Spurs U21’s, U18’s and other youth news – 2015/16 Edition

spurs9 · Apr 23, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
I think KWP was ready to do the same type of job that Trippier has done this season.

I know Njie is different to Pritchard, but I don't necessarily think he was a better option for that difference, personally I think Pritchard offers a lot more than NJie apart from in a 10 yard sprint. And when you consider we already had Chadli, Eriksen, Lamela, and bought Son and Alli as well (know Son arrived after but we were obviously working on both so could have made the choice of either or regardless of who came first).

All we did was throw another 10m body - with even less senior experience and proven ability - in front of Pritchard in the queue for a AM place.

I disagree on KWP and I rate him alot. Njie you are being harsh on, he also stretches defences, can get in behind and is a good dribbler. Chadli may play wide but he doesn't stretch defences, and rarely dribbles and IMO, is more of a block than Njie or Son.

jari17 · Apr 23, 2016

Well well well, Solanke seems to have rejected a new contract at Chelsea, they just lost Domingos Quina and Ola Aina might be a free agent in the summer. Now I understand why Emenalo sounds so bitter, their boys might be seeing whats going on at Spurs and changing their minds on their career paths.

Sweech · Apr 23, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
I think KWP was ready to do the same type of job that Trippier has done this season.

I know Njie is different to Pritchard, but I don't necessarily think he was a better option for that difference, personally I think Pritchard offers a lot more than NJie apart from in a 10 yard sprint. And when you consider we already had Chadli, Eriksen, Lamela, and bought Son and Alli as well (know Son arrived after but we were obviously working on both so could have made the choice of either or regardless of who came first).

All we did was throw another 10m body - with even less senior experience and proven ability - in front of Pritchard in the queue for a AM place.

Looking at KWP last year I would have said he'd have to put on about 20 pounds just for me to consider him "small".

Love the kid, although his season this year was a mixed bag, but he is very small and very slight. I wouldn't have imagined he could have coped physically if we would have had to heavily rely on him.

IGSpur · Apr 23, 2016

Sweech said:
Looking at KWP last year I would have said he'd have to put on about 20 pounds just for me to consider him "small".

Love the kid, although his season this year was a mixed bag, but he is very small and very slight. I wouldn't have imagined he could have coped physically if we would have had to heavily rely on him.

Looks to have grown a lot this year and contrary to quite a few others I think he is one of the few players that have improved this year. He still has his dribbling and he is still controlling games from RB, which is rare. Yet he isn't as gung ho and I guess as eye catching as before, because of it. But knows when to stay and when to go and seems to have improved his defensive game. For a RB to win a player of the month award shows he is still putting in really good performances.

But most impressively for me is his crossing has really improved, his strength was beating people coming inside getting into the box and getting off shots or linking up with attacking players, now he is beginning to whip some good balls with his right and left foot which makes him more unpredictable. Hard to really judge how good a RBs defence is but I thought he performed admirably in post season tour, he was just small but I think he would do well in preseason

raiden · Apr 23, 2016

jari17 said:
Well well well, Solanke seems to have rejected a new contract at Chelsea, they just lost Domingos Quina and Ola Aina might be a free agent in the summer. Now I understand why Emenalo sounds so bitter, their boys might be seeing whats going on at Spurs and changing their minds on their career paths.

Domingos Quina is apparently joining West Ham according to a report in daily mail and they also sighed a young player from Valencia. Their was itk saying Marcus Edwards has been offered big money by Chelsea a couple days ago, but is their more of a worry that Marcus could go to West Ham.

jari17 · Apr 23, 2016

raiden said:
Domingos Quina is apparently joining West Ham according to a report in daily mail and they also sighed a young player from Valencia. Their was itk saying Marcus Edwards has been offered big money by Chelsea a couple days ago, but is their more of a worry that Marcus could go to West Ham.

No way would Marcus go to West Ham, anyway there has been absolutely no speculation about that.

raiden · Apr 23, 2016

jari17 said:
No way would Marcus would go West Ham, anyway there has been absolutely no speculation about that.

I know theirs no speculation its just a thought with west ham pushing for youth players and with his friend reece oxford also playing their, it was just a thought

beats1 · Apr 23, 2016

raiden said:
I know theirs no speculation its just a thought with west ham pushing for youth players and with his friend reece oxford also playing their, it was just a thought

In terms of Edwards, Arsenal is the worry, he may be close to Oxford but Arsenal are desperate and throwing a lot of money round the top youth players

DezFitz · Apr 23, 2016

I thought I had read on here before that there was a gentlemans agreement between the top clubs in the UK not to poach each others youngsters? Seems to have gone out the window in the last year which is a shame. We should go after Solanke if that is the case.

beats1 · Apr 23, 2016

DezFitz said:
I thought I had read on here before that there was a gentlemans agreement between the top clubs in the UK not to poach each others youngsters? Seems to have gone out the window in the last year which is a shame. We should go after Solanke if that is the case.

