Kyle Walker

spursfan77 · Jun 30, 2017

Just when you thought who's the better player Walker or trippier couldn't be debated any longer!

It's the new Keane or Defoe.

It's Walker btw.

THFCSPURS19 · Jun 30, 2017

Spurrific said:
Because he mostly plays against the bantha fodder?

So did Walker because he started most games...

fatpiranha · Jun 30, 2017

Spurrific said:
Because he mostly plays against the bantha fodder?

Actually no. Trippier's 6 premiership starts included Arsenal & Man Utd and away at West Ham. Statistically at least Walker had the easier starts. Small sample though so a pinch of salt needed.

tiger666 · Jun 30, 2017

Kaboul'sForehead said:
Walker's athleticism will be noticeably missed on Wembley's larger pitch.

The same size pitch as the vast majority of away games we've played for years.

longtimespur · Jun 30, 2017

I can't believe people would believe Poch would jeopardise his goals and sell a player he didn't want to.
Oh and I also don't think Levy would try to upset Poch by doing so either.

Everlasting Seconds · Jun 30, 2017

Spurrific said:
Utterly deluded. Walker, Moses, Clyne, Valencia, Bellerin, Coleman (if he recovers) are all better than Trippier and that's before somebody brings Dani Alves in. He will never be as good as Walker.

Apologies if I've missed sarcasm here, surely that's the only explanation for such an incredibly warped viewpoint.

I was actually not sarcastic, although I can be prone to over-rely on sarcasm.

I think you are arguing based on what Trippier has done. I'm arguing based on what I expect/suspect from him moving forward. I see in Trippier a player who might be ready to take that big next step, and become the player I'm talking about. By all means I'm not saying that he has been on "that" level already.

I also think that Walker has been incredibly lucky in playing for a team and a system last season in which his flaws are mitigated easily. It's not like he doesn't have flaws any longer, it's that in the present team they are countered. Insert Walker into another team, and I don't think he will look that good.

But more than that, I have no issue selling Walker for an obscene sum of money, and trusting Trippier. I fully expect it to work out.

St José Dominguez · Jun 30, 2017

longtimespur said:
I can't believe people would believe Poch would jeopardise his goals and sell a player he didn't want to.
Oh and I also don't think Levy would try to upset Poch by doing so either.

Think it's pretty blatantly obvious if given the choice Poch wouldn't sell anyone.
Him and Levy have obviously sat down, the fact we haven't got any money in the transfer kitty has been brought up and Poch has decided he'd rather have 50m to spend on the squad than keep it as it is.

Personally I'd rather keep it as it is and promote youth players than lose the best RB in the league and spunk it on bang average players like Barkley, but each to their own.

Spurrific · Jun 30, 2017

fatpiranha said:
Actually no. Trippier's 6 premiership starts included Arsenal & Man Utd and away at West Ham. Statistically at least Walker had the easier starts. Small sample though so a pinch of salt needed.

Which games did he get his stats? Because they weren't against any of those teams you list.

longtimespur · Jun 30, 2017

St José Dominguez said:
Think it's pretty blatantly obvious if given the choice Poch wouldn't sell anyone.
Him and Levy have obviously sat down, the fact we haven't got any money in the transfer kitty has been brought up and Poch has decided he'd rather have 50m to spend on the squad than keep it as it is.

Personally I'd rather keep it as it is and promote youth players than lose the best RB in the league and spunk it on bang average players like Barkley, but each to their own.

That's ok, you've your opinion and I have mine.

Although Poch has said something along the lines of .... no player will leave that he wants to keep. I won't put in quotation marks as I can't recall the exact words.
So that's where I base my opinion from.

Japhet · Jun 30, 2017

thebenjamin said:
I don't understand this. A player signs a 5 year contract for a substantial pay rise, and then says they want to leave a couple of months later. Do you 'move on and deal with it' with every single player who does that? So basically every player who gets tapped up and wants to leave for more money, is free to leave. Dele, Toby, anyone.

