LexingtonSpurs
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Player Watch: Marcus Edwards
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LexingtonSpurs
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Or, he won't be in the team, and everyone will be talking about what a shite loan it is...
Either way, we'll be back here in a couple of weeks!
Personally, I hope he takes the approach that he is there to do everything he can to help Norwich get promoted. I want him focused on the task at hand, and not even worried about his own future. If he does that - his future will take care of itself.
IGSpur
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I think your last sentence is more the reason than your first. It doesn't matter how good any academy player is, as long as the PL has funds to buy a standard player from abroad with less risk they will always do it
tiger666
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So how did Kane, Winks, Mason come through?
There’s a lot of luck timing wise for youth players. I’d say 75% get a chance because of an injury crisis. Look at Rashford. Dele only got a chance so early because mason and bentaleb were injured. Unfortunately Edwards has had the reverse. Every time there’s been a possible opportunity like yesterday he’s either been injured or with England or now on loan.
Lilbaz
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Always is probably a strong word. But yes certain clubs seem to go with this model when money is no object.
Other clubs will by necessity use academy players. As it costs a lot otherwise.
Think we are inbetween. It will take a very good academy player to get into the first team. But we can afford to buy.
Levy didn't invest £millions in the academy for no return. And we have got a great return. First team and sales.
Blake Griffin
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kane and mason only got a chance because of how bad the likes of capoue/paulinho/ade/soldado were, they were basically a last resort.
LexingtonSpurs
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Thats not exactly true - in Kanes case in particular. He did have to wait behind Ade and Soldado, but he was aggressively taking his chances in cup and Europa matches - forcing himself into the conversation.
And, everyone know the way into Poch's heart is through training performances, and every account of Kane is that he is first to arrive, last to leave. In other words, he worked his bollocks off to get where he is today.
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So " It doesn't matter how good any academy player is, as long as the PL has funds to buy a standard player from abroad with less risk they will always do it" still isn't correct.
What I will say is things can change very quickly look at bale. I’m not exactly sure what went on there, but I know we were trying to get rid. Anyone know exactly what happened ? Vaguely remember Harry saying he was a bit soft and had to toughen up. Remarkable really the turn around that happened.
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I seem to recall him getting his big chance starting a run of games when Benny got injured, but someone will probably correct me on that. I think we were looking at a loan, rather than selling, just before he broke into the team.
tiger666
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That was all Harry Redknapp as far as I remember. I don't think the club were trying to "get rid".
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Benny was off to the ACN but then got injured and Bale got a run in our first 11. The rest as they say is history.
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What does any of that have to do with Edwards?
dagraham
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It’s not weird, although I agree that things can always change quickly in football.
It’s a complete myth that Bale was poor in his early Spurs career. You could tell immediately he wasn’t an ordinary player. In fact he was our best player on his debut at Old Trafford and put in plenty of good all round performances including goals and assists.
It was mainly the defensive side of his game which was a bit suspect, but obviously that’s irrelevant now seeing as he’s basically a forward now.
What happened was he got a couple of nasty injuries and completely lost his confidence. The anomaly of not being on the winning side probably didn’t help either.
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I remember at one point we thought he was a bad luck charm, I can’t remember the exact amount of games but we went a lot of games where we never won when he played. He was a LB then of course!
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going back five years or so, you have Carroll, Townshend, Nabil, Mason, Kane, Pritchard, Winks, Onomah and CCV that have all come through the academy and are in the first team of a EPL or Championship side (or Bundesliga). I dont know where the idea that our academy players dont get a chance comes from. It makes sense that as we improve it will be harder for them to hold a spot in our first team but we are developing players.
The original point regarding Bale was things can change quickly. And personally I can see some similarities between the situations. Two very obviously talented young players that for whatever reasons that might be slightly outside football, as in confidence or attitude are affecting the progression. A couple of starts for Norwich and things may look very different. I’ve probably seen Edwards play 30 times at different levels. But until you actually see him playing grown men in a competitive game it’s hard to know just how good he is. For however much the Norwich manager criticised him, he still said he could be one of the best players in the league.
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I get what you're trying say here, but it is somewhat hypocritical when you lot who frequent the youth thread often act as though it's entirely the manager's fault for not integrating them and that it's never that the player could do more himself. Almost that guys like Edwards, Onomah etc have just a right to be in the first team squad due to being from the academy and somewhat talented.
