Player Watch: Dele Alli

Trix said:

This is not the first time we have had this duscussion regarding the way you argue your points. Imo you do this a lot. You twist what people post, and I'm sure you over complicate your rebuttles on purpose in order to make yourself sound smarter than the poster/s you are disagreeing with.

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Bus-Conductor said:

I was arguing my point based on what was said by you and others. I've argued a very simple basic point, that Alli has talent but also has flaws in his decision making that I believe can be coached without ruining his talent. I have quoted you, DM and others who have basically argued this with me. If you aren't arguing that why not just say "yeh, I agree BC". Instead you and others argued this, then started getting pissy and personal and twisting what I said into "Last thing we should be doing is trying to coach his natural instinct out of him" (you) - did I say anywhere that we should coach the natural instinct out of him Trix ? No I didn't, so you twisted my words.

Then there was the suggestion "BC doesn't rate Alli" (not you - dudu) and "You can't coach his flaws without ruining his talent" (again not you - Glospurs to name one) so it's hardly suprising if I argue with those precepts is it ?

You read DM's thesis comparing Alli with Charlie Parker and Robin Williams (and Tourettes) right ? And you are accusing me of making over complicated rebuttals to make myself sound smarter ? And Glospurs long winded diatribe about what a **** I am and how it's impossible to blunt his fuck ups without killing his brilliance, and I'm the one with the problem arguing my points ?

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Bulletspur said:

Remember up to that point, Ali was having a stinker of a game.

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glospur said:

Hahahahahahahahaha tell me where I said that you can't coach his flaws without 'ruining' his talent. Please, I would fucking love to see it. Although yes, I do think that trying to change the way he makes his decisions in an effort to get him to stop making poor ones will blunt his brilliance, because both of them come from instinct. The only way to coach him out of those bad decisions at his age is to blunt his tendency to play on instinct and to coach him to play to some preconceived idea of what decisions he should be making in any given scenario, and that's generally what his former coaches have said about him as well. But just because I think that it doesn't mean that I think he shouldn't be coached and just told to run around a bit.

And I never called you a **** or even implied it. Fuck, I've said on many times that i think you're an excellent poster and I particularly agree with you on a lot of things, like Eriksen, for example, but you do yourself a massive disservice with the straw man or disingenuous or hyperbolic arguments you often make.

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allpaths said:

We r just an old Gibbsey away from turning this into the new lamela thread.

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For the love of Spurs said:

Ole Gibbsey was he on this forum then as well as all the other ones?

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Bus-Conductor said:

You agree that you can't reduce the mistakes and poor decisions without dulling the "brilliance" ? Is that what you are saying ?

If you are then I disagree with that.

And I hope our coaches are cleverly training him to get better at his decision making, please show me where I have said once that I don't believe they are ? You see this is the hypocrisy of this discussion, I've never said Alli doesn't have talent (yet you feel the need to compare him to Hazard to make a point he does) and I've never said that I don't think the coaches are/will work with him, on the contrary, all I've argued is that I believe they can without blunting his talent.

That's it.

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allpaths said:

We r just an old Gibbsey away from turning this into the new lamela thread.

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Bus-Conductor said:

So presumably Dudu, you agree with this statement then:

"My central argument was about how his brilliance and his poor decisions are linked by instinct and that one can't be dulled without affecting the other"

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jonathanhotspur said:

Why Tottenham’s Dele Alli is the physical embodiment of the “shadow striker”

Alli is rarely involved on the ball, or at least far less than the rest of Spurs’ midfielders. His off the ball movement and intelligence when out of possession is arguably his greatest quality, and also the most impressive given his very limited top-level experience. To use Eriksen as an example once again, as the side’s primary playmaker, he receives plenty of the ball and shoulders the burden of creating chances as we’ve seen. Alli’s job could not be more dissimilar.

Alli’s greatest impact comes from what he does off the ball – the reason his goal and assist tallies are so outstanding stems from the fact that he roams the final third, lurking in the shadows and spaces created by his intelligent runs, waiting to receive the ball in the most devastating and dangerous position possible. That’s when he strikes.

Whether it’s a ruthless finish or a clinical final ball, Alli’s on the ball actions are almost always decisive. Ask Watford.

His display against the Hornets is coincidentally the most recent and most perfect example of Alli’s unique ability. His knack of being able to impact a game despite spending relatively little time on the ball was on show for all to see and marvel at. He completed just 10 passes in the entire game before being taken off in the 61st minute. 10.

Read more at http://www.squawka.com/news/why-tot...the-shadow-striker/867851#UB3g3zhG8YGET7jS.99

I haven't copied and pasted the whole article, but this guy makes some fair points. Very even-handed. Obviously uses @Bus-Conductor for his source material, but still.

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jonathanhotspur said:

Why Tottenham’s Dele Alli is the physical embodiment of the “shadow striker”

Alli is rarely involved on the ball, or at least far less than the rest of Spurs’ midfielders. His off the ball movement and intelligence when out of possession is arguably his greatest quality, and also the most impressive given his very limited top-level experience. To use Eriksen as an example once again, as the side’s primary playmaker, he receives plenty of the ball and shoulders the burden of creating chances as we’ve seen. Alli’s job could not be more dissimilar.

Alli’s greatest impact comes from what he does off the ball – the reason his goal and assist tallies are so outstanding stems from the fact that he roams the final third, lurking in the shadows and spaces created by his intelligent runs, waiting to receive the ball in the most devastating and dangerous position possible. That’s when he strikes.

Whether it’s a ruthless finish or a clinical final ball, Alli’s on the ball actions are almost always decisive. Ask Watford.

His display against the Hornets is coincidentally the most recent and most perfect example of Alli’s unique ability. His knack of being able to impact a game despite spending relatively little time on the ball was on show for all to see and marvel at. He completed just 10 passes in the entire game before being taken off in the 61st minute. 10.

Read more at http://www.squawka.com/news/why-tot...the-shadow-striker/867851#UB3g3zhG8YGET7jS.99

I haven't copied and pasted the whole article, but this guy makes some fair points. Very even-handed. Obviously uses @Bus-Conductor for his source material, but still.

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