Strange policy.

It's been our policy for quite a while. Carrick, Berbatov, Keane, Modric, Bale etc. all wanted out. It's not pleasant but it's a fact of life and the income from those sales has pushed us to greater things. We don't compete on wages, primarily because it would bankrupt us. If Pochettino is OK with Walker moving on (while he is worth an obscene amount of money), I can deal with it. I don't see him as so integral to our success that we can't deal with it. None of us knows what goes on behind the scenes, but we all know that team spirit and attitude are right up the top of the list. Plenty of people thought we were doomed when Bentaleb moved on.

St José Dominguez · Jun 30, 2017

Japhet said:
It's been our policy for quite a while. Carrick, Berbatov, Keane, Modric, Bale etc. all wanted out. It's not pleasant but it's a fact of life and the income from those sales has pushed us to greater things. We don't compete on wages, primarily because it would bankrupt us. If Pochettino is OK with Walker moving on (while he is worth an obscene amount of money), I can deal with it. I don't see him as so integral to our success that we can't deal with it. None of us knows what goes on behind the scenes, but we all know that team spirit and attitude are right up the top of the list. Plenty of people thought we were doomed when Bentaleb moved on.

All those players left for better teams though and not at a time when we were apparently trying to win the league. If it was Madrid getting Walker I'd think fair enough, but a team who haven't been as good as us for two years and who are a direct rival and in desperate need of full backs? Nah it's inexplicable.

There's obvious key players who are more key than others but what's made us great aside from Poch is we're now a team, cogs in a wheel and we're about to lose one who is the best in his position in the league and one of the best in Europe.

Maybe we'll spend the money superbly but I don't see how there's anything positive from what we're looking at doing right at this minute and it is a slightly worrying sign after two of the best years of my Spurs supporting life.

fatpiranha · Jun 30, 2017

Spurrific said:
Which games did he get his stats? Because they weren't against any of those teams you list.

West Ham was wrong

. Trippier started against Burnley, Watford x 2, Arsenal, Man Utd & Hull.

We won all those games btw with an aggregate score of 21-3 (y)

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Japhet · Jun 30, 2017

St José Dominguez said:
All those players left for better teams though and not at a time when we were apparently trying to win the league. If it was Madrid getting Walker I'd think fair enough, but a team who haven't been as good as us for two years and who are a direct rival and in desperate need of full backs? Nah it's inexplicable.

There's obvious key players who are more key than others but what's made us great aside from Poch is we're now a team, cogs in a wheel and we're about to lose one who is the best in his position in the league and one of the best in Europe.

Maybe we'll spend the money superbly but I don't see how there's anything positive from what we're looking at doing right at this minute and it is a slightly worrying sign after two of the best years of my Spurs supporting life.

All fair enough. Yes, we are a team now and it is about the right cogs. However, we know that Poch won't tolerate anyone being disruptive and his policy has served us well. I don't want to lose any key players either and we will have a huge struggle on our hands to do that, but if Poch is OK with letting Walker go, who are any of us to argue about it. Of the starting XI he's by far the easiest to manage without. In 2 years time we'll be in clover, and in 2 years time Walker will be 29. Once his pace is gone he'll be very average.

Led's Zeppelin · Jun 30, 2017

longtimespur said:
That's ok, you've your opinion and I have mine.

Although Poch has said something along the lines of .... no player will leave that he wants to keep. I won't put in quotation marks as I can't recall the exact words.
So that's where I base my opinion from.

Yes, he did say that, and I don't doubt that he meant it sincerely.

But, as long as we allow players to leave for the club of their choice, the more Likely it becomes that more will want to leave, because they see how easy it is. This isn't all bad, because good young players are more likely to join a club that they know won't be complete bastards to them when they want to move on. So we get better young players joining us.

But at some point we need to transform
ourselves from an upmarket Southampton to a club that goes toe to toe with our competitors. I was hoping that now, with one of the two best teams in the country, the best manager, CL football again and the new stadium looming, it was the right time to start.

