What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

millsey said:

Yep. There's income is blowing my huge. Saw a journalist say this week, players don't get the bonus if you do t make champs league and you get Europa money so actually you only lose out on 20 million or so.

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Eh? I don't even know where to start!

Saoirse said:

In the short-medium term, they're fine. However, it's not a great starting point for trying to build a stadium, unless Uncle Roman is bankrolling the entire thing. The big risk for them would be the TV bubble bursting since they'd see some of the bigger revenue drops from that, would also likely lose European money as performances declined and wouldn't have any way out of it in terms of reducing wage spend quickly.

The thing to really watch for is Net Debt, since clubs with a lot of that will hit trouble if and when interest rates go up. In that regard, Manchester United (£464m) are probably the most vulnerable to changing economic circumstances. If they continue to fail to make the Champions League while spending massively on the likes of Pogba and Ibrhamiovic, that wage-to-turnover ratio is going to start looking a lot less pretty, the debt will likely grow further, and their owners aren't going to give them a bottomless pit of money. It's notable also that I believe a lot of that debt is likely held in the United States - we'd have likely seen an interest rate rise there already were it not for the instability caused by the antics of President Cheeto and it's still likely to increase significantly in years to come. That possibility, matched by the possibility of a recession if things go less well, is bad news for United who need to get their act together on the pitch and fast (likely explaining their panic-spend last summer).

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What's our net debt situation going to be when we finish the stadium?

Saoirse said:

Why the disagree on the chart mate? Pretty sure it's accurate unless I'm missing something really stupid here??

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iPhone and fingers innit

RichieS said:

What's our net debt situation going to be when we finish the stadium?

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The only people who'll roughly know that are the most senior figures at ENIC and the major banks helping finance the project. There's a lot of options available - for instance, the club could sell equity, or issue new equity and have ENIC buy nearly all of it (a stunt we pulled a few years back). If interests rates rise significantly, we could seek a larger forward payment on the naming rights contract to offset the debt. ENIC could even seek to sell the club soon after the move if all has gone smoothly and our value considerably rises as a result, which could be anything from massively beneficial on the financial side (if we got a sugar-daddy figure) or a flaming disaster if we get some wankers like the Glazers who mortgage us to the hilt. All we know is that the debt will be higher, but so will our annual revenue and thus ability to handle it - and that while any project like this is inherently risky there's few you'd trust more than Levy and ENIC to mitigate that.

StartingPrice said:

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/foru...=0t6821khqbogl4gbv2o2hapqs5&topic=314337.5520




They really just don't get it at all, do they. They spend half the time slagging us off for being arrogant - which presumably means daring to say we are quite good now and confident/excited about the future - and intersperse it with sincere sounding patronising arrogant muppetry like this.

Okay, Liverpool fans, let me explain this to you: You have finished below us in seven out of the last eight seasons. Yes, we know you won lots a while back, and do acknowledge this when you aren't being patronising cocks. But, you are aware with your constant references to us as being a small club that up until approximately 1993, we had won the same amount trophies as Arsenal and United. Yes, you can quibble about the value of those trophies (though I would point out that we had three European trophies to Arsenal's ZERO, so would you stop sucking their dicks...capisce), yes, Liverpool had a thoroughly exceptional trophy haul (thanks to one era of dominance since replicated by a club, Unitrd, who were pretty much in the same ball-park as us before they did it). Oh, and by the way, yes you had more league titles than us...but the FA Cup was far more prestigious back then...and we had won it more times than anyone, thank you. And, yes, you had four (five times, five times), European Cups, but we had three European trophies and astute observers considered the UEFA Cup, that we had won twice, as often being harder to win than the European Cup...to the point where it was a bit of a truism. And, yes, the United, Arsenal and yourselves continued to win things after this point whereas we, basically, fell off a cliff. But that is the whole point, we FELL OFF A FECKING CLIFF. Our Chairman saw fit to misuse our funds - and at the time we were the most affluent club in England - to the point were we had points deducted, with the threat of automatic relegation, and a huge (for the time) fine. It has been quite a struggle to get back from that - and, again, that is the point.

We have been in a huge slump for this reason (y'see, we always were considered to be one of the Big Five) at just the same time as our rivals for the top spots, our traditional rivals gained access to a huge amount of money via BPL/CL/TV money. We aren't being arrogant, we acknowledge that a gulf opened up and that most of our rivals, for these reasons have comfortably outstripped us for trophies now (though the Goons still have no luck in Europe ). But we are just aspiring (aspiring, that's all, nothing more) to get back up to that top echelon where we used to be. Wouldn't you do the same? Oh, wait, you do...despite never (NEVER...same as us) winning the Premier League, in its present incarnation, you persist every year, no matter your current reality or where you have finished, no matter how lowly, the season before, in demanding and believing you will have a title challenge!

