Season Ticket Renewal Thread (Read first post)

southlondonyiddo · Mar 13, 2018

Hengy1 said:
Personally I think they just facked up the south stand. Should’ve been between £800-£1200 with none of this 1882 special rubbish.

But it is what it is and hopefully we still get a decent atmosphere

Definitely fucked this end up. Was a great piece of spin by Levy in the mould of Sullivan/Brady/Gold

And to cap it all calling the new corporate lite areas the '1882 club'

The proper noisy original 1882 lot should have been the first asked in with both lower sections right behind the goal full of them at about £800 a pop

thebenjamin · Mar 13, 2018

THFCSPURS19 said:
Great post but to suggest we should follow the German model is absurd. No other club in the Top 6 does that and they're our competition, and at the end of the day, the new stadium's main purposes are to improve the area and to allow us to compete financially with the other clubs, through an increasing wage and transfer budget, so that we win titles on a regular basis. What on earth would be the point of spending a billion quid on the stadium, and then offering kids tickets for £1 and £300 season tickets? I'm not condoning the club pricing fans out of the new stadium, and having looked at the pricing more, they have probably gone over the top, but I understand their reasoning (London, Top 6 club in PL, best stadium in Europe) as to why they were never going to be cheap.

On a personal note, as the Trust said, I think the club should be getting more praise for the Young Adult pricing. I'm not sure I've seen that at other clubs, and it's a huge deal for me. I'm nearly 20, and a student, and I want to have a season ticket for years to come. I'm delighted the club has recognised that those aged 18-21 do not have the financial means of working adults, and have reduced their pricing accordingly - which I was actually surprised by. At the end of the day, those aged 18-21 are the most immediate 'next generation' (sounds dumb) of ST holders and I'm glad they haven't priced us out.

I’m obviously not advocating adopting the German model of ticket pricing overall, just to adopt their philosophy — of valuing your supporters as something more than merely someone to take as much money from as possible until they can no longer pay what you demand, and then replace them with someone richer.

All they had to do was a small increase from whl and more affordable seating in the home end.

markiespurs · Mar 13, 2018

I'm currently in phase 1 but it looks like I'll have to wait until phase 3 to book my seat.

The blokes I sit with have all had ST since the early 90's, but because they rarely go to cup games I've built up a lot more loyalty points than they have, despite only having my season ticket for 14 years.

RichieS · Mar 13, 2018

adamsky said:
I have a dilemma, either put the ST on my Amex and get the air miles, as I did this year, which means letting the wife know exactly what I am paying for the ST, or put on my own card and let her think there was only slight increase. Not sure the air miles are worth the grief.

#firstworldproblems

THFCSPURS19 · Mar 13, 2018

thebenjamin said:
I’m obviously not advocating adopting the German model of ticket pricing overall, just to adopt their philosophy — of valuing your supporters as something more than merely someone to take as much money from as possible until they can no longer pay what you demand, and then replace them with someone richer.

All they had to do was a small increase from whl and more affordable seating in the home end.

Is a small increase really justifiable though? The difference in the stadium quality is monumental - and, of course, we have to pay the stadium off.

thebenjamin · Mar 13, 2018

THFCSPURS19 said:
Is a small increase really justifiable though? The difference in the stadium quality is monumental - and, of course, we have to pay the stadium off.

The difference between a small increase and a big one really isn't worth *that* much to the club. Completely dwarfed by other revenue streams

It's worth an enormous amount to the supporters, however.

They're also backing themselves into a corner. Most expensive season tickets in world football = you'd better pay the top wages and buy the top players, or your 'customers' won't stick around very long.

Especially as lots of people who've stuck by the club during, for example, 10 consecutive seasons finishing outside the top 6, have sadly been priced out.

MyNameIsNicolaBerti · Mar 13, 2018

thebenjamin said:
The difference between a small increase and a big one really isn't worth *that* much to the club. Completely dwarfed by other revenue streams

It's worth an enormous amount to the supporters, however.

They're also backing themselves into a corner. Most expensive season tickets in world football = you'd better pay the top wages and buy the top players, or your 'customers' won't stick around very long.

Especially as lots of people who've stuck by the club during, for example, 10 consecutive seasons finishing outside the top 6, have sadly been priced out.

