The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Gassin's finest · May 9, 2018

tototoner said:
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/...dio-ranieri-tottenham-hotspur-manager-1544069

Claudio Ranieri linked with Tottenham in strangest transfer rumour of season

Former Leicester City boss Claudio Ranieri has been linked with a shock move to Tottenham. Yes, Tottenham.

In what is perhaps the strangest piece of transfer gossip in a while, French publication Presse Ocean claim Ranieri is in talks with Spurs to take over from Mauricio Pochettino in the summer.

Ranieri is currently in charge of French club Nantes, where he is in the midst of a poor run of seven games without a win in Ligue 1, following a 2-0 defeat to Montpellier.

The Italian is under contract at Nantes until the end of next season, but looks ever likely to be leaving this summer following a spat with the club’s president, who accused Ranieri of being “unprofessional”.

Ranieri responded by daring Nantes to sack him.

Cue reports Ranieri is in talks with Spurs, the club which he saw off with ease in leading Leicester to the Premier League title two seasons ago.

Current boss Pochettino sparked speculation of his own that he may leave the London club this summer, stating Tottenham need time to build “with me or another”.

While no one in their right mind can see this move ever happening, if Ranieri does join Spurs, they will finally have the experience of someone who has managed to win some silverware.

I will officially return my season ticket and go watch Brentford instead.

Johnny J · May 9, 2018

Trix said:
All games whatever our position should be treated as must win. They might have lesser consequences if we don't but the mentality has to be to do everything possible to win every game. If we go into this last two games thinking a draw and a win is enough, then it will be an awful lot harder IMO.

This. United under Ferguson didn't always have the best players, but they without question had the best mentality. They never knew when they were beaten and they expected to win every game.

jurgen · May 9, 2018

We shouldn’t be surprised as earlier in Poch’s tenure he was supposedly close to the sack and some people on here were baying for his head on a spike despite the fact the poor sod had just gone through the standard ‘you can have any player except the one you want’ transfer window.. he turned it round and we got significantly better..

lukespurs7 · May 9, 2018

yankspurs said:
Wait. We’re back on this gives youth a chance thing? Thought we killed that a while ago?

He really doesnt. Unfortunately, thats just the truth.

Mason, Bentaleb, Foyth, Alli, Dier, Kane

lukespurs7 · May 9, 2018

Johnny J said:
This. United under Ferguson didn't always have the best players, but they without question had the best mentality. They never knew when they were beaten and they expected to win every game.

I think they build that mentality by winning things. And also Ferguson instilled it in the club and his teams. Poch has done amazing but he also plays things down a bit whereas perhaps he needs to be a little more bullish.

lukespurs7 · May 9, 2018

Hercules said:
We tend to as supporters underestimate how fortunate we are to gave him

He’s done phenomenally well to improve us in so so many areas on a comparatively much smaller budget and resources vs the other top5/6 clubs, no other manager in the last 30years has improved us this much and made us consistently as competitive in the league. The league is wayyyy harder now with all the money, I fully believe if this was say 20,15 or even 10 years ago and he’d taken over with the chance to build a squad with a decent budget he’d have won us a league and probably other trophies by now.

Gassin's finest · May 9, 2018

lukespurs7 said:
He’s done phenomenally well to improve us in so so many areas on a comparatively much smaller budget and resources vs the other top5/6 clubs, no other manager in the last 30years has improved us this much and made us consistently as competitive in the league. The league is wayyyy harder now with all the money, I fully believe if this was say 20,15 or even 10 years ago and he’d taken over with the chance to build a squad with a decent budget he’d have won us a league and probably other trophies by now.

I firmly believe we will be winning things within the next 5 years if we trust him and back him.

Gassin's finest · May 9, 2018

lukespurs7 said:
Mason, Bentaleb, Foyth, Alli, Dier, Kane

...Winks, Carroll, Rose...

Mullers · May 9, 2018

lukespurs7 said:
He’s done phenomenally well to improve us in so so many areas on a comparatively much smaller budget and resources vs the other top5/6 clubs, no other manager in the last 30years has improved us this much and made us consistently as competitive in the league. The league is wayyyy harder now with all the money, I fully believe if this was say 20,15 or even 10 years ago and he’d taken over with the chance to build a squad with a decent budget he’d have won us a league and probably other trophies by now.

In the 98-99 season the top 4 were Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds. Only top 3 qualified in those days, West Ham were 5th, Aston Villa 6th with Liverpool a point behind in 7th place.

In 2004-05

Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U, Everton, Liverpool all qualified for the CL. Bolton finished 6th, Middlesbrough 7th with Man City 3 points behind in 8th.

2010-11
Man U, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal with ourselves in 5th place and Liverpool 6th, Everton 7th.

It's all swings and roundabouts of course, but I'd suggest the league is less competitive than it was.

There is no Fergie anymore, Arsenal have ceased to be league challengers a long time ago, Villa aren't in the prem, West Ham are shit, there is 4 qualifying places for the CL.

Poch has done great but I'm not buying the fact that he would have won trophies back in the day, it's not about budget, the team are good enough to win trophies now, we need the mentality to get over the final line and that's something which as been lacking for decades

Donki · May 9, 2018

Gassin's finest said:
It's not about comparing, it's about giving a benchmark for what mediocrity is. Mid table for a decade is mediocrity. Finishing 3rd is excellent.