And so back to present reality. I'm sure most Liverpool fans wouldn't understand why anyone would object to anything said in the quoted post...so let me explain: We have finished above you seven times in the last eight seasons. In that time, you have finished seventh twice, eighth twice and ninth twice. In the same time period, we have finished lower than fifth once...a sixth place finish. We have finished fifth three times, fourth twice, third once and second once. Now, that it is written starkly, can you see why it appears to us to be a bit arrogant that all you ever say is that we will be back to competing for sixth, mid-table, blah, blah, bloody blah! And next season, according to the post above, we might just finish fourth (if we are lucky) because Chelsea, who had no European football this season but will next (along with virtually no injuries), and will just inherently improve, Citeh, who we are just a better team than ATM, will improve, and Liverpool, who managed the mighty task of finishing...er...quite a few points behind us despite having no distraction from European football this season, will inherently just improve (and no doubt have the mythical title challenge). We won't improve...oh no...no chance...because we are just a small club and small clubs never have the temerity to improve, do they?!? Get over yourselves, FFS, you have a bit more money than us but have been no where near us in terms of overall performance on the pitch, as demonstrated by league finishing positions, etc., over the last eight seasons. Your defence is poor, and even assuming you have the money to improve it to the requisite level, I have seen no evidence that your messiah manager actually knows how to make a defence for English football. P.s. your main reason for not thinking United will improve is because you don't like them! Try using logic - they have won one trophy and may win another one, while you have had no European competition and still aren't assured of a place in the top four going into the last game of the season.

So, why should we imagine that Tottenham will improve? Because: We have an exceptional young group of players. Many of them are more than a year, more than two years off being at their peak. They are improving each season just by being a year older. They are improving each season for the previous season's experience. They are improving thanks to growing awareness, thanks to esprit de corps (team spirit), thanks to growing cohesion, thanks to solidifying habit. Our great young manager is learning as he goes. This season he was working on alternative formations and versatility of formation, and we benefited from that by the end of the season. We have suffered from injuries, unlike our title rivals. Next season, hopefully, we will have some seriously good players coming back from injury. Any of Janssen, Enkidu, (Sissoko... ) will surely be better for this season. We have highly rated young players coming through in Edwards, Onomah, KWP, and CCV - Poch has name-dropped all of them as likely to get more first team minutes next season. And that is before we have even considered buying anyone. Yes, we may lose Walker. Doubt we will lose anyone else (and we will get lots of re-invest able money- and whether he stays or goes, I believe we will be stronger next season

Going into the future we will have a top level training centre, the best (and second biggest) club stadium in England, a top and improving young manager, a brilliant young squad, and an excellent youth set-up (offering the hope that we will allow us to circumvent the fact that other teams at the top have more money than us). And, yes, it is all about money - that was why we were eclipsed for so long, and why the fight back has been so difficult. But with a bigger stadium (and gate receipts) and a better team we hope to have an increase, also, in sponsorship and commercial revenues - so, there really is not reason to believe we are just going to go back to mid-table (which was really a bit of an anomaly, anyway).

So, go ahead, dream away, fantasise away about your inevitable improvement (that you think should have no relation to financial standing or recent performance). Patronise if you must. But FFS stop telling us we are arrogant for aspiring to success, for saying we actually have a bloody good team now or that we are reasonably confident/excited by the future.

Your Sin Searly

SP

p.s. Could one of you explain why you are so contented to eat shite from the oil mafioso, formerly not big club, clubs but just can't bring yourselves to admit that a traditional big club, who has done everything the proper way, has actually been better than you for the best part of a decade? After all, you do pride yourselves on being proper honest knowledgeable footballing folk, don't you. Ta muchly.

[Apologies for long-ness of post to fellow SCers...Live Long and Prosper, it's the Tottenham way ].

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I don't normally read long posts. But this definitely was worth the time. Great great post sir.

Saoirse said:

The only people who'll roughly know that are the most senior figures at ENIC and the major banks helping finance the project. There's a lot of options available - for instance, the club could sell equity, or issue new equity and have ENIC buy nearly all of it (a stunt we pulled a few years back). If interests rates rise significantly, we could seek a larger forward payment on the naming rights contract to offset the debt. ENIC could even seek to sell the club soon after the move if all has gone smoothly and our value considerably rises as a result, which could be anything from massively beneficial on the financial side (if we got a sugar-daddy figure) or a flaming disaster if we get some wankers like the Glazers who mortgage us to the hilt. All we know is that the debt will be higher, but so will our annual revenue and thus ability to handle it - and that while any project like this is inherently risky there's few you'd trust more than Levy and ENIC to mitigate that.

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The NFL, Sky walk, flats, hotel, concerts and other events and even facilities like extreame sports we are getting have the ability to generate some cash as well. We are not just building a football stadium, there are a lot of side money spinning projects in this £800 million development.

From Kumb.

Although this isn't directly about what they are saying about us, they do refer to some of our players and ex players. They have a summer transfer thread like ours. Some of their targets are going to have to take a drop down the league and bare in mind this thread started back in February, enjoy:

Defoe on a free. Hart on loan somehow.

Joe Hart (City), Kasper Schmeichel (Leicester), Jordan Pickford (Sunderland), Adam Smith (Bournemouth), Darmian (ManU), Moses Odubajo (Hull), Tom Carroll (Swansea), Oxlaine-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Jack Wilshire (Arsenal), Ante Ćorić (Zagreb), Anthony Modeste (Koln)

Any from the above

GK - Hart 15m
RB - Zabaletta free
CAM - Sigguardsson 25m

Carrick
Defoe
Glenn Johnson
Oxlade Chamberlain
Glen Johnson

Wilshire -15 to 20m
Batshuayi 33m

Could maybe nick some of Leicesters players if they go down. I'd take Vardy, Okazaki, Fuchs, Gray.