Yeah, I've heard the "better stadium" argument and I think it's bull. The rise in prices will likely net, what, £10m-£20m extra a year? Hardly mega bucks and people forget that unlike WHL this stadium will be used for many other events. NFL games, concerts and so on that will also earn the club millions per events. So, for me, it just stinks of a typical Levy cynical move of trying to squeeze every last penny out of the fans as per usual, because he knows they'll always be someone ready to pay, despite the fact that right now its not even certain we're going to go into the new stadium with CL qualification, let alone carrying a trophy. Problem is that we know a leopard can't change its spots and we're not going to see Levy spending big on players year after year when we're in the new stadium so I see a serious risk of fan unrest in a few years when they start feeling they're not getting a return on their hard earned investment.

SirHarryHotspur · Mar 13, 2018

Price rises were inevitable ,same thing happened at Arsenal when they built a new ground. Cost of construction has risen, Donna Maria Cullen said last year that Brexit added 20% to some costs . The club has to repay the loan somehow hence higher prices and TV money is going down so we all have to pay .

WiganSpur · Mar 13, 2018

It's just greedy imo and doesn't reward loyal supporters.

Plus, I don't like the fact that the club are prepared to risk empty seats (and therefore a good atmosphere) just for the sake of a few quid.

Yeah yeah we have to pay off the stadium etc. but i'd rather we got sponsors to pay for it rather than screwing over hard working honest supporters.

It's almost as if you have to be rich just to come every week now and I don't really like that if i'm honest. Supporters really shouldn't be priced out of watching Spurs.

Led's Zeppelin · Mar 13, 2018

MyNameIsNicolaBerti said:
Yeah, I've heard the "better stadium" argument and I think it's bull. The rise in prices will likely net, what, £10m-£20m extra a year? Hardly mega bucks and people forget that unlike WHL this stadium will be used for many other events. NFL games, concerts and so on that will also earn the club millions per events. So, for me, it just stinks of a typical Levy cynical move of trying to squeeze every last penny out of the fans as per usual, because he knows they'll always be someone ready to pay, despite the fact that right now its not even certain we're going to go into the new stadium with qualification, let alone carrying a trophy. Problem is that we know a leopard can't change its spots and we're not going to see Levy spending big on players year after year when we're in the new stadium so I see a serious risk of fan unrest in a few years when they start feeling they're not getting a return on their hard earned investment.

I'm no fan of exploitation, but I can't agree that £10-£20m pa is small beer or a sign of penny-pinching. In any financing model that type of revenue is likely to be valued at up to 10X face value, so between £100 & £200m. Possibly more. That's enough to cover 25% of the stadium costs on its own and will probably have been a key condition to securing the level of finance required.

I know lots of people don't believe that Spurs will increase player expenditure in line with revenues, and we'll have to wait and see, but if we want to have any chance of competing at the next level up we have to expect this sort of thing. The realistic alternatives were either a lower-spec stadium which, by the way, would have been no easier to finance because of the reduced revenues it would have generated, or pay for a higher space stadium by reducing the footballing budget, which we should hope the club never took seriously.

I wish it we're possible to follow the German model but it simply isn't, in the UK.

WiganSpur · Mar 13, 2018

I thought the whole point of bargain basement transfer budgets over the last 10 years or so was to be able to help us fund the stadium so we wouldn't have to be doing this to loyal supporters.

Led's Zeppelin · Mar 13, 2018

WiganSpur said:
I thought the whole point of bargain basement transfer budgets over the last 10 years or so was to be able to help us fund the stadium so we wouldn't have to be doing this to loyal supporters.

I think you were wrong to think that.

The whole point of prudent transfer budgets was, apart from being prudent, to demonstrate a sustainable financial condition so as to secure the finances necessary to take the next step upwards.

If the tickets were cheaper, we might be happier for a while but you can absolutely guarantee with certainty that the football would suffer. Not just because the revenues would be lower but because the financing would have been less, so the club would have taken two hits and we know that there's only one place where that money could come from: the football budget, because actually, apart from the stadium, they don't really spend very much anywhere else.

WiganSpur · Mar 13, 2018

thebenjamin said:
The difference between a small increase and a big one really isn't worth *that* much to the club. Completely dwarfed by other revenue streams

It's worth an enormous amount to the supporters, however.

They're also backing themselves into a corner. Most expensive season tickets in world football = you'd better pay the top wages and buy the top players, or your 'customers' won't stick around very long.

Especially as lots of people who've stuck by the club during, for example, 10 consecutive seasons finishing outside the top 6, have sadly been priced out.

