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Pellshek

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I can see where Arse are coming from in all honesty.

A big, splashy name like Allegri, Simeone or Enrique falling flat on their faces would cause several seasons of disruption at the club. A Fergie-Moyes kind of situation. Allegri and Simeone's football is also highly negative, which is not something that'd set pulses racing, and may not be ideal in the PL. To boot, both seem emotionally committed to staying one more season where they are. You don't want to prize them away reluctantly - you want them to come enthusiastically or not at all.

As for Enrique, I'm always suspicious of managers who've only been successful with their former clubs - that success may be down to personal chemistry that doesn't transfer to another club.

With Arteta, you're taking a different kind of chance. If he works out, you may have a new Wenger. If he fails, fine, Allegri and Simeone will still be there next season, and you haven't gone through the trauma of sacking - or sticking with - a big name who's struggling. It's far easier to sack Arteta than Allegri. And going from Arteta > Allegri makes a lot more sense than going from Allegri > Arteta.

Honestly, I'd be tempted by Arteta if I were them, assuming all the behind-the-scenes talk of how sharp he is is true.
 

hellava_tough

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It won't matter who they get as manager if the board doesn't back him in the transfer market

And I have my suspicions that their current board are a bunch of tightwads

But we'll see I guess
 

nailsy

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Allegri says he's staying at Juventus..........


Juventus manager Massimiliano Allegri has played down reports that he is to leave the Italian club.
The Italian has been repeatedly linked with replacing Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, who is leaving the Gunners after almost 22 years in charge.
"If they don't fire me, then I think I'm staying at Juventus next year too," said Allegri.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44105820
 
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hellava_tough

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Allegria says he's staying at Juventus..........


Juventus manager Massimiliano Allegri has played down reports that he is to leave the Italian club.
The Italian has been repeatedly linked with replacing Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, who is leaving the Gunners after almost 22 years in charge.
"If they don't fire me, then I think I'm staying at Juventus next year too," said Allegri.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44105820

Cool

So who's left on the short-list?
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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Don't ask me how i'm privvy to Arsenal ITK but I am but pinch of salt etc.

Arteta was at Highbury today to have formal discussions about becoming the Arsenal manager.

David Dein was heard saying to Arteta: "Mikel, thank you for your part in infiltrating Pep Guardiola's inner circle. You must have learnt a lot from him."

Arteta apparently replied: "Yes, Meeser Dein, I have learnt how to win the league like Pep."

Dein was shocked; "And how do we do that then?"

Arteta: "I will need half a billion pounds."
 

Disconosebleed

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Massive fan of this casual dig from The Guardian in their player of the season article.

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spursfan77

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I can see where Arse are coming from in all honesty.

A big, splashy name like Allegri, Simeone or Enrique falling flat on their faces would cause several seasons of disruption at the club. A Fergie-Moyes kind of situation. Allegri and Simeone's football is also highly negative, which is not something that'd set pulses racing, and may not be ideal in the PL. To boot, both seem emotionally committed to staying one more season where they are. You don't want to prize them away reluctantly - you want them to come enthusiastically or not at all.

As for Enrique, I'm always suspicious of managers who've only been successful with their former clubs - that success may be down to personal chemistry that doesn't transfer to another club.

With Arteta, you're taking a different kind of chance. If he works out, you may have a new Wenger. If he fails, fine, Allegri and Simeone will still be there next season, and you haven't gone through the trauma of sacking - or sticking with - a big name who's struggling. It's far easier to sack Arteta than Allegri. And going from Arteta > Allegri makes a lot more sense than going from Allegri > Arteta.

Honestly, I'd be tempted by Arteta if I were them, assuming all the behind-the-scenes talk of how sharp he is is true.

I get where you're coming from but its a massive job for whoever comes in and Arteta has never been a manager before. Plus he's played with some of the players there. Would he get respect because of either of those 2 things? Im not so sure.

Plus is he draw to a club outside the champions league who need to sign good players to get them back into it. They could offer massive wages I guess but so can 5 other clubs.