Fabregas and Hart.

Iheanacho?

Blow all our money on Trippier and a top striker.

Wellbeck
Trippier
Zac Clough
Traora (Middlesborough)

trippier wouldn't be a "marquee signing", come on!

I'd rather Trippier come in than some marquee signing.

Tripper will never come to us, this bloke don't need to take a step down.

how on earth will we get tripper?! he is going to be first choice at spurs soon

Joe Hart (10m)
Kieran Trippier (10m)
Jan Kirchoff (free)
Will Hughes (10m)
Jay Rodriguez (12m)

Minimum!

I think the main priority now is three outgoing transfers - Sullivan, Gold and Brady. Complete con merchants.

We should chuck as much money as possible on Iheanacho.

I'd absolutely love Fellaini in our midfield.

It's been great watching Carroll kick on at Swansea, such a good technical player who is showing how good he is now. However from that generation of Spurs youth I think the one Spurs will regret selling most is Alex Pritchard, I suspect in a couple of seasons he will be close to the England squad.

Indeed if West Ham are looking for a creative English player who is good in the ball or a cheaper version of Sigurdsson, he'd be my pick.

Conte wants Bellotti , Lukaku and Morata, and they have Abraham coming back. There is still every chance that they sell Batshuayi. As long as we meet their asking price we are in pole position. Not sure how serious the interest in Sigurdsson is but if Swansea do go down i would bid 40m for him, CARROLL and MAWSOn

I think we have a good chance of signing Batshuayi tbh, don't think Conte would trust him as a backup striker and plus even when Costa was injured/banned he just played Hazard up top

More and more impressed with Josh King. Seems to have it all at the moment I think he'd be a fantastic signing. Him and Sigurdsson please.

Would Fabregas be unrealistic? Won't be first team and Chelsea. I doubt arsenal will resign him. He won't go spurs and has been in the press saying he wants to stay in London as its his home now. Us by default? Unlikely but what a player to have at West Ham.

Josh King would move to us because we are based in London, can pay high wages, have a massive stadium, have ambition and have better players to fit around him

Think a player we should be looking at is Iheanacho at man city, apparently city willing to listen to offers as major shake up this summer. Defoe/Iheanacho/Carroll and Fletcher would be a decent forward set up

Batshuayi, Iheanacho, King - Any of them and we're fine. Please reach an agreement before the window even opens Mr. Sullivan

Zabaleta looks like he's coming 100% so that means we're probably going back to 4-2-3-1 as i don't see him ever playing wing back

Jermaine Defoe
Harry Maguire
Jason Puncheon
Alvaro Negredo
Pablo Zabaleta
George Friend
Lamine Kone
South American loan
Kenyan Marathon Runner

What we need to do is what spurs did about 10 years ago buy all kinds of players from the lower leagues and see who works and who doesnt

Walker signed from Sheffield United
Lennon , Leeds
Routledge , Palace
Bale , Southampton
Naughton , Sheffield United
Huddlestone, Derby

Now some of these players worked for them and others didnt.. yet they managed to sell them off for reasonable money

you see ex spurs players all over the league now... you got Livermore at West brom, Routledge and Naughton at Swansea , Huddlestone at Hull, Townsend Palace

this business model combined with slow progress got them to where they are today

next season we need to target the League cup.. go all out at it.. easiest cup to win but would be an actual trophy!!

We were wrong to try for champs league so early.... Big sam got us into Europa and then the following year we actually qualified via the league..should have taken more seriously and gone for it again

thats another things spurs did.. they used that comp to nurture their youth like kane who is now one of the best around

slow progress!

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Man City reportedly making Kelechi Iheanacho available for £20 million. Dortmund are after him, which is a telltale sign that he is hugely talented. Let's see if he wants to stay in England, he is well worth the price.

Batshuyai looks decent. Him an Iheanacho?! Would be amazing. Both very talented. Would cost £50-60m for the pair. I look forward to Defoe & Crouch instead.

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See a fair few posts saying that we should follow the Spurs model of investment - so been looking back at their transfer history to see if it's justified.

Since 2004

Spurs have spent £380m abroad - recouping or current value (per transfermarkt) of £370m. Net loss £10m. In games terms those players have yielded 2,200 games

In the same time period they've spent £340m on players from the English league - and sold or today's value of £370m. Net £30m profit (includes Bale). Yielding 3,100 games.

Their spending has not been biased as much as you'd think to English leagues - but the players they have brought in have had almost 50% more 'effectiveness' based on games played.
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Mate they've come 3rd now 2nd with a net spend of £0 .think that tells you their model is a success

So your saying since 2004 they are + £20 m .nit only that they probably have the most valuable 1st xi in the league saw it quoted at about £500m that's pretty extraordinary tbh .i would say following their model wouldn't be the worst idea

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I'd like a business model that actually wins things, one that warrants a big move into a massive capacity stadium that only real success will keep bums on seats.

Otherwise why move? As we was happy as we was.

