npearl4spurs
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Race for the Top 4 - 2017/18
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hellava_tough
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Saturday 16th December = Man City (Away) 5 30pm
Saturday 14th April = Man City (Home) 3pm
EDIT That second game will probably be rearranged for tv
npearl4spurs
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The average points of a 38-game PL title winner is 85, with a range of 75-95. Therefore 84 points is normally around a 50/50 chance. That being said it's less than 50% right now simply because of how well City have done. Let's say they regress to being 'only' as good as a normal title winner for the rest of this season - you'd still expect them to end up on 90 points due to their early season form. So we either need them to drop below a normal title-winning standard, or for us to do massively (likely impossibly)* well.
*We'd need to play like a team that'd reach 92 points over 38 games (on the high end for a champion) for the rest of this season to beat Man City if they reached that standard.
Spot the statistician!
Excellent work.
(Though don't forget to take into account the opposition and location (home/away) of games so far.)
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Infamy, Infamy, they've all go it in fer me!
shelfmonkey
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You're right about there not being a Spurs specific conspiracy, but there is definitely a pro Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and, still to some extent, Arsenal conspiracy, the problem we have as a club is that we're upsetting that little elite set up and it shows in the media's attitude towards us.
Everlasting Seconds
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Yep, there is an elite bias, I won't deny that. But there is no secret order with sole intent about suppressing Spurs.
Is there really an elite bias in the media?
I really can't see it myself (refer to post above ("all fans think their club is discriminated against")) - I'd love to hear more arguments on the subject.
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We really need to crack on over this set of games, some tough fixtures, but we’ve proven this past week that we are more than capable of holding our own.
Probably worth it’s own thread.
panoma
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City played like this during the summer to intimidate the rest. Would not surprise me if they run out of steam to early. No way can a team keep up that intensity and style for such a long time.
I know its a cliche, but its still true; The league is a marathon and not a sprint.
I know its a cliche, but its still true; The league is a marathon and not a sprint.
Everlasting Seconds
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Well, only because it yields more money. Whatever the media can focus on that yields the most money, that's where they go. And since the largest fanbases are concentrated on the largest clubs, it makes the most sense to focus on them because they will reach the largest audience, and generate the largest amount of money. It's not because those club are more loved by the media, but simply because it is a recipe that yields financial results. Just look at TV broadcasted matches within the UK. It is not evenly distributed among all clubs. Large clubs are shown more times because they appeal to the largest audience. Also, a fan of club not-so-important is more likely to pay attention to news about very-important-club, than to news about another small-club. So through economics, there is a top club bias.
Interesting theory, I like it.
However does it necessarily follow that the article about the "top club" has to be positive? Surely any article about a top club will attract the same number of clicks? So therefore dues there have to be a bias, or just more articles about the top clubs?
Case in point - the vast majority of articles about Arsenal in the last couple of years have been about their "crisis". Yet apparently everyone (Arsenal fans included) wants to read these articles and comment on them.
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I would assume there is a hierarchy over money generating football news.
On the top, you'll probably find football sensations. For instance "Newly promoted club with a name that sounds like a square in London on path to league title". Big, sensational news. Gotta love it. Generates loads of money. Happens rarely.
Level two in the hierarchy is probably really bad stuff about somebody remotely famous. For instance long-time football personality connected to prime PL clubs accused of sexual assault. Generates a fair bit of money if you can keep some secrecy around it. Happens semi rarely
Level three is probably anything you can write about the BIG clubs. If the headline has a big club in it, it will sell. Generates a shit load of money, because it happens every day.
Level four is probably invented or perceived news about big teams. You know, will Wenger last THIS season? Will Kane leave NEXT summer. That sort of crap. Happens as a build up to every round. Creates some way to use big individuals to increase revenue. Mentioning Kane's perceived transfer is not really about talking down Spurs, it's about (ab)using flavour of the month players to increase sales. It's great, because you can say the same thing every single week, and sell news that aren't even news.
Level four is probably manager sackings. The more prestigious the manager is, the better for media sales.
Etc. etc. etc. So it's not really black and white, but it follows an economic mechanism to create money, not to promote a bias only for the sake of it.
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mightyspur
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A cane?
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At some point there has to be some balancing. 9 games in not a lot has been played for just yet we have to wait for some teams to start pushing for Europe or fighting relegation to maybe start testing City rather than simply thinking there going to lose. All so they always start well and we start a little slower
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I will if we beat City
All very reasonable as an argument, however it doesn't address the point of bias.
Stories such as those you mention could be positive or negative, but so long as they feature a big club, they'll still be read. That'll sell papers.
So is there any bias toward reporting favourably on big clubs, or is it just that they are reported on more often?
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