 4, 2016

JayB said:
I'm not crazy about the idea myself, but like I said there's no room for sentimentality. Mason's had very few good performances this season (Sunderland comes to mind) and is constantly injured. He's standing in the way of Onomah and Winks and isn't consistently performing up to a standard to justify that, IMO.

Why would we bin off Mason and Bentaleb for Winks and Onomah? Winks has done nothing yet. He can't have played more than 60 minutes of professional football in his career but we should bin off 2 international academy graduates who were brilliant for us last season?

Selling Mason and Bentaleb and replacing them with Winks and Onomah is unnecessarily weakening our squad.

We should be loaning out Winks and Onomah next season. Winks needs to actually play some pro football and Onomah needs regular prem football which I don't think he'll get here with Pritchard coming back.

JayB · Apr 4, 2016

CJMurray said:
Why would we bin off Mason and Bentaleb for Winks and Onomah? Winks has done nothing yet. He can't have played more than 60 minutes of professional football in his career but we should bin off 2 international academy graduates who were brilliant for us last season?

Selling Mason and Bentaleb and replacing them with Winks and Onomah is unnecessarily weakening our squad.

We should be loaning out Winks and Onomah next season. Winks needs to actually play some pro football and Onomah needs regular prem football which I don't think he'll get here with Pritchard coming back.

Did you read my whole initial post from which this discussion started? I don't think we should be "bin[ning] off" Bentaleb at all, but it's blatantly obvious that he's lost Poch's trust so I'd be surprised if we kept him around.

As for Mason he's practically never been fit his whole career, and if we bring in competition for Dembele (which we need), he'll only get matches here and there anyway, making it difficult for him to ever gain form. With Alli and the new CM he'd be fourth choice. Onomah I'm guessing based on this season will be kept around the squad and it makes more sense for him to take that place in the squad, though perhaps one more season down the line.

I'm thinking of it purely in the sense that the value Mason's sale would provide would be greater than would his value to the squad as fourth choice, particularly when we have capable youngsters to play that role. If the 10-15m he'd bring in makes the difference between, say, Lacazette and Berahino, we need to make the ruthless decision.

THOWIG · Apr 4, 2016

I don't think we'll sell either Mason or Bentaleb, but if some of the rumours about Bentaleb are true then you never know.

Regardless this isn't the time for sentiment.

We will sign a central midfielder.

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