PS. The Spurs business model love in only started because they got totally outspent as they were the original odeous bragging club in the summers gone past about how they are going to win the league because they've signed blah, blah for mega money.Irving was a Scolar.

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The funny thing is that Spurs' recruitment this year has been awful and the failure of Janssen probably cost them the league.

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They also got lucky with Bale and Kane to be fair...

Bale carried them the last couple of seasons he was there, especially the last one... then they got 100m for him

As with Kane, a youth product turning out to be a 25 goal a season striker... not so much this year as others have stepped up but last year they were a Kane injury away from being average

Don't get me wrong they do a good job in the transfer window, mainly as they manage to get high fees for their average cast offs which then counter balances their own flops in the market.

I'm sure I remember them selling a young player in the summer for about 8m I'd never even heard of... we get peanuts... even Payet was sold on the cheap (I think he's refering to Pritchard)
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Man City are trying to sell a lot of their players...

Nasri
Nolito
Hart
Zabaleta
Kompany
Toure
Fernando
Bony
Iheanacho

I'd take Nolito, Hart, Zabaleta, Fernando and Iheancho..
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Compared to recent signings and loans, if we could get:

Sturridge
Defoe
Zabaleta
Terry

That would be excellent.
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How does Levy do it? Sissoko linked with Barca, Real and Milan today!

Oh and looks like they are getting a 34 year old right back who has never played in the Premier League... ok it is Dani Alves!

Someone's been reading the Daily Star!

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goughie1966 said:

From Kumb.

Although this isn't directly about what they are saying about us, they do refer to some of our players and ex players. They have a summer transfer thread like ours. Some of their targets are going to have to take a drop down the league and bare in mind this thread started back in February, enjoy:

Defoe on a free. Hart on loan somehow.

Joe Hart (City), Kasper Schmeichel (Leicester), Jordan Pickford (Sunderland), Adam Smith (Bournemouth), Darmian (ManU), Moses Odubajo (Hull), Tom Carroll (Swansea), Oxlaine-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Jack Wilshire (Arsenal), Ante Ćorić (Zagreb), Anthony Modeste (Koln)

Any from the above

GK - Hart 15m
RB - Zabaletta free
CAM - Sigguardsson 25m

Carrick
Defoe
Glenn Johnson
Oxlade Chamberlain
Glen Johnson

Wilshire -15 to 20m
Batshuayi 33m

Could maybe nick some of Leicesters players if they go down. I'd take Vardy, Okazaki, Fuchs, Gray.

Fabregas and Hart.

Iheanacho?

Blow all our money on Trippier and a top striker.

Wellbeck
Trippier
Zac Clough
Traora (Middlesborough)

trippier wouldn't be a "marquee signing", come on!

I'd rather Trippier come in than some marquee signing.

Tripper will never come to us, this bloke don't need to take a step down.

how on earth will we get tripper?! he is going to be first choice at spurs soon

Joe Hart (10m)
Kieran Trippier (10m)
Jan Kirchoff (free)
Will Hughes (10m)
Jay Rodriguez (12m)

Minimum!

I think the main priority now is three outgoing transfers - Sullivan, Gold and Brady. Complete con merchants.

We should chuck as much money as possible on Iheanacho.

I'd absolutely love Fellaini in our midfield.

It's been great watching Carroll kick on at Swansea, such a good technical player who is showing how good he is now. However from that generation of Spurs youth I think the one Spurs will regret selling most is Alex Pritchard, I suspect in a couple of seasons he will be close to the England squad.

Indeed if West Ham are looking for a creative English player who is good in the ball or a cheaper version of Sigurdsson, he'd be my pick.

Conte wants Bellotti , Lukaku and Morata, and they have Abraham coming back. There is still every chance that they sell Batshuayi. As long as we meet their asking price we are in pole position. Not sure how serious the interest in Sigurdsson is but if Swansea do go down i would bid 40m for him, CARROLL and MAWSOn

I think we have a good chance of signing Batshuayi tbh, don't think Conte would trust him as a backup striker and plus even when Costa was injured/banned he just played Hazard up top

More and more impressed with Josh King. Seems to have it all at the moment I think he'd be a fantastic signing. Him and Sigurdsson please.

Would Fabregas be unrealistic? Won't be first team and Chelsea. I doubt arsenal will resign him. He won't go spurs and has been in the press saying he wants to stay in London as its his home now. Us by default? Unlikely but what a player to have at West Ham.

Josh King would move to us because we are based in London, can pay high wages, have a massive stadium, have ambition and have better players to fit around him

Think a player we should be looking at is Iheanacho at man city, apparently city willing to listen to offers as major shake up this summer. Defoe/Iheanacho/Carroll and Fletcher would be a decent forward set up

Batshuayi, Iheanacho, King - Any of them and we're fine. Please reach an agreement before the window even opens Mr. Sullivan

Zabaleta looks like he's coming 100% so that means we're probably going back to 4-2-3-1 as i don't see him ever playing wing back

Jermaine Defoe
Harry Maguire
Jason Puncheon
Alvaro Negredo
Pablo Zabaleta
George Friend
Lamine Kone
South American loan
Kenyan Marathon Runner

What we need to do is what spurs did about 10 years ago buy all kinds of players from the lower leagues and see who works and who doesnt

Walker signed from Sheffield United
Lennon , Leeds
Routledge , Palace
Bale , Southampton
Naughton , Sheffield United
Huddlestone, Derby

Now some of these players worked for them and others didnt.. yet they managed to sell them off for reasonable money

you see ex spurs players all over the league now... you got Livermore at West brom, Routledge and Naughton at Swansea , Huddlestone at Hull, Townsend Palace

this business model combined with slow progress got them to where they are today

next season we need to target the League cup.. go all out at it.. easiest cup to win but would be an actual trophy!!

