Stoke Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Ironskullll · Sep 10, 2016

muppetman said:
Anyone else think that Wanyama should probably have seen a second yellow when he blatantly obstructed one of their players? Good to see Poch remove him as he saw the danger.

That type of foul often puzzles me, not just today's "foul" that you refer to. A player pushes the ball past his opponent and then just runs into him, or brushes him on the way past and goes down. What's the defender supposed to do, vanish? I do appreciate that it's nuanced in that the defenders sometime lean just a little into the path of the attacker so as to make contact, but Wanyama didn't seem to me to move his feet or his body into the player's path. He certainly didn't step across and into him. So difficult to call though and with the foul being given, getting him off was right.

jonathanhotspur · Sep 10, 2016

thinktank said:
Poch...if your not going to bring winks on in a game like this, why have him on the bench at all?????

I get the impression that his presence on the bench means very little at the moment, @thinktank . Not saying I agree or disagree with that because I have not seen the kid kick a ball.

Mark_147 · Sep 10, 2016

piedpiper said:
Anyone know what's happened to Kevin Wimmer. His not made the bench for any of our games. Has he done a Bentaleb. Havent seen any stories about an injury.

Yes it is strange considering he named Wimmer in the UCL squad and he left out CCV.

mpickard2087 · Sep 10, 2016

Ironskullll said:
That type of foul often puzzles me, not just today's "foul" that you refer to. A player pushes the ball past his opponent and then just runs into him, or brushes him on the way past and goes down. What's the defender supposed to do, vanish? I do appreciate that it's nuanced in that the defenders sometime lean just a little into the path of the attacker so as to make contact, but Wanyama didn't seem to me to move his feet or his body into the player's path. He certainly didn't step across and into him. So difficult to call though and with the foul being given, getting him off was right.

One of the replay angles at the time did I think suggest that, whilst not stepping across him, he did lean in that direction and half go at him. Probably wasn't so blatant it deserved another yellow, but he was definitely on his final warning and had to be hooked for that if nothing else, before we even talk about his general play...

THFCSPURS19 · Sep 10, 2016

Mark_147 said:
Yes it is strange considering he named Wimmer in the UCL squad and he left out CCV.

CCV doesn't need to be named in the List A squad I think...?

muppetman · Sep 10, 2016

Ironskullll said:
That type of foul often puzzles me, not just today's "foul" that you refer to. A player pushes the ball past his opponent and then just runs into him, or brushes him on the way past and goes down. What's the defender supposed to do, vanish? I do appreciate that it's nuanced in that the defenders sometime lean just a little into the path of the attacker so as to make contact, but Wanyama didn't seem to me to move his feet or his body into the player's path. He certainly didn't step across and into him. So difficult to call though and with the foul being given, getting him off was right.

It felt pretty blatant whilst I watched it. However, players obstruct and block others multiple times a game to let the ball run out of play which I also think should be a foul so what do I know.

LexingtonSpurs · Sep 10, 2016

Mark_147 said:
Yes it is strange considering he named Wimmer in the UCL squad and he left out CCV.

CCV does not need to be named as he is U21

LexingtonSpurs · Sep 10, 2016

muppetman said:
It felt pretty blatant whilst I watched it. However, players obstruct and block others multiple times a game to let the ball run out of play which I also think should be a foul so what do I know.

I think the distinction is that when a player blocks another on a ball going out - the defensive player is in position to make a play on the ball himself. When the defender moves into the path of a on-rushing attacker - the defender is obviously not in position to play the ball themselves.

UpTownSpur · Sep 10, 2016

It should have been a second booking, but the ref knew that if he'd have given it and sent him off, then the MOTD pundits would have highlighted what a truly atrocious booking his first one was, when it wasn't even a foul.

Sweetsman · Sep 10, 2016

yankspurs said:
We're not scoring 2 goals with Dier and Wanyama playing. We can't string along anything resembling a coherent attack with those 2 starting together. Awful, redundant partnership that offers sweet fuck all and greatly detracts from our play.

