The Mauricio Pochettino thread

rickyhayward · Apr 21, 2018

I think it's about time Poch starts rightly so getting the stick he deserves, how many times does he make the same bloody mistakes with lineups, subs and general tactics? He's proving he's not learning a thing. He's a million miles from being this 'great' manager some like to make out. What has he done, even at Spurs that is so special? Would not have a problem at all if he were to leave, would be a shame in the sense he seems a really nice guy but in the footballing sense we would not be losing out.

dricha1 · Apr 21, 2018

Saoirse said:
Maybe the players would wanna look in the mirror first, cause I don't think a different guy standing on the sidelines would've made much difference to how awfully a number of them performed today.

Been thinking about this and the truth is we buy players just under the elite level. And some of them go on to be elite (Bale, Carrick, Modric) and consequently go on to elite clubs. It’s where Toby, Eriksen, Alli, Kane and Sanchez are heading. The rest aren’t elite club players and is why we always come up short in the games that matter.

THFC_SWE · Apr 21, 2018

Only because Man United spend more on wages and transfer fees, it doesn't mean they have better players than us. How many of their players are better than ours? Is Young better than our left backs? Hell no. Valencia is not much better than Trippier. Would you rather have Smalling and Jones instead of Vertonghen and Sanchez? No. Is Lukaku better than Kane? Don't make me laugh. Or is Lingard better than Son? No. The only players that would improve us is De Gea, Sanchez and maybe Pogba, because he have a lot of potential. Spending a lot of money is not the same as having a better team.

dricha1 · Apr 21, 2018

rickyhayward said:
I think it's about time Poch starts rightly so getting the stick he deserves, how many times does he make the same bloody mistakes with lineups, subs and general tactics? He's proving he's not learning a thing. He's a million miles from being this 'great' manager some like to make out. What has he done, even at Spurs that is so special? Would not have a problem at all if he were to leave, would be a shame in the sense he seems a really nice guy but in the footballing sense we would not be losing out.

Well he’s taken a club with the 6th highest wage bill and almost nil net spend consistently into the top 4. But with regards winning trophies you’re absolutely right.

Not sure Poch has the win at all costs mentality or culture. He deserves at least 2 more seasons and some serious backing but I’m not sure even that’ll be enough...

Love the bloke to bits though.

Saoirse · Apr 21, 2018

THFC_SWE said:
Only because Man United spend more on wages and transfer fees, it doesn't mean they have better players than us. How many of their players are better than ours? Is Young better than our left backs? Hell no. Valencia is not much better than Trippier. Would you rather have Smalling and Jones instead of Vertonghen and Sanchez? No. Is Lukaku better than Kane? Don't make me laugh. Or is Lingard better than Son? No. The only players that would improve us is De Gea, Sanchez and maybe Pogba, because he have a lot of potential. Spending a lot of money is not the same as having a better team.

I think the fallbacks are where the biggest difference is, actually. Valencia and Young are massively underrated because of their past as only decent wingers. But the fact that they're as effective as a winger in attack and also know how to defend is a huge asset - they offer far more than our FBs going forward which presents a different angle to attack.

rocklink · Apr 21, 2018

Hercules said:
We don’t have the Mane’s or Salah’s. fam me, add Chamberlin to that.

We have eriksen, kane, ali, son .. are they not good compared to mane, salah or chamberlin?

Saoirse · Apr 21, 2018

rickyhayward said:
I think it's about time Poch starts rightly so getting the stick he deserves, how many times does he make the same bloody mistakes with lineups, subs and general tactics? He's proving he's not learning a thing. He's a million miles from being this 'great' manager some like to make out. What has he done, even at Spurs that is so special? Would not have a problem at all if he were to leave, would be a shame in the sense he seems a really nice guy but in the footballing sense we would not be losing out.

I wouldn't say there were any obvious mistakes in that lineup though. Possibly Vorm and Kane, but they were very debatable - it's not as though there was a consensus among the rest of us. It came down to fine margins - Kane missing his chance by inches, while a rare individual error from Dembele and a general defensive calamity saw us concede.

rickyhayward · Apr 21, 2018

dricha1 said:
Well he’s taken a club with the 6th highest wage bill and almost nil net spend consistently into the top 4. But with regards winning trophies you’re absolutely right.

Not sure Poch has the win at all costs mentality or culture. He deserves at least 2 more seasons and some serious backing but I’m not sure even that’ll be enough...

Love the bloke to bits though.

The wage call is irrelevant as we know the players quality do not reflect the lesser money they earn compared to others. Poch is managing some very good players, we just can't get over the line and he is a big reason for that. For example, the outrageous comments re how these trophies aren't so important, the poor tactics and subs constantly and of course again, another shocking decision in leaving Lloris and Alderweireld out for such a big game today.

danielneeds · Apr 21, 2018

rocklink said:
We have eriksen, kane, ali, son .. are they not good compared to mane, salah or chamberlin?