We were wrong to try for champs league so early.... Big sam got us into Europa and then the following year we actually qualified via the league..should have taken more seriously and gone for it again

thats another things spurs did.. they used that comp to nurture their youth like kane who is now one of the best around

slow progress!

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Man City reportedly making Kelechi Iheanacho available for £20 million. Dortmund are after him, which is a telltale sign that he is hugely talented. Let's see if he wants to stay in England, he is well worth the price.

Batshuyai looks decent. Him an Iheanacho?! Would be amazing. Both very talented. Would cost £50-60m for the pair. I look forward to Defoe & Crouch instead.

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See a fair few posts saying that we should follow the Spurs model of investment - so been looking back at their transfer history to see if it's justified.

Since 2004

Spurs have spent £380m abroad - recouping or current value (per transfermarkt) of £370m. Net loss £10m. In games terms those players have yielded 2,200 games

In the same time period they've spent £340m on players from the English league - and sold or today's value of £370m. Net £30m profit (includes Bale). Yielding 3,100 games.

Their spending has not been biased as much as you'd think to English leagues - but the players they have brought in have had almost 50% more 'effectiveness' based on games played.
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Mate they've come 3rd now 2nd with a net spend of £0 .think that tells you their model is a success

So your saying since 2004 they are + £20 m .nit only that they probably have the most valuable 1st xi in the league saw it quoted at about £500m that's pretty extraordinary tbh .i would say following their model wouldn't be the worst idea

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I'd like a business model that actually wins things, one that warrants a big move into a massive capacity stadium that only real success will keep bums on seats.

Otherwise why move? As we was happy as we was.

PS. The Spurs business model love in only started because they got totally outspent as they were the original odeous bragging club in the summers gone past about how they are going to win the league because they've signed blah, blah for mega money.Irving was a Scolar.

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The funny thing is that Spurs' recruitment this year has been awful and the failure of Janssen probably cost them the league.

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They also got lucky with Bale and Kane to be fair...

Bale carried them the last couple of seasons he was there, especially the last one... then they got 100m for him

As with Kane, a youth product turning out to be a 25 goal a season striker... not so much this year as others have stepped up but last year they were a Kane injury away from being average

Don't get me wrong they do a good job in the transfer window, mainly as they manage to get high fees for their average cast offs which then counter balances their own flops in the market.

I'm sure I remember them selling a young player in the summer for about 8m I'd never even heard of... we get peanuts... even Payet was sold on the cheap (I think he's refering to Pritchard)
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Man City are trying to sell a lot of their players...

Nasri
Nolito
Hart
Zabaleta
Kompany
Toure
Fernando
Bony
Iheanacho

I'd take Nolito, Hart, Zabaleta, Fernando and Iheancho..
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Compared to recent signings and loans, if we could get:

Sturridge
Defoe
Zabaleta
Terry

That would be excellent.
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How does Levy do it? Sissoko linked with Barca, Real and Milan today!

Oh and looks like they are getting a 34 year old right back who has never played in the Premier League... ok it is Dani Alves!

Someone's been reading the Daily Star!

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The guy slagging off our Summer signings seems to have missed Wanyama being one of the signings of the season.

danielneeds said:

CL money is a drop in the ocean to them. Their commercial deals are huge- their training kit sponsor pays them more than our main shirt sponsor.

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CL related income is still a very significant sum of money, even to the richest clubs in the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-financial-sporting-lure-premier-league-clubs

It's not hard to imagine that if Adidas have a clause in their deal dependent on Man Utd's CL participation then other sponsors will too.

goughie1966 said:

From Kumb.

Although this isn't directly about what they are saying about us, they do refer to some of our players and ex players. They have a summer transfer thread like ours. Some of their targets are going to have to take a drop down the league and bare in mind this thread started back in February, enjoy:

Defoe on a free. Hart on loan somehow.

Joe Hart (City), Kasper Schmeichel (Leicester), Jordan Pickford (Sunderland), Adam Smith (Bournemouth), Darmian (ManU), Moses Odubajo (Hull), Tom Carroll (Swansea), Oxlaine-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Jack Wilshire (Arsenal), Ante Ćorić (Zagreb), Anthony Modeste (Koln)

Any from the above

GK - Hart 15m
RB - Zabaletta free
CAM - Sigguardsson 25m

Carrick
Defoe
Glenn Johnson
Oxlade Chamberlain
Glen Johnson

Wilshire -15 to 20m
Batshuayi 33m

Could maybe nick some of Leicesters players if they go down. I'd take Vardy, Okazaki, Fuchs, Gray.

Fabregas and Hart.

Iheanacho?