Their fans will have a meltdown whoever it is if they don't get off to a flying start anyway. So that will be fun to watch.
 

Spurs 1961

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Don't ask me how i'm privvy to Arsenal ITK but I am but pinch of salt etc.

Arteta was at Highbury today to have formal discussions about becoming the Arsenal manager.

David Dein was heard saying to Arteta: "Mikel, thank you for your part in infiltrating Pep Guardiola's inner circle. You must have learnt a lot from him."

Arteta apparently replied: "Yes, Meeser Dein, I have learnt how to win the league like Pep."

Dein was shocked; "And how do we do that then?"

Arteta: "I will need half a billion pounds."

That of course is just the money for next season!
 

whitesocks

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I... Allegri and Simeone's football is also highly negative, which is not something that'd set pulses racing, and may not be ideal in the PL. ...
Negative football suits arsenal down to the ground. 1-0 to the arsenal runs in their blood.
They tolerated Wenger with his fast, attacking, progressive football, because of the trophies in the early days and finishing above us year after year, but once we finished above them, they were all howling for him to go.
Surely fans who just appreciate good football would shrug off their away results and just enjoy all the pretty passing patterns. Ozil might not run, but he'll see a passing angle no-one else in the world would see. The results would eventually come again, wouldn't they?

The pundits think arsenal need to provide exciting football, but there is no real desire for this - at board level or the traditional fan level either - they have never cared about this. They just want results. Pullis or Fat Sam are natural fits.
 

jurgen

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Negative football suits arsenal down to the ground. 1-0 to the arsenal runs in their blood.
They tolerated Wenger with his fast, attacking, progressive football, because of the trophies in the early days and finishing above us year after year, but once we finished above them, they were all howling for him to go.
Surely fans who just appreciate good football would shrug off their away results and just enjoy all the pretty passing patterns. Ozil might not run, but he'll see a passing angle no-one else in the world would see. The results would eventually come again, wouldn't they?

The pundits think arsenal need to provide exciting football, but there is no real desire for this - at board level or the traditional fan level either - they have never cared about this. They just want results. Pullis or Fat Sam are natural fits.

It's a completely new generation now. Entitled kids on social media called M3SUT$Niper69xx or 0ZilG0DDD or WelbzGangst$ or ±W1LSH£RESD3ViatedSepTUM± who have no idea what 1-0 arsenal was.
 

'O Zio

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Basically everywhere, perhaps with the exception of striker. They've got so many bang average players in that squad tehy need a complete overhaul. One of the main problems is going to be Ozil. Just not got the mentality or attitude required and is clearly just happy to collect his money every week. I think offloading him is an essential part of the rebuild and getting rid of this "selfie culture" that seems to exist in the current squad. Trouble is, they've just given him an insanely big new contract so I can't imagine anyone will be willing to take him off their hands unless they're prepared to pay most of his wages still.
 

punkisback

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They should just be doing what we did and promoting youth. Youngsters usually have impressive work rates and will actually care for the club.
 

hellava_tough

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Basically everywhere, perhaps with the exception of striker. They've got so many bang average players in that squad tehy need a complete overhaul. One of the main problems is going to be Ozil. Just not got the mentality or attitude required and is clearly just happy to collect his money every week. I think offloading him is an essential part of the rebuild and getting rid of this "selfie culture" that seems to exist in the current squad. Trouble is, they've just given him an insanely big new contract so I can't imagine anyone will be willing to take him off their hands unless they're prepared to pay most of his wages still.

Completely agree re. Ozil and I was surprised that they decided to give such a flaky player a new contract

It was the coward's way out, really; the board were trying to save face (and a complete meltdown from the fans) by not losing BOTH Sanchez and Ozil on frees. As per usual when you take shortcuts in life, you end up paying for it in the long-run

If I were them, I'd U-turn sharply and get rid of him, offering the buying club to pay half his wages

Minimise the damage; you can't have a loser like that moping around the training ground when you're trying to build a squad that can compete!!
 
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