bomberH
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Look where my finger is pointing. This alone sums up why no one should ever take anything a West Brom fan says seriously.
(Ps- It's definitely my finger!)
What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18
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Look where my finger is pointing. This alone sums up why no one should ever take anything a West Brom fan says seriously.
(Ps- It's definitely my finger!)
Tucker
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That's what they deserve for being a sell out oil club.
tony_parkes
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Look where my finger is pointing. This alone sums up why no one should ever take anything a West Brom fan says seriously.
(Ps- It's definitely my finger!)
Aaah good old Gary Smegson, always conjures up thoughts of wotsits, quavers, cheese puffs, cheese curls and chester cheato's.
Hazardousman
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And cheesy bellends?
davidmatzdorf
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Not at all. Chadli is exactly what they needed: a player who has the knack of scoring goals. West Brom have put together a workmanlike mid-table Premiership side, but it has lacked anyone who can score a goal when perhaps it isn't altogether straightforward to score a goal. Chadli has a tendency to drift out of play for 20 minutes at a time, but West Brom have players who can cover for that - and then he'll pop up in the right place with a shot on target. West Brom have plenty of competent players, but last season they couldn't score enough goals. Chadli scores goals.
matthew.absurdum
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Just have a check, their are still a lot their starting XI last match will need to play for their national teams (Rondon, Chadli, MC clean, Flecther, nyom, Jonny Evans, Mcauley )
Trix
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Yep he will soon learn his teams won't get the time to play out that they had in Spain or Germany.
Basil Brush
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The best point you mentioned was he is perfect for a mid table team.
I really liked Nacer and think he will have a decent career but we had outgrown him.
I hope that doesnt sound arrogant.
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I wish I had called myself Basil Brush when I joined SC.
Basil Brush
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If you want you can be "Basil Brush Junior".
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Shadydan
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That's a bit of a fallacy because more teams press high up the pitch in Germany and Spain then in England, he just doesn't have the players to play the football he wants yet. Still think he'll struggle to replicate the football he wants to play over here though, don't think City will be as dominant as he wants them to be as there's too many good teams here and a lot more pressured games over here as well.
Colonel_Klinck
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Nice post from RAWK's Spurs thread. Last paragraph
Quote from: jooneyisdagloomy on Yesterday at 01:31:29 AM
That's definitely a good point, but I think getting a goal or two after pressing for 30 minutes might give them the chance to then rest and press when they have to, which could lead to counters. I do think there are some teams that can cause Man City a few problems. With Spurs, the only issue I see is that they sacrifice top of the line attacking talent for athleticism a bit. Dele Alli, Son and Dembele are all excellent ball players, and Kane is a superb all-round player, but I don't see them having the same kind of ability to change the game in an instant the way Coutinho, Mane, Sturridge or Firmino do for us. At least on a consistent basis. They're incredibly effective though and should blow past most of the league's cannon fodder.
There's probably something to that, but it's also easy to forget that attacking flair only exists within the system it's placed and Klopp allows for much more individual spontaneity than Pochettino. Part of the reason Spurs are so defensively sound is that everyone on the squad ruthlessly works together and stays in their positions consistently - there's not room for much individual flair in that system. Here's a map of the average position for every Spurs player from yesterday's City match - and even against a Guardiola side that loves to pull you around and out of position, you can see just how structured Spurs were and how well they kept shape. It's nearly picture perfect.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtxZ4mCWcAA6koa.jpg
And I think at the heart of that is the fact that while both Klopp and Pochettino have their teams press high, the very basic ideals are completely different. Klopp wants gung-ho excitement, he wants his teams to attack with verve, to score goals and never stop going forward. Pochettino in his soul is more like his countryman and former international teammate Simeone, he absolutely detests conceding goals and while his team presses high it's as much for defensive purposes as offensive. Klopp would never strap his attackers into the irons of positioning and structure that Pochettino demands, and Pochettino would never dream of allowing the gaps that Klopp is ok with conceding. They are both brilliant managers who have built teams in their image in a hurry in the Premier League, but they seem diametrically opposed in their basic goals in terms of setting up their teams.
Final note, and I do find it odd that people don't talk about him more as one of the truly elite players in the world - I'm not sure if Toby Alderweireld isn't the best player in the entire Premier League. His first season at Southampton they shipped 13 less goals than the year before and had the best defense in the league. The he went to Spurs and they shipped 18 less goals than the year before and again had the best defense in the league. This season Spurs are on pace to concede fewer than 20 goals and have yet to concede from open play. He never commits fouls (8 all of last season, which is ludicrous statistic) and he's Pochettino's deputy on the pitch - a loud vocal presence organizing everyone and keeping the defensive shape in order. Quite simply, if you have Alderweireld, you likely have an elite defense. His impact is off the charts.
Quote from: jooneyisdagloomy on Yesterday at 01:31:29 AM
That's definitely a good point, but I think getting a goal or two after pressing for 30 minutes might give them the chance to then rest and press when they have to, which could lead to counters. I do think there are some teams that can cause Man City a few problems. With Spurs, the only issue I see is that they sacrifice top of the line attacking talent for athleticism a bit. Dele Alli, Son and Dembele are all excellent ball players, and Kane is a superb all-round player, but I don't see them having the same kind of ability to change the game in an instant the way Coutinho, Mane, Sturridge or Firmino do for us. At least on a consistent basis. They're incredibly effective though and should blow past most of the league's cannon fodder.