Blow all our money on Trippier and a top striker.

Wellbeck
Trippier
Zac Clough
Traora (Middlesborough)

trippier wouldn't be a "marquee signing", come on!

I'd rather Trippier come in than some marquee signing.

Tripper will never come to us, this bloke don't need to take a step down.

how on earth will we get tripper?! he is going to be first choice at spurs soon

Joe Hart (10m)
Kieran Trippier (10m)
Jan Kirchoff (free)
Will Hughes (10m)
Jay Rodriguez (12m)

Minimum!

I think the main priority now is three outgoing transfers - Sullivan, Gold and Brady. Complete con merchants.

We should chuck as much money as possible on Iheanacho.

I'd absolutely love Fellaini in our midfield.

It's been great watching Carroll kick on at Swansea, such a good technical player who is showing how good he is now. However from that generation of Spurs youth I think the one Spurs will regret selling most is Alex Pritchard, I suspect in a couple of seasons he will be close to the England squad.

Indeed if West Ham are looking for a creative English player who is good in the ball or a cheaper version of Sigurdsson, he'd be my pick.

Conte wants Bellotti , Lukaku and Morata, and they have Abraham coming back. There is still every chance that they sell Batshuayi. As long as we meet their asking price we are in pole position. Not sure how serious the interest in Sigurdsson is but if Swansea do go down i would bid 40m for him, CARROLL and MAWSOn

I think we have a good chance of signing Batshuayi tbh, don't think Conte would trust him as a backup striker and plus even when Costa was injured/banned he just played Hazard up top

More and more impressed with Josh King. Seems to have it all at the moment I think he'd be a fantastic signing. Him and Sigurdsson please.

Would Fabregas be unrealistic? Won't be first team and Chelsea. I doubt arsenal will resign him. He won't go spurs and has been in the press saying he wants to stay in London as its his home now. Us by default? Unlikely but what a player to have at West Ham.

Josh King would move to us because we are based in London, can pay high wages, have a massive stadium, have ambition and have better players to fit around him

Think a player we should be looking at is Iheanacho at man city, apparently city willing to listen to offers as major shake up this summer. Defoe/Iheanacho/Carroll and Fletcher would be a decent forward set up

Batshuayi, Iheanacho, King - Any of them and we're fine. Please reach an agreement before the window even opens Mr. Sullivan

Zabaleta looks like he's coming 100% so that means we're probably going back to 4-2-3-1 as i don't see him ever playing wing back

Jermaine Defoe
Harry Maguire
Jason Puncheon
Alvaro Negredo
Pablo Zabaleta
George Friend
Lamine Kone
South American loan
Kenyan Marathon Runner

What we need to do is what spurs did about 10 years ago buy all kinds of players from the lower leagues and see who works and who doesnt

Walker signed from Sheffield United
Lennon , Leeds
Routledge , Palace
Bale , Southampton
Naughton , Sheffield United
Huddlestone, Derby

Now some of these players worked for them and others didnt.. yet they managed to sell them off for reasonable money

you see ex spurs players all over the league now... you got Livermore at West brom, Routledge and Naughton at Swansea , Huddlestone at Hull, Townsend Palace

this business model combined with slow progress got them to where they are today

next season we need to target the League cup.. go all out at it.. easiest cup to win but would be an actual trophy!!

We were wrong to try for champs league so early.... Big sam got us into Europa and then the following year we actually qualified via the league..should have taken more seriously and gone for it again

thats another things spurs did.. they used that comp to nurture their youth like kane who is now one of the best around

slow progress!

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Man City reportedly making Kelechi Iheanacho available for £20 million. Dortmund are after him, which is a telltale sign that he is hugely talented. Let's see if he wants to stay in England, he is well worth the price.

Batshuyai looks decent. Him an Iheanacho?! Would be amazing. Both very talented. Would cost £50-60m for the pair. I look forward to Defoe & Crouch instead.

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See a fair few posts saying that we should follow the Spurs model of investment - so been looking back at their transfer history to see if it's justified.

Since 2004

Spurs have spent £380m abroad - recouping or current value (per transfermarkt) of £370m. Net loss £10m. In games terms those players have yielded 2,200 games

In the same time period they've spent £340m on players from the English league - and sold or today's value of £370m. Net £30m profit (includes Bale). Yielding 3,100 games.

Their spending has not been biased as much as you'd think to English leagues - but the players they have brought in have had almost 50% more 'effectiveness' based on games played.
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Mate they've come 3rd now 2nd with a net spend of £0 .think that tells you their model is a success

So your saying since 2004 they are + £20 m .nit only that they probably have the most valuable 1st xi in the league saw it quoted at about £500m that's pretty extraordinary tbh .i would say following their model wouldn't be the worst idea

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I'd like a business model that actually wins things, one that warrants a big move into a massive capacity stadium that only real success will keep bums on seats.

Otherwise why move? As we was happy as we was.

PS. The Spurs business model love in only started because they got totally outspent as they were the original odeous bragging club in the summers gone past about how they are going to win the league because they've signed blah, blah for mega money.Irving was a Scolar.

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The funny thing is that Spurs' recruitment this year has been awful and the failure of Janssen probably cost them the league.

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They also got lucky with Bale and Kane to be fair...