We can’t compare our expectations 15 years ago with what our expectations now should be. We have been finishing top four now for a good few seasons. We should be aiming higher now than simply finishing top four if we don’t, we will regress it’s that simple. If we finish as is this season, it’s satisfactory not an inch more. We can’t claim to have world class players and manager with arguably the best first 11 in the land and say forth is fine, it doesn’t make sense.

Gassin's finest · May 9, 2018

Donki said:
We can’t compare our expectations 15 years ago with what our expectations now should be. We have been finishing top four now for a good few seasons. We should be aiming higher now than simply finishing top four if we don’t, we will regress it’s that simple. If we finish as is this season, it’s satisfactory not an inch more. We can’t claim to have world class players and manager with arguably the best first 11 in the land and say forth is fine, it doesn’t make sense.

3rd is still excellent and never mediocre by any margin. Which was the original point.

lukespurs7 · May 9, 2018

Mullers said:
In the 98-99 season the top 4 were Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds. Only top 3 qualified in those days, West Ham were 5th, Aston Villa 6th with Liverpool a point behind in 7th place.

In 2004-05

Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U, Everton, Liverpool all qualified for the CL. Bolton finished 6th, Middlesbrough 7th with Man City 3 points behind in 8th.

2010-11
Man U, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal with ourselves in 5th place and Liverpool 6th, Everton 7th.

It's all swings and roundabouts of course, but I'd suggest the league is less competitive than it was.

There is no Fergie anymore, Arsenal have ceased to be league challengers a long time ago, Villa aren't in the prem, West Ham are shit, there is 4 qualifying places for the CL.

Poch has done great but I'm not buying the fact that he would have won trophies back in the day, it's not about budget, the team are good enough to win trophies now, we need the mentality to get over the final line and that's something which as been lacking for decades

I’d argue there are now 5/6 top teams and one of those is on another level. 20 yrs ago there were only 2/3 top teams, always a huge gap to the rest.

Donki · May 9, 2018

Gassin's finest said:
3rd is still excellent and never mediocre by any margin. Which was the original point.

I agree it’s not mediocre but our performance in the cups is not what it should be on a performance level. We didn’t turn up in the first half against Juve or in the FA Cup semi, and hat worries me. We have players such as Kane, Eriksen, Hugo, who are coming to their peak we can’t think these guys don’t want silverware they only get one career. We are lucky they have stayed and have accepted our financial situation and also bout into Poch’s project.

Mullers · May 9, 2018

lukespurs7 said:
I’d argue there are now 5/6 top teams and one of those is on another level. 20 yrs ago there were only 2/3 top teams, always a huge gap to the rest.

What is your definition of a top team?

Gassin's finest · May 9, 2018

Donki said:
I agree it’s not mediocre but our performance in the cups is not what it should be on a performance level. We didn’t turn up in the first half against Juve or in the FA Cup semi, and hat worries me. We have players such as Kane, Eriksen, Hugo, who are coming to their peak we can’t think these guys don’t want silverware they only get one career. We are lucky they have stayed and have accepted our financial situation and also bout into Poch’s project.

Yes, but we were talking about the league.

Donki · May 9, 2018

Gassin's finest said:
Yes, but we were talking about the league.

I think you need to look at a season overall you can’t analyse each competition separately as each influence the other.

Zippy1980 · May 9, 2018

All those who are in doubt Poch is the right man to lead us ahead need their heads examined.

Gassin's finest · May 9, 2018

Donki said:
I think you need to look at a season overall you can’t analyse each competition separately as each influence the other.

I agree. I still don't think finishing top 3 in (touch wood) 3 seasons and 2 semi final appearances and a final is mediocre. I think that's pretty damn good, and demonstrable progress.

Shadydan · May 9, 2018

This season has been his greatest 'achievement' thus far IMO

Sevens · May 9, 2018

lukespurs7 said:
He’s done phenomenally well to improve us in so so many areas on a comparatively much smaller budget and resources vs the other top5/6 clubs, no other manager in the last 30years has improved us this much and made us consistently as competitive in the league. The league is wayyyy harder now with all the money, I fully believe if this was say 20,15 or even 10 years ago and he’d taken over with the chance to build a squad with a decent budget he’d have won us a league and probably other trophies by now.

I'm not sure that is accurate. I actually hate the narrative that we have this weak underbelly and that every year someone in the media states "the Tottenham of old would have lost this". We have been a very good team for a long time now. We've finished twice outside of the top six in the last twelve years. In the last twelve years we've finished in the top four? Five times.

There is no doubt Poch has done a great job but it's not as if he has dragged us from mid-table nobodies to top four regulars. And you have to take into consideration the state of the league too. And to disagree again there is no doubt in my mind that the league isn't anywhere near as strong as it was six or seven years ago. Leicester winning the league proved that. But IMHO there have been better Liverpool teams than this one that failed to get top four and this is a poor Utd team and they're going to finish 2nd.

That said, there is no one I'd rather manage Spurs at the moment than Poch. But he has a lot of flaws still and what concerns me is that he doesn't appear to be learning from them. This Spurs team was good enough to win the Premier League in the two preceding years to this one but we started the seasons off slowly and could never catch up (not just Poch's fault, Levy's leave it until the end transfer policy has cost many a manager). But we didn't win the league. In fact, we didn't win anything. Whilst he should be safe in the job he should certainly be feeling the pressure and should also be more aware that the fans do care about finishing above Arsenal and winning the FA Cup, even if he doesn't.

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