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Harry Winks - Leicester City
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faze_coys
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Never said he wasn't consistent or doesn't play well but his performances are overstated imo (happens a lot at our club with this type of player), which I reckon people might start to realise when he isn't in the team...
I would take a winks and dembele duo all day over wanyama and winks
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When you have three at the back, I'm not sure you need two defensive/conservative passers in central midfield.
Dembele's unique array of skills does make him a very important player for us, but his hesitancy in passing the ball forward can leave us slow to transition the ball from defence to attack. Thus, we are slow to find the likes of Alli and Eriksen when they've found space inbetween the lines.
Whereas, when someone like Winks is playing, we are far quicker in moving the ball forward, getting our attacking players on the ball at critical moments. Winks is also more likely to venture further up the pitch, something we can afford one of our central midfielders to do with Wanyama marshalling in front of the back 3/5.
Maybe a Dembele/Winks midfielder would be our most effective offensively, but Wanyama's defensive nous has been vital for us at times this season.
Dembele's unique array of skills does make him a very important player for us, but his hesitancy in passing the ball forward can leave us slow to transition the ball from defence to attack. Thus, we are slow to find the likes of Alli and Eriksen when they've found space inbetween the lines.
Whereas, when someone like Winks is playing, we are far quicker in moving the ball forward, getting our attacking players on the ball at critical moments. Winks is also more likely to venture further up the pitch, something we can afford one of our central midfielders to do with Wanyama marshalling in front of the back 3/5.
Maybe a Dembele/Winks midfielder would be our most effective offensively, but Wanyama's defensive nous has been vital for us at times this season.
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I hope Winks never accidentally misplaces a pass at 20 years of age its apparently a career killer
@bxstock 22h22 hours agoI hope Winks never accidentally misplaces a pass at 20 years of age its apparently a career killer
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And to add to that Wanyama has been a more effective offensive threat and honestly passes the ball forward more than Dembele.
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As did Dier last season alongside Dembele.
Mousa is the most naturally gifted player I've seen at Spurs, which makes his ineffectiveness going forward infuriating. He almost looks like he limits himself, or plays within his capabilities. With his insane power, poise and skill he should be a battering ram. Instead, he moves through two or three challengers before passing back or sideways.
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Theres no doubt Dembele is a unique player I've seen enough now to know he isn't going to affect the team going forward he isn't going to be the player to step up when we need another way he ain't going to be a direct assist and he ain't going to win a game with a winning goal.
What he does undoubtedly offer is a level of protection, security in a tight areas retention of possession turn over transition leading to dribbles which does open up spaces....stat wise though he is a conundrum.
I have seen a little bit more of Winks with he's cameo role and what is refreshing with Winks, on the ball he is forward thinking, finds good ares to receive the ball, he has a passing accuracy that is impressive, we tend to be more dynamic going forward at pace.
Winks Dembele, Winks Wanyama I'd love to see bit more.
What he does undoubtedly offer is a level of protection, security in a tight areas retention of possession turn over transition leading to dribbles which does open up spaces....stat wise though he is a conundrum.
I have seen a little bit more of Winks with he's cameo role and what is refreshing with Winks, on the ball he is forward thinking, finds good ares to receive the ball, he has a passing accuracy that is impressive, we tend to be more dynamic going forward at pace.
Winks Dembele, Winks Wanyama I'd love to see bit more.
faze_coys
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No he doesn't.
The only two stats that wanyama is superior to dembele in are interceptions and blocks, dembele is superior in tackles won, duels won, dispossession, all passing stats, less defensive errors, etc etc
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What about goals scored? Unless scoring goals doesn't fall under the "effective offensive" category.....
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Mousa Dembele is a god sent from the heavens. He can only grace us mere mortals with a fraction of his potential. Any more we could not even begin to fathom and would probably rip a hole in the space-time continuum.
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Why doesn't Poch tell Dembele that he'll be fined 1000 quid for every backwards pass. There you go, problem solved. This managing business is easy. 
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@faze_coys I really don't care what stats are telling you. Wanyama has been more forward thinking than Dembele. Passing stats? What accuracy? Dembele is at the top of the league there because he is so risk adverse. Wanyama played a searching ball to release Davies yesterday. He missed but he attempted. Dembele rarely if ever searches for that pass...period.
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It's odd but I actually kinda feel the Dembele / Wanyama combo works better when playing a back three then when we play 4-2-3-1.
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Thanks @SlumDilla for helping me out
@faze_coys I really don't care what stats are telling you. Wanyama has been more forward thinking than Dembele. Passing stats? What accuracy? Dembele is at the top of the league there because he is so risk adverse. Wanyama played a searching ball to release Davies yesterday. He missed but he attempted. Dembele rarely if ever searches for that pass...period.
People love to bring out the passing accuracy stats. Imo it's the most meaningless stat going. It tells you nothing about the player. If all they are doing is the odd tip and tap to players either side of them, then their passing accuracy is going to be huge! But it doesn't show whether those passes were any good for the team, or if they put the other player into trouble etc etc.
Utterly meaningless.
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I remember when he was always training with the first team during the AVB years. It's clear a lot of coaches over the years have seen he's got potential. Hopefully now he's getting proper chances under MoPo that potential can be realised. He looks like a properly good midfielder. I honestly think he will be pushing for a first team place if not next season then the one after.
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Are you being satirical? He already has a first team place. He's in the squad for nearly every match and starts about a third of them. He's been a fully-integrated member of the first team squad all season.
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No, you're just misunderstanding what I'm saying. You're definition of a first team player seems to be wildly different to mine. Currently I'd say he is a squad player. He doesn't start the majority of mataches, and only rotates in when the likes of Dembele or Eriksen need a rest.
I see him replacing Dembele in the line up over the next couple of season.
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Dembele would start in every other side in the Prem. To even consider not starting him in my opinion is crazy.
If I was a midfielder lining up against spurs, who would I rather face - Winks or Dembele? Winks all bloody day.
If I was a midfielder lining up against spurs, who would I rather face - Winks or Dembele? Winks all bloody day.
davidmatzdorf
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OK. I use "first team" the way the club does, to mean "member of the first team squad", as distinct from the youth squads. Winks has been an integrated full member of that group since pre-season.
You're using it to mean "first choice starting 11". I agree that he'll be one of those soon if he keeps developing as he has.