Yeah that's probably my main gripe with all this.

It's loads to regular hard working supporters, especially the new generation who have to contend with sky high London rents as well as larger student loan repayments.

It might be a fair amount of money but I reckon it's certainly not going to affect things massively in terms of club finances.

beats1 · Mar 13, 2018

SirHarryHotspur said:
Price rises were inevitable ,same thing happened at Arsenal when they built a new ground. Cost of construction has risen, Donna Maria Cullen said last year that Brexit added 20% to some costs . The club has to repay the loan somehow hence higher prices and TV money is going down so we all have to pay .

The cost of construction has risen but this is hugely offset by the cost of steel dropping compared to when arsenal built their stadium

Led's Zeppelin · Mar 13, 2018

WiganSpur said:
Yeah that's probably my main gripe with all this.

It's loads to regular hard working supporters, especially the new generation who have to contend with sky high London rents as well as larger student loan repayments.

It might be a fair amount of money but I reckon it's certainly not going to affect things massively in terms of club finances.

Yes it will affect things massively in terms of the club's finances.

shelfboy68 · Mar 13, 2018

WiganSpur said:
I thought the whole point of bargain basement transfer budgets over the last 10 years or so was to be able to help us fund the stadium so we wouldn't have to be doing this to loyal supporters.

You can't be serious mate along with arsenal and Chelsea we are the dearest team to watch in the EPL, so it was obvious that we would match or exceed the goons for ticket prices.
Levy is no fool and would have done his research on this long before it's no surprise to me and when I go I will pay the going rate, after all many fans have wanted us to compete and now we are so no complaints and these stadiums don't build themselves.

beats1 · Mar 13, 2018

THFCSPURS19 said:
Great post but to suggest we should follow the German model is absurd. No other club in the Top 6 does that and they're our competition, and at the end of the day, the new stadium's main purposes are to improve the area and to allow us to compete financially with the other clubs, through an increasing wage and transfer budget, so that we win titles on a regular basis. What on earth would be the point of spending a billion quid on the stadium, and then offering kids tickets for £1 and £300 season tickets? I'm not condoning the club pricing fans out of the new stadium, and having looked at the pricing more, they have probably gone over the top, but I understand their reasoning (London, Top 6 club in PL, best stadium in Europe) as to why they were never going to be cheap.

On a personal note, as the Trust said, I think the club should be getting more praise for the Young Adult pricing. I'm not sure I've seen that at other clubs, and it's a huge deal for me. I'm nearly 20, and a student, and I want to have a season ticket for years to come. I'm delighted the club has recognised that those aged 18-21 do not have the financial means of working adults, and have reduced their pricing accordingly - which I was actually surprised by. At the end of the day, those aged 18-21 are the most immediate 'next generation' (sounds dumb) of ST holders and I'm glad they haven't priced us out.

We were the most expensive season ticket in the premier league before our move(technically arsenal was higher but they got more games) and now we have another big increase

WiganSpur · Mar 13, 2018

shelfboy68 said:
You can't be serious mate along with arsenal and Chelsea we are the dearest team to watch in the EPL, so it was obvious that we would match or exceed the goons for ticket prices.
Levy is no fool and would have done his research on this long before it's no surrise to me and when I go I will pay the going rate, after all many fans have wanted us to compete and now we are so no complaints plus these stadiums don't build themselves.

A lot of fans won't have that choice now though. There will be many who would happily pay the going rate if they could actually afford it!

beats1 · Mar 13, 2018

Hengy1 said:
Personally I think they just facked up the south stand. Should’ve been between £800-£1200 with none of this 1882 special rubbish.

But it is what it is and hopefully we still get a decent atmosphere

You will see a lot of peopling paying to be within the atmosphere rather than actually contributing to the atmosphere

The scary thing is that the brochure says 1882 seats are future proofed for standing area, so what are we suggesting, in england we have to pay more to stand up?

beats1 · Mar 13, 2018

shelfboy68 said:
You can't be serious mate along with arsenal and Chelsea we are the dearest team to watch in the EPL, so it was obvious that we would match or exceed the goons for ticket prices.
Levy is no fool and would have done his research on this long before it's no surrise to me and when I go I will pay the going rate, after all many fans have wanted us to compete and now we are so no complaints plus these stadiums don't build themselves.

We have always been more expensive than the goons, as they get 7 cup games included in their season tickets

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