Bale carried them the last couple of seasons he was there, especially the last one... then they got 100m for him

As with Kane, a youth product turning out to be a 25 goal a season striker... not so much this year as others have stepped up but last year they were a Kane injury away from being average

Don't get me wrong they do a good job in the transfer window, mainly as they manage to get high fees for their average cast offs which then counter balances their own flops in the market.

I'm sure I remember them selling a young player in the summer for about 8m I'd never even heard of... we get peanuts... even Payet was sold on the cheap (I think he's refering to Pritchard)
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Man City are trying to sell a lot of their players...

Nasri
Nolito
Hart
Zabaleta
Kompany
Toure
Fernando
Bony
Iheanacho

I'd take Nolito, Hart, Zabaleta, Fernando and Iheancho..
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Compared to recent signings and loans, if we could get:

Sturridge
Defoe
Zabaleta
Terry

That would be excellent.
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How does Levy do it? Sissoko linked with Barca, Real and Milan today!

Oh and looks like they are getting a 34 year old right back who has never played in the Premier League... ok it is Dani Alves!

Someone's been reading the Daily Star!

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Bunch of deluded fools!

goughie1966 said:

From Kumb.

Zabaleta looks like he's coming 100%

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danielneeds said:

Oh, man some of the meltdowns on there were glorious...

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Does anyone ever remember Holt Enders, the Villa fan who made never ending posts about how much bigger Villa were than Spurs throughout history, he posted all most daily on the Spurs 606 pages. I am assuming he has gone insane or something trying to calculate some figures to explain how Villa are still far far better than Tottenham could ever dream....

They really can't be complimentary can they. They acknowledge a great business model, a transfer policy much more effective than their own and envy of our finishing positions but they find a way of slagging us off. Just be decent football fans and give us a nod ffs. Or on the other hand just wallow in your own misery.

goughie1966 said:

From Kumb.

Although this isn't directly about what they are saying about us, they do refer to some of our players and ex players. They have a summer transfer thread like ours. Some of their targets are going to have to take a drop down the league and bare in mind this thread started back in February, enjoy:

Defoe on a free. Hart on loan somehow.

Joe Hart (City), Kasper Schmeichel (Leicester), Jordan Pickford (Sunderland), Adam Smith (Bournemouth), Darmian (ManU), Moses Odubajo (Hull), Tom Carroll (Swansea), Oxlaine-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Jack Wilshire (Arsenal), Ante Ćorić (Zagreb), Anthony Modeste (Koln)

Any from the above

GK - Hart 15m
RB - Zabaletta free
CAM - Sigguardsson 25m

Carrick
Defoe
Glenn Johnson
Oxlade Chamberlain
Glen Johnson

Wilshire -15 to 20m
Batshuayi 33m

Could maybe nick some of Leicesters players if they go down. I'd take Vardy, Okazaki, Fuchs, Gray.

Fabregas and Hart.

Iheanacho?

Blow all our money on Trippier and a top striker.

Wellbeck
Trippier
Zac Clough
Traora (Middlesborough)

trippier wouldn't be a "marquee signing", come on!

I'd rather Trippier come in than some marquee signing.

Tripper will never come to us, this bloke don't need to take a step down.

how on earth will we get tripper?! he is going to be first choice at spurs soon

Joe Hart (10m)
Kieran Trippier (10m)
Jan Kirchoff (free)
Will Hughes (10m)
Jay Rodriguez (12m)

Minimum!

I think the main priority now is three outgoing transfers - Sullivan, Gold and Brady. Complete con merchants.

We should chuck as much money as possible on Iheanacho.

I'd absolutely love Fellaini in our midfield.

It's been great watching Carroll kick on at Swansea, such a good technical player who is showing how good he is now. However from that generation of Spurs youth I think the one Spurs will regret selling most is Alex Pritchard, I suspect in a couple of seasons he will be close to the England squad.

Indeed if West Ham are looking for a creative English player who is good in the ball or a cheaper version of Sigurdsson, he'd be my pick.

Conte wants Bellotti , Lukaku and Morata, and they have Abraham coming back. There is still every chance that they sell Batshuayi. As long as we meet their asking price we are in pole position. Not sure how serious the interest in Sigurdsson is but if Swansea do go down i would bid 40m for him, CARROLL and MAWSOn

I think we have a good chance of signing Batshuayi tbh, don't think Conte would trust him as a backup striker and plus even when Costa was injured/banned he just played Hazard up top

More and more impressed with Josh King. Seems to have it all at the moment I think he'd be a fantastic signing. Him and Sigurdsson please.

Would Fabregas be unrealistic? Won't be first team and Chelsea. I doubt arsenal will resign him. He won't go spurs and has been in the press saying he wants to stay in London as its his home now. Us by default? Unlikely but what a player to have at West Ham.

