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Everlasting Seconds said:
OK, in which case we shouldn't get any striker at all. IF we don't need a GOOD striker, then it's not logical that we would need an inferior striker more, hence we shouldn't spend any money on any striker and spend all the money on a new player for the AM3.
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That would not bother me at all, but that is not what I said. Having a clear, established, proven, one of the best strikers in the league already in a team that predominantly plays a one striker system and that system requires a certain type of striker (a remit the striker we have fills perfectly) says to me that we should be finding a striker to fulfil the type of remit that Batshuayi fulfilled last year whilst developing at Marseille as back up to Gignac, and using the funds more wisely on an area of the pitch that does have clear deficiencies.
 
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I don't think 30m is actually crazy money for Batshuayi if he's going to start games for a team that will provide him the ammo every week. At 22yo I think he already has proved he has basics (ability/mentality/product), has had good progressive development and his potential to keep developing makes that 30m perfectly acceptable.

But he would not be a starter for us. We already have a player who has just won the golden boot at a similar age, offers goals, pressing and fulcrum play. We are not desperate or rich enough (and to be fair, with FFP, few are) to pay £30m for a player who will be second choice for nearly every important game that Kane is fit for.

Our biggest weakness is creating quality chances. I'd much rather we went and spunked some dough on someone like Draxler or Fekir, added a bit more wit to our attack and bought a cheaper back up option to Kane, either a young up and comer or even and oldy but goody. Because that's all that's needed for our striker situation.
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Second choice yes but we can't run Kane into the ground as we did last year, this is the reason we bought Wanyana so we don't have to play Dier in every game. If we aspire to improve then we need 2 players of relatively similar quality for every position. Last season we only had this at full back and LCB. We've now fixed this at DM. We need to fix this in most other positions but striker is the most acute need. It isn't solely about fatigue but also about the power of competition to lead to improvement.

I've never watched Bats so don't know if he is the guy but if he goes to Chelski then I'd be happy going for Bony who I suspect will be available for a knock down price and I think would be a good Kane rotation option with something to prove.
 
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That would not bother me at all, but that is not what I said. Having a clear, established, proven, one of the best strikers in the league already in a team that predominantly plays a one striker system and that system requires a certain type of striker (a remit the striker we have fills perfectly) says to me that we should be finding a striker to fulfil the type of remit that Batshuayi fulfilled last year whilst developing at Marseille as back up to Gignac, and using the funds more wisely on an area of the pitch that does have clear deficiencies.
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I just don't believe in buying somebody just for buying somebody. Our squad won't automatically become better simply because we can put "2" beside the number of strikers (and I know this is really what you are saying, too). There must be something more to a transfer. We already have abundant of makeshift options, and we don't need more from that category. Facing CL footie, we need players we truly believe in, or we need not spend the money.

am_yisrael_chai said:
Second choice yes but we can't run Kane into the ground as we did last year, this is the reason we bought Wanyana so we don't have to play Dier in every game. If we aspire to improve then we need 2 players of relatively similar quality for every position. Last season we only had this at full back and LCB. We've now fixed this at DM. We need to fix this in most other positions but striker is the most acute need. It isn't solely about fatigue but also about the power of competition to lead to improvement.

I've never watched Bats so don't know if he is the guy but if he goes to Chelski then I'd be happy going for Bony who I suspect will be available for a knock down price and I think would be a good Kane rotation option with something to prove.
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Not testing you, genuinely curious for more info, why would Bony be available for a cheap? I agree, if possible, that would be a great deal to pull off.
 
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I just don't believe in buying somebody just for buying somebody. Our squad won't automatically become better simply because we can put "2" beside the number of strikers (and I know this is really what you are saying, too). There must be something more to a transfer. We already have abundant of makeshift options, and we don't need more from that category. Facing CL footie, we need players we truly believe in, or we need not spend the money.

Not testing you, genuinely curious for more info, why would Bony be available for a cheap? I agree, if possible, that would be a great deal to pull off.
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I obviously don't know that he is but he hasn't done well there and I get the feeling Pep likes buying new toys and will go out and buy some money no object striker like PEA which will mean Bony de facto becomes available.
 
