The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Deleted member 27995 · May 9, 2018

The time to back him is now.

Sevens · May 9, 2018

Shadydan said:
This season has been his greatest 'achievement' thus far IMO

Have to wait until the end of the season. On paper we are better than Utd and Liverpool. In fact I'd say we are significantly superior to both. If we finish below Utd you can say they've had a great season despite having an uninspiring team. If we finish below Liverpool it means we have slipped below two other challengers despite having better players and are arguably only in the top four because Chelsea completely imploded.

Shadydan · May 9, 2018

Sevens said:
Have to wait until the end of the season. On paper we are better than Utd and Liverpool. In fact I'd say we are significantly superior to both. If we finish below Utd you can say they've had a great season despite having an uninspiring team. If we finish below Liverpool it means we have slipped below two other challengers despite having better players and are arguably only in the top four because Chelsea completely imploded.

We don't really, we'd have taken top 4, 2nd rd of the CL and a cup semi before the season started. When people were having their meltdowns in July with everyone else spending money and we were 'standing still' no-one can say that he hasn't done well this season whether we finish 3rd or 4th.

Haddock · May 9, 2018

Sevens said:
... On paper we are better than Utd and Liverpool. In fact I'd say we are significantly superior to both. ....

Really?

Sevens · May 9, 2018

Shadydan said:
We don't really, we'd have taken top 4, 2nd rd of the CL and a cup semi before the season started. When people were having their meltdowns in July with everyone else spending money and we were 'standing still' no-one can say that he hasn't done well this season whether we finish 3rd or 4th.

You may have taken it, I wouldn't have. We were the best team over two years before this season. And for 4 months of this season we had the best record too. This team is good enough to challenge for the title and certainly good enough to win domestic cups.

But that won't last. We are somewhat there because the other "big" clubs are well under par at the moment. If they get their act together we will struggle to keep up. The last few seasons have been golden ones but I'd also say that since 12/13 season it's frustrating that we haven't been able to take advantage of how good we are (and the fact that there currently are no superpowers within our game, although this could be the start of something for City) and bloody win something.

g_harry · May 9, 2018

Yes he has his faults, but my god he has done a massive job with our great club. I hope he stays and gets the backing he know deserves by bringing champions league to the new stadium. Amazing acheivement.

Cravenspurs · May 9, 2018

He has been a transcendent figure at the club since his arrival and with proper backing he could/should bring us into the upper echelon.

This year there were many a tests and we reached new levels of success in some realms, but whether it was by choice or necessity, I feel we took a step back aesthetically. That could be down to the departure of a RB that gave us real pace. That could be down to a different formation deployed, but either way, we were not the most exciting team to watch for sizable portions of the season. The big boys got our best (bar Man City), but there were too many games where quality was lacking all over the pitch.

Things I want to see improve:

- Displays against the lower level teams. Our record is good for the most part, but there are too many times where we just walk out and expect to win and it turns into a grind. That starts with Poch.

- A midfield that moves the ball. Poch loves his brute muscle, but to reach the next level we have to get some players in that want to move the ball fluidly. Only if we could clone Eriksen 5 times over.

- This season saw way more spursy moments then the prior two IMO and that needs to be ironed out. Belief seemed to waffle hear and there.

Shadydan · May 9, 2018

Sevens said:
You may have taken it, I wouldn't have. We were the best team over two years before this season. And for 4 months of this season we had the best record too. This team is good enough to challenge for the title and certainly good enough to win domestic cups.

But that won't last. We are somewhat there because the other "big" clubs are well under par at the moment. If they get their act together we will struggle to keep up. The last few seasons have been golden ones but I'd also say that since 12/13 season it's frustrating that we haven't been able to take advantage of how good we are (and the fact that there currently are no superpowers within our game, although this could be the start of something for City) and bloody win something.

We were the best team who moved stadium and lost the league's best full backs and the best defender in the Prem for the majority of the season.

This team may have been good enough to challenge for the title last season but Man City raised the bar to a ridiculous level, we went backwards a bit hence why we're 20 odd points behind them, this City team have been arguably the best team the Prem has seen, we've got some work to do to get anywhere near and they're only going to get stronger next season. You're right, four months we had an excellent record which is a testament to the manager's ability to coach this team, in that time City's record was more or less the same and we couldn't close the gap, that's the sort of level we're dealing with here.

I'd say that the other big clubs are starting to get it together in terms of their recruitment but Arsenal and Chelsea under-achieving isn't our fault, all we can do is take advantage and we have done. This season for us was the ultimate test for Poch with all the player unrest and the Wembley thing, I'd say he's done a brilliant job once again and only really missing is a trophy which is disappointing but nonetheless I'm happy with how things have panned out.

yankspurs · May 9, 2018

The man just got us Champions League in 37 games when we're playing 38 straight games away from home. Back him please. And I want to go home now. Thanks.

rossdapep · May 9, 2018

Sevens said:
You may have taken it, I wouldn't have. We were the best team over two years before this season. And for 4 months of this season we had the best record too. This team is good enough to challenge for the title and certainly good enough to win domestic cups.

But that won't last. We are somewhat there because the other "big" clubs are well under par at the moment. If they get their act together we will struggle to keep up. The last few seasons have been golden ones but I'd also say that since 12/13 season it's frustrating that we haven't been able to take advantage of how good we are (and the fact that there currently are no superpowers within our game, although this could be the start of something for City) and bloody win something.

