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igijedi hinted that today is another busy day for us in the itk thread, so i think this is probably true
The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018
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igijedi hinted that today is another busy day for us in the itk thread, so i think this is probably true
danielneeds
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I think a 9 man bench, with the extra 2 having to be club trained could be a start. Obviously managers don't have to use them, but at least it would get more kids around the first teams.
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That would only be a token gesture though. As you say the players wouldn't ever be used. It would change nothing.
We need to bring the 25 man limit down and the rest of the squad be made up of academy players. And/or academy players don't count toward the limit.
Westmorlandspur
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When we are out of the EU we may be able to change the rules and have a min of home grown in the match day squad.
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Surely we can kinda do that right now. If the 25 man squad rule were reduced to say 18. And the rest of your players had to be either academy graduates or U21 that would work.
longtimespur
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Not sure if it would be classed as racist or something in the PC world but why can't they bring in a rule stating X number of players from the youth academy must be in the matchday squad. Possibly have 6 or 7 as the number to mitigate actually using them as opposed to being just bench warmers.So if the 11 starters are all non academy then all the bench will need to be.
Think this might help with the introduction of the younger talented players.
It would take some time to work through though as the top teams all have masses of non academy players that have been bought in at some expense. It would certainly help the national teams to widen their pool to pick from.
danielneeds
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This would never happened as the PL markets itself on having the best players in the world.
So if the 11 starters are all non academy then all the bench will need to be.
Think this might help with the introduction of the younger talented players.
It would take some time to work through though as the top teams all have masses of non academy players that have been bought in at some expense. It would certainly help the national teams to widen their pool to pick from.
But if it did, all that would happen is that the likes of City and United would then throw 20m at the best academy kids, and nick them from all the others.
Westmorlandspur
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I tried to find the bundesliga squad rules but couldn’t find anything definite about home grown. Does anyone know the rules. Part of our problem is that the prem lge sees itself as global and wants as many foreign stars as poss to create interest.
IIRC he started very well with Sheff U then his form dropped so they cut his loan short. He then moved to Ipswich which he played well enough for their fans to want him permanently.
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Maybe a minutes quota? So each club has to share at least 1/5th or a quarter of their overall game minutes, over the course of a season, between a minimum of 2-3+ youth players. Just an example but I think something like that could work.
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Not sure a minutes quota is the right way. But being forced to have a smaller assembled squad with an open limit on additional youth players would see you use them more naturally.
loaderspurs
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I think the issue is more that English clubs are just overall much richer than any other league. While clubs in non-English leagues (excluding the big boys) may sign a few foreign players, they can't afford to fill their squad with them, and so they go looking to develop home grown talent and/or buy young guys for cheap who can do a job in the first team. On the other hand you have relegation candidates in the PL who can afford to bring in players from all over the place (just look at Stoke for a perfect example).
Undoubtedly PL clubs consider the commercial aspect of signing a player, but I wouldn't go as far to say they are looking to sign foreign stars just for the sake of being global. There seems to be an overall approach that it is easier/ more effective to bring in a foreign player who has been playing first team football than taking the risk and spending the time required to bring through an academy player. It all boils down to the argument we've all had before, that the insecure nature of being a manager in the PL means a manager is pretty much always going to do what gets him the best results right now, as opposed to what will be best in 3 years time. 95% of the time they are not going to take the risk of involving youth players on a regular/ semi-regular basis unless they have a very supportive chairman that makes them feel secure enough that they won't lose their job if the risk doesn't pay off and the club drops points because of it. We've all seen the difference 1, 3, 5 point can make in this league, and managers' jobs can depend on those points.
WiganSpur
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Yeah I think the 25 number is too high but it should definitely be something brought down gradually rather than straight away. Maybe you go from 25 to 24 then 22 then eventually to 20 or something.
I think 20 players is fair enough, with a certain number of exemptions for British and Irish players as well as unlimited exemptions for club trained players.
I think 20 players is fair enough, with a certain number of exemptions for British and Irish players as well as unlimited exemptions for club trained players.
I actually think the best way to get clubs to play their young English players would be some greater competition for their signatures from clubs abroad. Build a clear pathway for talent or risk losing it - hopefully it would kick start this philosophy.
Here's a crazy idea - why not get rid of all the homegrown requirements in squads?
As of right now, teams will buy up mediocre English players to fill bench spots, and rarely does the rule lead to youngsters being brought through. However, it also drives up the value of English players to ridiculous levels, which means they rarely, if ever, go abroad.
So why not remove those rules, and let English players start going abroad more often, where they'll get more chances?
Edit: It has occurred to me that I'm now the Ayn Rand of football. Damn it.
As of right now, teams will buy up mediocre English players to fill bench spots, and rarely does the rule lead to youngsters being brought through. However, it also drives up the value of English players to ridiculous levels, which means they rarely, if ever, go abroad.
So why not remove those rules, and let English players start going abroad more often, where they'll get more chances?
Edit: It has occurred to me that I'm now the Ayn Rand of football. Damn it.
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UncleFool
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Despite the (potential) harm it may do us, I actually applaud these youngsters who are taking the chance to expand their horizons beyond youth team football and seek competitive, first team football abroad. There has been much finger-pointing at young British talent not venturing beyond these shores: well not any more. Every other nation has young players playing abroad - often joining English and other top European clubs - so I don't see why our players should be any different. This is a fresh concept for us and the clubs to grasp. Perhaps it will shake the English clubs, who are not giving young talent the opportunity, into changing their ways...?
LexingtonSpurs
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I do find it interesting that CCV seems to be held in such low regard amongst many Spurs supporters. He arguably had the best season among the players loaned to Championship teams, yet, everyone seems willing to write him off, while still expecting Onomah and Edwards to be future stars for Spurs.