But if it's Pochettino's football judgement, and he actually believes we'll be better off than Man City as a result of the deal, I'm happy to back it. (Which I'm sure he'll be delighted to hear!) But it isn't an easy one is it?

Spurrific · Jun 30, 2017

fatpiranha said:
West Ham was wrong . Trippier started against Burnley, Watford x 2, Arsenal, Man Utd & Hull.

We won all those games btw with an aggregate score of 21-3 .

And in which of those games did he get his assists? Was it against the good teams, or the really shit ones?

Everlasting Seconds said:
I was actually not sarcastic, although I can be prone to over-rely on sarcasm.

I think you are arguing based on what Trippier has done. I'm arguing based on what I expect/suspect from him moving forward. I see in Trippier a player who might be ready to take that big next step, and become the player I'm talking about. By all means I'm not saying that he has been on "that" level already.

I also think that Walker has been incredibly lucky in playing for a team and a system last season in which his flaws are mitigated easily. It's not like he doesn't have flaws any longer, it's that in the present team they are countered. Insert Walker into another team, and I don't think he will look that good.

But more than that, I have no issue selling Walker for an obscene sum of money, and trusting Trippier. I fully expect it to work out.

Trippier is nearly 27, he's not some youth prospect. If we're selling Walker because he's maximised his potential due to his age, I can't see any reason why Trippier will suddenly become a world-beater.

Everlasting Seconds · Jun 30, 2017

Spurrific said:
Trippier is nearly 27, he's not some youth prospect. If we're selling Walker because he's maximised his potential due to his age, I can't see any reason why Trippier will suddenly become a world-beater.

1) I always argue that every player is a case by case situation. They have different/individual trajectories for development, so what goes for one player is not necessarily the case for another.
2) I for one haven't referred to Walkers age at all. Regardless of his age, I don't think he will ever get better, and most especially not at a different team.

fatpiranha · Jun 30, 2017

Spurrific said:
And in which of those games did he get his assists? Was it against the good teams, or the really shit ones?

Seriously mate, learn to Google

.

Both Walker & Trippier got all their assists against the shit teams which is unsurprising really considering our match tactics.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Jun 30, 2017

Riandor said:
I am alas resigned to Walker leaving, which will be a massive shame.

I only hope Trix is right and that a foreign club (either Bayern or Barcelona dir example) get him rather than city.

50m is scant consolation if we strengthen a rival and help give them the tools to finish above us. This is the kind of thing we did when we were battling for EL places, but not what you do when you go for the title.

I think you and others are massively overstating how much Walker would improve City and the effect losing him would have on us. RB is not one of the key positions on the pitch - Chelsea won the league with a player who had never played in that position before. If the manager believes that we can perform to the same level or above with a different RB then who are we to argue? The furore about all this is ridiculous. I could understand it if we were selling eriksen, Kane, dele, Dier - who are still young enough to improve and key in their positions but a 27 yr old right back with many of the same flaws he had 5 years ago - nah, I don't get it

Lou3000 · Jun 30, 2017

We can go back and forth all day, but I think with Son, Lamela, Eriksen, Kane, and Dele all in attack, we don't need a world beater at fullback.

I used to think Rose and Walker were key to our success, but that was also when we were still developing and the extra attack took some pressure off Kane and Eriksen to carry the team. Now, we went on a massive win streak to end the season largely with Davies and Trip.

We just need a bit of pace, a decent cross, and most importantly, the stamina to run up and down the flanks.

If the price is 50m, and he wants to go, let him go. Reinvest and move on.

Mr Pink · Jun 30, 2017

Love Walker as a player, one of my favourites, and if it were my choice I'd be doing everything in my power to keep him, but its not my choice, it's Poch's and it's his judgement and vision for the team that matters.

Got to trust the guy who's been nothing short of exceptional, overall, since he's arrived.

That's the bottom line for me.

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