One of the great things about today's result is that you look like an utter pillock. Every bloody match you're on here with your negative outpourings right from the start. There's a reason that Pochettino manages Spurs and you're just keyboard klutz: talent.

Sweetsman · Sep 10, 2016

jonathanhotspur said:
I get the impression that his presence on the bench means very little at the moment, @thinktank . Not saying I agree or disagree with that because I have not seen the kid kick a ball.

It gets him used to the atmosphere, so that when he does come on he won't be overawed.

Sweetsman · Sep 10, 2016

mpickard2087 said:
One of the replay angles at the time did I think suggest that, whilst not stepping across him, he did lean in that direction and half go at him. Probably wasn't so blatant it deserved another yellow, but he was definitely on his final warning and had to be hooked for that if nothing else, before we even talk about his general play...

People seem very eager to criticise Wanyama, but then that's Spurs fans for you.

jonathanhotspur · Sep 10, 2016

Sweetsman said:
It gets him used to the atmosphere, so that when he does come on he won't be overawed.

Being on the bench gets him used to the atmosphere?

etchedchaos · Sep 10, 2016

Stoke basically burnt themselves out trying to press us like crazy in the first 15 minutes. I think we're going to see alot of sides trying to press like us and soon realising that if you've not done the fitness work then you're gonna suffer late in the game if you attempt our pressing.

tototoner · Sep 11, 2016

On MOTD now

yankspurs · Sep 11, 2016

Sweetsman said:
One of the great things about today's result is that you look like an utter pillock. Every bloody match you're on here with your negative outpourings right from the start. There's a reason that Pochettino manages Spurs and you're just keyboard klutz: talent.

One of the greatest things about your post: I was right. Dier and Wanyama are an incredibly poor partnership and we did not score 2 with them as a partnership. Nice try though. Next one that wants to try and fail to call me out...

DiamondLites · Sep 11, 2016

I don't think anyone is criticising Wanyama, more the partnership of him and Dier being incredibly turgid

Dembele is back now so it's a moot point

StartingPrice · Sep 11, 2016

muppetman said:
Anyone else think that Wanyama should probably have seen a second yellow when he blatantly obstructed one of their players? Good to see Poch remove him as he saw the danger.

I find it interesting that you should mention it in isolation. The interviewer on MOTD asked Mark Hughes about them not getting decisions obviously against Manchester Citeh and again today - what?

Stoke either benefited from incorrect decisions today, or where on the end of correct ones. Yet still they managed to whip up a fury among their fans and manager from a perceived sense of injustice and still the media won't just tell them to shut up because they actually benefited and the decisions they are moaning about were correct.

Son was fouled - but the ref wouldn't even think about a penalty. The accusation was that he went down a bit easy. Whether he did or not the Stoke player kicked him and didn't kick the ball. Still, rather than focusing on their good fortune that the ref wouldn't even consider it, they booed Son.

Wanyama won the ball when he was carded.

Astronautovich wasn't fouled - he did dive.

Officials are clamping down on the Hughes shenanigans - and the managers have been told this will happen.

Dele didn't dive, he was pushed in the back - and the Stoke player's boot was high on Kane (was it?) in the build up.

Wanyama, as others have argued, didn't actually move. It is the type of thing that is contentious and the player who wins the free-kick is usually said to have bought it a bit. A free-kick was just about acceptable - but not every free-kick needs a yellow. And IMHO that wasn't one.

Strangely enough, the Goons got a penalty in injury time today which allowed them to win - and even Ian Wright (actually a pretty honest pundit) says it was soft. Ho hum.

Sweetsman · Sep 11, 2016

jonathanhotspur said:
Being on the bench gets him used to the atmosphere?

Matchday atmosphere: what are you having trouble understanding? It happens all the time with young players.

Sweetsman · Sep 11, 2016

yankspurs said:
One of the greatest things about your post: I was right. Dier and Wanyama are an incredibly poor partnership and we did not score 2 with them as a partnership. Nice try though. Next one that wants to try and fail to call me out...

I hope you have a shed full of bales, because you're going to spend a lot of time clutching at straws.

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