There's probably something to that, but it's also easy to forget that attacking flair only exists within the system it's placed and Klopp allows for much more individual spontaneity than Pochettino. Part of the reason Spurs are so defensively sound is that everyone on the squad ruthlessly works together and stays in their positions consistently - there's not room for much individual flair in that system. Here's a map of the average position for every Spurs player from yesterday's City match - and even against a Guardiola side that loves to pull you around and out of position, you can see just how structured Spurs were and how well they kept shape. It's nearly picture perfect.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtxZ4mCWcAA6koa.jpg
And I think at the heart of that is the fact that while both Klopp and Pochettino have their teams press high, the very basic ideals are completely different. Klopp wants gung-ho excitement, he wants his teams to attack with verve, to score goals and never stop going forward. Pochettino in his soul is more like his countryman and former international teammate Simeone, he absolutely detests conceding goals and while his team presses high it's as much for defensive purposes as offensive. Klopp would never strap his attackers into the irons of positioning and structure that Pochettino demands, and Pochettino would never dream of allowing the gaps that Klopp is ok with conceding. They are both brilliant managers who have built teams in their image in a hurry in the Premier League, but they seem diametrically opposed in their basic goals in terms of setting up their teams.
Final note, and I do find it odd that people don't talk about him more as one of the truly elite players in the world - I'm not sure if Toby Alderweireld isn't the best player in the entire Premier League. His first season at Southampton they shipped 13 less goals than the year before and had the best defense in the league. The he went to Spurs and they shipped 18 less goals than the year before and again had the best defense in the league. This season Spurs are on pace to concede fewer than 20 goals and have yet to concede from open play. He never commits fouls (8 all of last season, which is ludicrous statistic) and he's Pochettino's deputy on the pitch - a loud vocal presence organizing everyone and keeping the defensive shape in order. Quite simply, if you have Alderweireld, you likely have an elite defense. His impact is off the charts.
hugrr
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I believe that's called a dab
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spursfan77
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Not really. The majority of the premier league goalies know when to kick it long or pass it short or think for themselves rather than following the manager's instructions when it doesn't suit the situation.
Anyway, I'd be interested to know what Man City thought about Lloris giving them the ball unnecessarily. I bet they were quite pleased. It's strange he does that as he seems composed in all other aspects of his game.
TottenhamMattSpur
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Nice post from RAWK's Spurs thread. Last paragraph
Quote from: jooneyisdagloomy on Yesterday at 01:31:29 AM
That's definitely a good point, but I think getting a goal or two after pressing for 30 minutes might give them the chance to then rest and press when they have to, which could lead to counters. I do think there are some teams that can cause Man City a few problems. With Spurs, the only issue I see is that they sacrifice top of the line attacking talent for athleticism a bit. Dele Alli, Son and Dembele are all excellent ball players, and Kane is a superb all-round player, but I don't see them having the same kind of ability to change the game in an instant the way Coutinho, Mane, Sturridge or Firmino do for us. At least on a consistent basis. They're incredibly effective though and should blow past most of the league's cannon fodder.
There's probably something to that, but it's also easy to forget that attacking flair only exists within the system it's placed and Klopp allows for much more individual spontaneity than Pochettino. Part of the reason Spurs are so defensively sound is that everyone on the squad ruthlessly works together and stays in their positions consistently - there's not room for much individual flair in that system. Here's a map of the average position for every Spurs player from yesterday's City match - and even against a Guardiola side that loves to pull you around and out of position, you can see just how structured Spurs were and how well they kept shape. It's nearly picture perfect.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtxZ4mCWcAA6koa.jpg
And I think at the heart of that is the fact that while both Klopp and Pochettino have their teams press high, the very basic ideals are completely different. Klopp wants gung-ho excitement, he wants his teams to attack with verve, to score goals and never stop going forward. Pochettino in his soul is more like his countryman and former international teammate Simeone, he absolutely detests conceding goals and while his team presses high it's as much for defensive purposes as offensive. Klopp would never strap his attackers into the irons of positioning and structure that Pochettino demands, and Pochettino would never dream of allowing the gaps that Klopp is ok with conceding. They are both brilliant managers who have built teams in their image in a hurry in the Premier League, but they seem diametrically opposed in their basic goals in terms of setting up their teams.
Final note, and I do find it odd that people don't talk about him more as one of the truly elite players in the world - I'm not sure if Toby Alderweireld isn't the best player in the entire Premier League. His first season at Southampton they shipped 13 less goals than the year before and had the best defense in the league. The he went to Spurs and they shipped 18 less goals than the year before and again had the best defense in the league. This season Spurs are on pace to concede fewer than 20 goals and have yet to concede from open play. He never commits fouls (8 all of last season, which is ludicrous statistic) and he's Pochettino's deputy on the pitch - a loud vocal presence organizing everyone and keeping the defensive shape in order. Quite simply, if you have Alderweireld, you likely have an elite defense. His impact is off the charts.
I still can't believe we stole Toby for the equavalent of a packet of crisps. Less than one quarter of a John Stones.
One third of a David Luiz.
And whereas we usually buy potential, he was the ready made product.
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It looks like he's performing an exorcism.
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