They already have!! Our first 11 is good enough but that's where it ends, and we've been without so many key players due to injury and the Wembley pitch has been a hinderance too, these aren't excuses, they are facts. We certainly stood still in the transfer market but we also don't have the reaches to buy who we want, it may change this summer to a degree but all we can do is hang around for long enough and keep being smart.

morris25 · May 9, 2018

He needs new players, our team looks weak.
2 x ACM
CB
LB
RB
Striker

lukespurs7 · May 9, 2018

Sevens said:
I'm not sure that is accurate. I actually hate the narrative that we have this weak underbelly and that every year someone in the media states "the Tottenham of old would have lost this". We have been a very good team for a long time now. We've finished twice outside of the top six in the last twelve years. In the last twelve years we've finished in the top four? Five times.

There is no doubt Poch has done a great job but it's not as if he has dragged us from mid-table nobodies to top four regulars. And you have to take into consideration the state of the league too. And to disagree again there is no doubt in my mind that the league isn't anywhere near as strong as it was six or seven years ago. Leicester winning the league proved that. But IMHO there have been better Liverpool teams than this one that failed to get top four and this is a poor Utd team and they're going to finish 2nd.

That said, there is no one I'd rather manage Spurs at the moment than Poch. But he has a lot of flaws still and what concerns me is that he doesn't appear to be learning from them. This Spurs team was good enough to win the Premier League in the two preceding years to this one but we started the seasons off slowly and could never catch up (not just Poch's fault, Levy's leave it until the end transfer policy has cost many a manager). But we didn't win the league. In fact, we didn't win anything. Whilst he should be safe in the job he should certainly be feeling the pressure and should also be more aware that the fans do care about finishing above Arsenal and winning the FA Cup, even if he doesn't.

Disagree on so many levels sorry mate

lukespurs7 · May 9, 2018

morris25 said:
He needs new players, our team looks weak.
2 x ACM
CB
LB
RB
Striker

Most importantly a creative CM or 2 if Winks is fucked.
The others aren’t priority.

morris25 · May 9, 2018

lukespurs7 said:
Most importantly a creative CM or 2 if Winks is fucked.
The others aren’t priority.

Davies and trippier not good enough to start. Dembele, riseand alderwield want to leave. We want rid of sissoko amd lamela. All these need replacing with top players

lukespurs7 · May 9, 2018

morris25 said:
Davies and trippier not good enough to start. Dembele, riseand alderwield want to leave. We want rid of sissoko amd lamela. All these need replacing with top players

I completely agree but CM is priority.

This order:
CM
REPLACE FOR TOBY AND ROSE
AM
Back up ST
better RB than Aurier

Sevens · May 9, 2018

Shadydan said:
We were the best team who moved stadium and lost the league's best full backs and the best defender in the Prem for the majority of the season.

This team may have been good enough to challenge for the title last season but Man City raised the bar to a ridiculous level, we went backwards a bit hence why we're 20 odd points behind them, this City team have been arguably the best team the Prem has seen, we've got some work to do to get anywhere near and they're only going to get stronger next season. You're right, four months we had an excellent record which is a testament to the manager's ability to coach this team, in that time City's record was more or less the same and we couldn't close the gap, that's the sort of level we're dealing with here.

I'd say that the other big clubs are starting to get it together in terms of their recruitment but Arsenal and Chelsea under-achieving isn't our fault, all we can do is take advantage and we have done. This season for us was the ultimate test for Poch with all the player unrest and the Wembley thing, I'd say he's done a brilliant job once again and only really missing is a trophy which is disappointing but nonetheless I'm happy with how things have panned out.

I have to admit I never rated Walker. IMO he isn't the best right back in the league.

Alderweireld and Rose were "injured" for a lot of the season but when fit it's clear they have been somewhat frozen out.

This City team is nowhere near the best team the Prem has seen. It's just got no competition. The league has certainly been much better post-Fergie in terms of unpredictability.

Build a best XI and subs bench, in terms of ability, from the teams 2nd to 6th in the Prem this year. I'd be interested in seeing what you get.

But I do agree Poch has done a brilliant job and as I stated elsewhere I wouldn't swap him. But he is far from perfect. And I am not just talking about our generally not every entertaining style of play either. I am talking about the fact he makes a lot of mistakes and my concern is he was making those same mistakes the first season he joined. He needs to step up for us to compete. Because the players he already has are good enough to do so. And they're not.

lukespurs7 · May 9, 2018

Shadydan said:
We were the best team who moved stadium and lost the league's best full backs and the best defender in the Prem for the majority of the season.

This team may have been good enough to challenge for the title last season but Man City raised the bar to a ridiculous level, we went backwards a bit hence why we're 20 odd points behind them, this City team have been arguably the best team the Prem has seen, we've got some work to do to get anywhere near and they're only going to get stronger next season. You're right, four months we had an excellent record which is a testament to the manager's ability to coach this team, in that time City's record was more or less the same and we couldn't close the gap, that's the sort of level we're dealing with here.

I'd say that the other big clubs are starting to get it together in terms of their recruitment but Arsenal and Chelsea under-achieving isn't our fault, all we can do is take advantage and we have done. This season for us was the ultimate test for Poch with all the player unrest and the Wembley thing, I'd say he's done a brilliant job once again and only really missing is a trophy which is disappointing but nonetheless I'm happy with how things have panned out.

110% this!
More people need to put how well we’ve done into perspective.

Sevens · May 9, 2018

lukespurs7 said:
Most importantly a creative CM or 2 if Winks is fucked.
The others aren’t priority.

I had high hopes for Winks but before his injury he too seemed to have been suckered into our safe way of playing from midfield. When he burst on to the scene he was always looking to go forwards. In the games leading up to his absence it used to infuriate me how often he'd go backwards without being under any pressure.

LDNYid · May 9, 2018

Mauricio... if you’re reading - thank you.

Mr Levy... if you’re reading - cheque book.

Gassin's finest · May 9, 2018

This has been a very difficult season, and we've weathered some storms. The second half was so superior to the first this evening, it felt a change has occured. I'm very positive ahead of Leicester now.

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