I think he means, the way to hurt City is blistering pace on the counter, or closing down their defence, which we don’t have.

ardiles · Apr 21, 2018

Poch is the best manager that we can have (for now, at least) but he's not the finished product yet. I'm confident that he will bring us trophies but before he does that, he has to be aware of his mistakes and improve on that. He can't just keep on playing his favourites when they are off-form and he should utilise other members of our squad against different opponents / opposing tactics when the need arises.

rickyhayward · Apr 21, 2018

Saoirse said:
I wouldn't say there were any obvious mistakes in that lineup though. Possibly Vorm and Kane, but they were very debatable - it's not as though there was a consensus among the rest of us. It came down to fine margins - Kane missing his chance by inches, while a rare individual error from Dembele and a general defensive calamity saw us concede.

The reality is it's a big game, in big games you NEED your best players and Lloris and Toby fit that category, they should have started. How many times without Toby does our defence get exposed for what it is when we play a top team who actually want to attack? We're much more suited to the three at the back with Sanchez shifted out as a right centre back where there is less pressure on him and if he gets caught out position-wise there is someone else to cover him.

Vital mistakes from Poch and being 2-1 down and throwing Wanyama on? How on earth does that actually make any sense?

BujuBanton · Apr 21, 2018

ardiles said:
Poch is the best manager that we can have (for now, at least) but he's not the finished product yet. I'm confident that he will bring us trophies but before he does that, he has to be aware of his mistakes and improve on that. He can't just keep on playing his favourites when they are off-form and he should utilise other members of our squad against different opponents / opposing tactics when the need arises.

Disagree. Anchelotti please

SugarRay · Apr 21, 2018

rocklink said:
We have eriksen, kane, ali, son .. are they not good compared to mane, salah or chamberlin?

I’m assuming Hercules was taking the piss.

We actually have a better side than Liverpool. I know who’d I’d back when it matters though.
There’s a reason why they are in the semi final of champs league and we are petering out to fuck all. They want it more, as a club and as a team. We were pathetic second half tonight.

Saoirse · Apr 21, 2018

rickyhayward said:
The reality is it's a big game, in big games you NEED your best players and Lloris and Toby fit that category, they should have started. How many times without Toby does our defence get exposed for what it is when we play a top team who actually want to attack? We're much more suited to the three at the back with Sanchez shifted out as a right centre back where there is less pressure on him and if he gets caught out position-wise there is someone else to cover him.

Vital mistakes from Poch and being 2-1 down and throwing Wanyama on? How on earth does that actually make any sense?

We had Toby last year and lost 4-2. He's not been in the team much and has refused to sign a contract. What kind of message would it give to Sanchez as a young player who's done well this season if he was dropped for someone who doesn't even want to play for us?

I actually agreed with the Wanyama decision. Dembele looked tired, had had a poor game, and we were struggling to get on the ball at all since Dier had moved to CB.

Graysonti · Apr 21, 2018

Saoirse said:
We had Toby last year and lost 4-2. He's not been in the team much and has refused to sign a contract. What kind of message would it give to Sanchez as a young player who's done well this season if he was dropped for someone who doesn't even want to play for us?

I actually agreed with the Wanyama decision. Dembele looked tired, had had a poor game, and we were struggling to get on the ball at all since Dier had moved to CB.

Agreed - besides our CBs were fine - it was our forward play, Toby would have made no difference.

cozzo · Apr 21, 2018

You guys are crazy! Poch said he would leave once he gets a sniff of fans not wanting him. Watch this space...

jurgen · Apr 21, 2018

dricha1 said:
Well he’s taken a club with the 6th highest wage bill and almost nil net spend consistently into the top 4. But with regards winning trophies you’re absolutely right.

Not sure Poch has the win at all costs mentality or culture. He deserves at least 2 more seasons and some serious backing but I’m not sure even that’ll be enough...

Love the bloke to bits though.

His coaching idol has won pretty much dick all which might give a sense as to how he views things?

bat-chain · Apr 21, 2018

Love him

rickyhayward · Apr 21, 2018

Saoirse said:
We had Toby last year and lost 4-2. He's not been in the team much and has refused to sign a contract. What kind of message would it give to Sanchez as a young player who's done well this season if he was dropped for someone who doesn't even want to play for us?

I actually agreed with the Wanyama decision. Dembele looked tired, had had a poor game, and we were struggling to get on the ball at all since Dier had moved to CB.

That previous 4-2 is irrelevant, he's one of the best CB's in the world, play the damn guy. Personal issues are irrelevant, as long as he's a Spurs player, willing to put his all in for the team, he should be played and he's proved he's a professional on the pitch and wants to play.

As for the dropping Sanchez, no that shouldn't happen. We should've had three at the back today, as we always should when all three are fit as we are so much more solid unlike when we have two, we always get exposed against any team happy to attack.

markiespurs · Apr 21, 2018

I love Poch, but for me he ballsed up today by naming Vorm instead of Lioris in goal.

I rate Vorm and get why Poch started him out of loyalty to a keeper who started the previous rounds. But to drop not only your first choice keeper, but Captain as well, for a cup semi final, sends out the wrong message.

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