There was an understanding, that has gone out the window after the big academies have become desperate

elDiablo · Apr 23, 2016

Blake Griffin said:

thanks for posting.

i really like this kid and see lots of potential. defo in the modric mould.

i also like onomah too but imo winks' potential as a cm is much more obvious, where as i find it difficult to pinpoint with josh. will he be a no.10, or will he be dembele's long replacment. looking forward to seeing them in preseason alongside edwards hopefully.

IGSpur · Apr 23, 2016

DezFitz said:
I thought I had read on here before that there was a gentlemans agreement between the top clubs in the UK not to poach each others youngsters? Seems to have gone out the window in the last year which is a shame. We should go after Solanke if that is the case.

While I like Solanke, we wouldn't offer him the wages anywhere near he'd like. However someone like West Ham might. Young top English player, not like they have quality up front, with the new money, wages and EL football and still in London they'd be a good option for him to get established in the prem

raiden said:
Domingos Quina is apparently joining West Ham according to a report in daily mail and they also sighed a young player from Valencia. Their was itk saying Marcus Edwards has been offered big money by Chelsea a couple days ago, but is their more of a worry that Marcus could go to West Ham.

Thought Quina was going Arsenal, more or less done. Would like him with us but if there is a bidding war we won't top anything. So we won't be an option. If he wants a pathway I'd go West Ham as they'd be very good players in his position at Arsenal, not so much West Ham

Cornpattbuck · Apr 23, 2016

Amazing how much Stewart seems to be playing for Liverpool at the mo. Didn't see that coming.

Bus-Conductor · Apr 24, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
If anything, I'm arguing with Poch by proxy. Everyone is saying isn't it great that Poch is playing the kids. But the hard truth is only one academy player is now a first team regular, Kane, and he'd proved himself pretty much before Poch got here, and even then it took three months of Adebayor being Adebayor and Soldado having his boots on back to front every week for Kane to get his chance last season.

Every other first team regular has been purchased.

Just to follow up on this point, and that also made by @beats1. Has anyone got any idea which clubs/managers have given their own clubs academy products the most debut EPL minutes this season.

I would guess ManU, ManC, Chelsea, Liverpool, West Ham maybe Southampton have all given more EPL minutes to their own academy players who had previously not had any than Pochettino.

THFCSPURS19 · Apr 24, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
I would guess ManU, ManC, Chelsea, Liverpool, West Ham maybe Southampton have all given more EPL minutes to their own academy players who had previously not had any than Pochettino.

Which (new) academy products do you think should have got significantly more PL minutes?

EQP · Apr 24, 2016

Blake Griffin said:

Wow. I really like Tom Carroll but i think its fair to say Winks will probably take his spot and challenge Mason for a spot.

steve · Apr 24, 2016

SlumDilla said:
Wow. I really like Tom Carroll but i think its fair to say Winks will probably take his spot and challenge Mason for a spot.

He reminds me of a young Michael Carrick, maybe a bit more mobile, certainly has a lot going for him and could be potentially brilliant. Always thought Mason would be better tried further forward, he needs a run without injuries though. The future is potentially very exciting with the existing squad plus Winks, Edwards, Onomah, CCV etc.

Bus-Conductor · Apr 24, 2016

THFCSPURS19 said:
Which (new) academy products do you think should have got significantly more PL minutes?

Well, KWP, Winks, might not have merited significant minutes, but some would have been nice. Pritchard (ignoring the 7 minutes he'd got in the last game under Sherwood) should have got significantly more than his "none" and Onomah should have got more.

Even in the cups (definitely) and Europa league (if we weren't going to take it seriously once we got to R16) we could have given debuts or varying degrees of more time to those above and others like CCV & Harrison.

My point is, again, Poch is getting a lot of kudos for "giving youth a chance". But very little of it is our - highly regarded - youth. And it was the same last year, which is why we lost Veljkovic, who could have been an excellent back up for Dier/Alderweireld this season and beyond if he'd been given the deserved chance last season after playing well in pre-season.

I don't know what the future will bring, but I hope it brings more chances than our own academy players got this season, even if it's in cup games.

Otherwise we can hardly moan if players like Edwards start looking elsewhere and thinking, actually, I might stand more chance of promotion at another club.

What Emenalo said was a bit disingenuous but not totally without foundation.

beats1 · Apr 24, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
Just to follow up on this point, and that also made by @beats1. Has anyone got any idea which clubs/managers have given their own clubs academy products the most debut EPL minutes this season.