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I suppose it's possible Chelsea didn't outbid us on wages but would meet Marseille's price, the player is hardly likely to go against his club's preference if that preference is Chelsea even if he had fancied us earlier.
 
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am_yisrael_chai said:
I obviously don't know that he is but he hasn't done well there and I get the feeling Pep likes buying new toys and will go out and buy some money no object striker like PEA which will mean Bony de facto becomes available.
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Ah, I see. Still interesting thought. My problem with both Janssen and Sanabria is that I don't think neither is ready to hit the ground running, which in effect means that we would be in the same situation as last season also next season. Bony on a cheap could address that, he knows the league.
 
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Ah, I see. Still interesting thought. My problem with both Janssen and Sanabria is that I don't think neither is ready to hit the ground running, which in effect means that we would be in the same situation as last season also next season. Bony on a cheap could address that, he knows the league.
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Knows the league and crucially has done well in a team that dominates possession while at Swansea. On the down side he hasn't shown at City that he can do it when not playing regularly but I think Poch could work with him.
 
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I would never want to use Chelsea as a benchmark for anything. Whether it be football, ethics or how to behave in general.
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What if you have aspirations to be the chaviest, scummiest, most moral-less wanker on the face of the planet? They sound like a good blueprint for that...
 
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Everlasting Seconds said:
Isn't it even more strange though, if Chelsea didn't offer substantially higher salary?
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Look, Chelsea are always going to be a bigger draw. We're like Liam Hemsworth, perfectly attractive and a movie star, but they are Chris Hemsworth, you know, just a bit better looking and more successful.
 
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am_yisrael_chai said:
Second choice yes but we can't run Kane into the ground as we did last year, this is the reason we bought Wanyana so we don't have to play Dier in every game. If we aspire to improve then we need 2 players of relatively similar quality for every position. Last season we only had this at full back and LCB. We've now fixed this at DM. We need to fix this in most other positions but striker is the most acute need. It isn't solely about fatigue but also about the power of competition to lead to improvement.

I've never watched Bats so don't know if he is the guy but if he goes to Chelski then I'd be happy going for Bony who I suspect will be available for a knock down price and I think would be a good Kane rotation option with something to prove.
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Strikers thrive on being run into the ground, like no other position on the pitch, strikers don't fatigue like other positions because they get that constant endorphin/adrenalin fix of scoring - it's a powerful drug. When was Henry, RVN, Shearer, Ibra, Shevchenko, Tevez, Benzima, (to name a few high profile examples of a multitude of the species) etc etc ever rested for anything other than meaningless domestic cup games ?

No team has 2 players of similar quality for every position, not even close, not Real, not Bayern and clearly none of the EPL big boys - that's a complete fallacy. Wimmer is not in Vertinghen's class, he was an adequate cover.
 
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Isn't it even more strange though, if Chelsea didn't offer substantially higher salary?
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I don't know what happened mate. All I know is he was happy to come, Marseille were happy to sell, and MP wanted him. I just don't believe we were ever going to get close to the asking price, and when Chelsea came in he then had another viable option..
 
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I just don't believe in buying somebody just for buying somebody. Our squad won't automatically become better simply because we can put "2" beside the number of strikers (and I know this is really what you are saying, too). There must be something more to a transfer
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I don't actually get what you are saying here ? My point is that Batshuayi would be ticking that "2" box, but at a ludicrously high price. We can tick that box cheaper and buy a "1" for a more need worthy place on the pitch.
 
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Look, Chelsea are always going to be a bigger draw. We're like Liam Hemsworth, perfectly attractive and a movie star, but they are Chris Hemsworth, you know, just a bit better looking and more successful.
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Look, I think somebody messed up. That's what I think. Now, let's go spend a smaller sum of millions on an even more unpolished alternative who will spend all next season getting used to PL and Pochettino's system effectively leaving us with Son as striker alternative for one more season. But, hey, then we got more value for money, right?
 
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I don't know what happened mate. All I know is he was happy to come, Marseille were happy to sell, and MP wanted him. I just don't believe we were ever going to get close to the asking price, and when Chelsea came in he then had another viable option..
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With no Champs League:banghead: I would love it if they finish below fourth next year. Aithough I am not bothered he is not joining the Poch Revolution. I just hate players turning us down for a lessor team:bigtears:
 
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