Josh King would move to us because we are based in London, can pay high wages, have a massive stadium, have ambition and have better players to fit around him

Think a player we should be looking at is Iheanacho at man city, apparently city willing to listen to offers as major shake up this summer. Defoe/Iheanacho/Carroll and Fletcher would be a decent forward set up

Batshuayi, Iheanacho, King - Any of them and we're fine. Please reach an agreement before the window even opens Mr. Sullivan

Zabaleta looks like he's coming 100% so that means we're probably going back to 4-2-3-1 as i don't see him ever playing wing back

Jermaine Defoe
Harry Maguire
Jason Puncheon
Alvaro Negredo
Pablo Zabaleta
George Friend
Lamine Kone
South American loan
Kenyan Marathon Runner

What we need to do is what spurs did about 10 years ago buy all kinds of players from the lower leagues and see who works and who doesnt

Walker signed from Sheffield United
Lennon , Leeds
Routledge , Palace
Bale , Southampton
Naughton , Sheffield United
Huddlestone, Derby

Now some of these players worked for them and others didnt.. yet they managed to sell them off for reasonable money

you see ex spurs players all over the league now... you got Livermore at West brom, Routledge and Naughton at Swansea , Huddlestone at Hull, Townsend Palace

this business model combined with slow progress got them to where they are today

next season we need to target the League cup.. go all out at it.. easiest cup to win but would be an actual trophy!!

We were wrong to try for champs league so early.... Big sam got us into Europa and then the following year we actually qualified via the league..should have taken more seriously and gone for it again

thats another things spurs did.. they used that comp to nurture their youth like kane who is now one of the best around

slow progress!

------------------------------------------

Man City reportedly making Kelechi Iheanacho available for £20 million. Dortmund are after him, which is a telltale sign that he is hugely talented. Let's see if he wants to stay in England, he is well worth the price.

Batshuyai looks decent. Him an Iheanacho?! Would be amazing. Both very talented. Would cost £50-60m for the pair. I look forward to Defoe & Crouch instead.

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See a fair few posts saying that we should follow the Spurs model of investment - so been looking back at their transfer history to see if it's justified.

Since 2004

Spurs have spent £380m abroad - recouping or current value (per transfermarkt) of £370m. Net loss £10m. In games terms those players have yielded 2,200 games

In the same time period they've spent £340m on players from the English league - and sold or today's value of £370m. Net £30m profit (includes Bale). Yielding 3,100 games.

Their spending has not been biased as much as you'd think to English leagues - but the players they have brought in have had almost 50% more 'effectiveness' based on games played.
----------------------------------------------

Mate they've come 3rd now 2nd with a net spend of £0 .think that tells you their model is a success

So your saying since 2004 they are + £20 m .nit only that they probably have the most valuable 1st xi in the league saw it quoted at about £500m that's pretty extraordinary tbh .i would say following their model wouldn't be the worst idea

---------------------------------------------

I'd like a business model that actually wins things, one that warrants a big move into a massive capacity stadium that only real success will keep bums on seats.

Otherwise why move? As we was happy as we was.

PS. The Spurs business model love in only started because they got totally outspent as they were the original odeous bragging club in the summers gone past about how they are going to win the league because they've signed blah, blah for mega money.Irving was a Scolar.

-----------------------------------------------

The funny thing is that Spurs' recruitment this year has been awful and the failure of Janssen probably cost them the league.

------------------------------------------------

They also got lucky with Bale and Kane to be fair...

Bale carried them the last couple of seasons he was there, especially the last one... then they got 100m for him

As with Kane, a youth product turning out to be a 25 goal a season striker... not so much this year as others have stepped up but last year they were a Kane injury away from being average

Don't get me wrong they do a good job in the transfer window, mainly as they manage to get high fees for their average cast offs which then counter balances their own flops in the market.

I'm sure I remember them selling a young player in the summer for about 8m I'd never even heard of... we get peanuts... even Payet was sold on the cheap (I think he's refering to Pritchard)
--------------------------------------------

Man City are trying to sell a lot of their players...

Nasri
Nolito
Hart
Zabaleta
Kompany
Toure
Fernando
Bony
Iheanacho

I'd take Nolito, Hart, Zabaleta, Fernando and Iheancho..
-----------------------------------------------------
Compared to recent signings and loans, if we could get:

Sturridge
Defoe
Zabaleta
Terry

That would be excellent.
---------------------------------------

How does Levy do it? Sissoko linked with Barca, Real and Milan today!

Oh and looks like they are getting a 34 year old right back who has never played in the Premier League... ok it is Dani Alves!

Someone's been reading the Daily Star!

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Hilarious that they think that some of those Man City players, who will probably have a list of clubs after them, will choose to go to that joke of a club.

Dortmund or West Ham?....hmmmmn, gonna need a few days to think that one through

sundanceyid10 said:

Does anyone ever remember Holt Enders, the Villa fan who made never ending posts about how much bigger Villa were than Spurs throughout history, he posted all most daily on the Spurs 606 pages. I am assuming he has gone insane or something trying to calculate some figures to explain how Villa are still far far better than Tottenham could ever dream....

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Yeah but he had to include "titles" from the 1800's to make it relevant and give Villa the edge.

First met @ValenciaYid there too, good times, but SC blows it out of the water.

arsenal mania.


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Do some people on Redcafe still think Kane is shit?

tiger666 said:

Do some people on Redcafe still think Kane is shit?

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Some people on Redcafe still think the Earth is flat.

tiger666 said:

Do some people on Redcafe still think Kane is shit?

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Cos his surname doesn't have 5 syllables.