I would guess ManU, ManC, Chelsea, Liverpool, West Ham maybe Southampton have all given more EPL minutes to their own academy players who had previously not had any than Pochettino.

TBH the southampton academy isn't that impressive imo or hasnt been since most of the guys left, going to fulham and another 2 getting sacked

I would think Man Utd top the list and Chelsea wouldn't be that high but over the next 3 seasons imo that will change, it seemed Kane would get a chance next season but that seems to gone out of the window now that he has done his cruciate ligaments.

Fuck might as well check

Chelsea
640mins to RLC, 380mins to Traore and 20mins to Salter. Total 1040mins

Man City
900mins to Iheanacho, 360mins to some other players and if you are being kind you can add another 90-180 for two new u21 players. Total 1260mins

Arsenal
940mins to Iwobi, 60mins to Kamara, 30mins to jeff. If you're being kind you could add another 100mins for brought players who are in the academy this season.

Man Utd
This season they have given 1000mins to Rashford, 800mins to Borthwick-Jackson, 400mins to Fosu-Mensah, 400mins to McNair, 370mins to Perriera and 300mins to Love, Riley and Wilson. So in total 3270mins to academy/u21 players.

Tottenham
470mins to Onomah and 20mins to Winks.

Liverpool
410mins to Randall, 340mins to Brannagan, 210mins to Chirivella, 200mins to Rossiter, 190mins to Ojo and 150mins to the rest. Total 1500mins. (Not including Ibe he was out on loan to a championship club and then joined the first team no longer a u21 player. Though he has been relegated recently)

Southampton
1570 mins to Targett and 30mins to Reed

Now I will do West Ham since you said
490mins to Oxford, 330mins to other players. Total 820mins

Now its worth noting this list doesn't include Bentaleb as I applied the same logic as with Ibe and Bellerin, both young but are first team players and trying to break the barrier.

Also doesn't include Mason, Carroll and Pritchard but they are over 21 and no longer eligible

THFCSPURS19 said:
Which (new) academy products do you think should have got significantly more PL minutes?

Not PL minutes but Harrison imo would be a better option at striker than our attacking midfielders up front, not to mention against the lesser teams and Oduwa imo would have been better than Onomah out wide however he has gone from a good preseason to rock bottom after two poor loans

spurs9 · Apr 24, 2016

beats1 said:
TBH the southampton academy isn't that impressive imo or hasnt been since most of the guys left, going to fulham and another 2 getting sacked

I would think Man Utd top the list and Chelsea wouldn't be that high but over the next 3 seasons imo that will change, it seemed Kane would get a chance next season but that seems to gone out of the window now that he has done his cruciate ligaments.

Fuck might as well check

Chelsea
640mins to RLC, 380mins to Traore and 20mins to Salter. Total 1040mins

Man City
900mins to Iheanacho, 360mins to some other players and if you are being kind you can add another 90-180 for two new u21 players. Total 1260mins

Arsenal
940mins to Iwobi, 60mins to Kamara, 30mins to jeff. If you're being kind you could add another 100mins for brought players who are in the academy this season.

Man Utd
This season they have given 1000mins to Rashford, 800mins to Borthwick-Jackson, 400mins to Fosu-Mensah, 400mins to McNair, 370mins to Perriera and 300mins to Love, Riley and Wilson. So in total 3270mins to academy/u21 players.

Tottenham
470mins to Onomah and 20mins to Winks.

Liverpool
410mins to Randall, 340mins to Brannagan, 210mins to Chirivella, 200mins to Rossiter, 190mins to Ojo and 150mins to the rest. Total 1500mins. (Not including Ibe he was out on loan to a championship club and then joined the first team no longer a u21 player. Though he has been relegated recently)

Southampton
1570 mins to Targett and 30mins to Reed

Now I will do West Ham since you said
490mins to Oxford, 330mins to other players. Total 820mins

Now its worth noting this list doesn't include Bentaleb as I applied the same logic as with Ibe and Bellerin, both young but are first team players and trying to break the barrier.

Also doesn't include Mason, Carroll and Pritchard but they are over 21 and no longer eligible

Not PL minutes but Harrison imo would be a better option at striker than our attacking midfielders up front, not to mention against the lesser teams and Oduwa imo would have been better than Onomah out wide however he has gone from a good preseason to rock bottom after two poor loans

BC said EPL mins to players from their own academy that previously hadn't had any. Your stats are all comps and several of those players have previously players in other seasons (RLC & Perriera for example) and some (Iheanacho) were signed at 18.

For EPL only:
Spurs - 31
Man City - 23
Chelsea - 255
Man Utd - 1441
Liverpool - 242
West Ham - 207
Southampton - 0

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