The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Univarn · May 31, 2018

L-man said:

Yep seems the Spurs PR team are getting out there and doing their work. Would rather the company line be "He is not leaving and is excited to lead us into the new stadium" rather than "no release cause or verbal agreement".

tiger666 · May 31, 2018

Everlasting Seconds said:
You just enjoy disagreeing with me for the sake of it. Which I in turn enjoy, because then I know I'm right.

It's not for the sake of it. I disagree with you.

JayB · May 31, 2018

lazypoodle said:
I don't know what you've read on this to suggest he has a buyout clause, but a contract can be written such that without agreement from one party, the other party can not engage in work for a competitor. We don't know the terms of this contract Poch signed. Assuming RM can just buy the contract out for the £42.5m is a really big assumption.

This is why I think there is no gentleman's agreement. If Poch needed a contractual reassurance that he could leave for PSG or RM, DL could easily insert such a buyout clause that stipulates those specific organizations with an outlandish buyout clause, and no buyout clause for any other organization. There doesn't need to be "an understanding", there can be agreed to terms that then support such an understanding.

A contract can have all manner of stipulations and requirements in it. Anything that is not specified in the contract will mean Spurs have exclusive rights to work in football as a manager with no way out other than agreement from the club for transfer, based on what Levy is willing to negotiate.

Losing Pochettino would have substantial financial penalties for Spurs going into the new stadium. Ones that I believe are so severe, that the negative impacts of letting him go to RM are such that it would be worth forcing Pochettino to do nothing for 5 years if he refused to manage the club after making this agreement.

If Poch leaves, the money from RM will be enough and more to offset the financial damages of letting him leave. This means accounting for the damages of losing your stars, harming your growing fan base (both domestic and internationally) and right when you're about to take on a major market risk with one of the newest, greatest stadiums ever built.

You know what? Forget the willingness, the dreams, the desires, the interest. Re-reading what I've written here, the reason I don't see Pochettino to Real Madrid? I don't think Real Madrid can afford to pay Spurs the cost of losing Mauricio Pochettino this summer.

I may be wrong about this, I certainly don't know anything about UK contract law, but if I'm not mistaken the most we can hold out for is the total value of the contract, which would be 42.5 million. Either that or we can hold Poch hostage and refuse him the dream of every South American footballer, and prevent him from reaching the pinnacle of his profession. Let's not pretend there wouldn't be negative ramifications from that either.

Ultimately if he wants to go we won't have much choice in the matter, unless we want to leave ourselves hamstrung in every player and manager contract negotiation for the rest of time. Our best bet is to convince him to stay, not to try to hold him against his will.

robertgoulet · May 31, 2018

agrdavidsfan said:
But to me it’s logical he really is the only stand out candidate

The other option is Wenger and wait until poch is available

eh? Low, Klopp, Conte, Allegri are all at least as good, if not better, options.

PhezTHFC · May 31, 2018

Wow some people really need to grow up....

St José Dominguez · May 31, 2018

I'm surprised they've wanted him so much. No slight on his ability but he's a horrible fit. He's got no history of winning things, something Madrid demand. He's a long term manager, Madrid is a short term job. The egos that come with Madrid won't buy into his philosophy as they've already done it all. He'll fall out with players left and right. He likes to develop players whereas Madrid buy already developed players who come with ego. He's not an ex Madrid legend who'd give him time.

He'll be coming in with nothing on CV to allow patience, minute he lost a big game fans be wanting him gone. It's never made any sense from their side, I think a Conte type is better for them. Someone who immediately comes in succeeds and then goes after couple of years.

doctor stefan Freud · May 31, 2018

L-man said:

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scat1620 · May 31, 2018

I wish Poch hadn't signed his new contract yet, so I could enjoy him putting all this silliness to bed by signing it tomorrow morning and full-mooning Perez at the press conference.

C0YS · May 31, 2018

agrdavidsfan said:
But to me it’s logical he really is the only stand out candidate

The other option is Wenger and wait until poch is available

Mate there has probably never been a time in my life where o many top managers are available.

Conte, Wenger, Sarri, Anchelotti with allegri also angling for a move and Low probably also available.

I'd say all those choices bar Sarri are better choices when managing a club of ego's. Unless Poch gets backing to do what he wants and remake the team, which under Perez is highly unlikely I highly doubt Poch would be success there. Conte would be my choice if I were Perez, I guess his stock is a bit low at the moment but he is a proven winner and is not a revolutionary systems based coach that Madrid are not suited to.

chinaman · May 31, 2018

scat1620 said:
I wish Poch hadn't signed his new contract yet, so I could enjoy him putting all this silliness to bed by signing it tomorrow morning and full-mooning Perez at the press conference.

Who would want to look at his moon. He only has a footballer's legs.

robertgoulet · May 31, 2018

St José Dominguez said:
I'm surprised they've wanted him so much. No slight on his ability but he's a horrible fit. He's got no history of winning things, something Madrid demand. He's a long term manager, Madrid is a short term job. The egos that come with Madrid won't buy into his philosophy as they've already done it all. He'll fall out with players left and right. He likes to develop players whereas Madrid buy already developed players who come with ego. He's not an ex Madrid legend who'd give him time.

He'll be coming in with nothing on CV to allow patience, minute he lost a big game fans be wanting him gone. It's never made any sense from their side, I think a Conte type is better for them. Someone who immediately comes in succeeds and then goes after couple of years.

Conte is the one that keeps sticking out, to me. Has won, his playing style is good enough to appease the fans. No Poch-sized buy-out.

Everlasting Seconds · May 31, 2018

C0YS said:
I mean you are right, but when was the last time someone left right after signing a contract. Ultimately, its a sign of commitment. It rarely happens that someone leaves in those circumstances. Only reason it should change is if Levy has really shown that he is not prepared or unable to stick to his side of the bargain.

I think that's one reason, yes. The only other reason is that Madrid would pay so much that it ended up making sense to Levy. Which I don't think they will at this point.
But really, what is the big difference? "I signed a contract 2, 3, 4 years ago so I can leave now"/"I signed the exact same type of paper 7 days ago so now I can't leave". It doesn't work like that. That only makes sense to us who are only emotionally invested, looking in from the the outside.

C0YS · May 31, 2018

Univarn said:
I think we're going to ger a lot of he said/she said popping around this

Thats obvious the whole thing is Madrid testing the water, trying to stoke something. Its beneficial for Poch's side even if he does want to stay, gives him more leverage.

Hopefully the reaction will be Levy pulling all the stops to keep Poch happy

agrdavidsfan · May 31, 2018

C0YS said:
Mate there has probably never been a time in my life where o many top managers are available.

Conte, Wenger, Sarri, Anchelotti with allegri also angling for a move and Low probably also available.

I'd say all those choices bar Sarri are better choices when managing a club of ego's. Unless Poch gets backing to do what he wants and remake the team, which under Perez is highly unlikely I highly doubt Poch would be success there. Conte would be my choice if I were Perez, I guess his stock is a bit low at the moment but he is a proven winner and is not a revolutionary systems based coach that Madrid are not suited to.

Ancelotti has a team now does he not?

Sarri is Chelsea bound I believe?

Allegri has confirmed he will stay at juve this coming season?

Low is an interesting shout never ever seems to get linked to managers jobs but is a top class coach,

The other surprise for me is the Valencia coach marcellino is not linked

agrdavidsfan · May 31, 2018

The good thing is this could hugely work in our favour or hugely against us

Could be levy’s way out of spending by letting him go to Madrid so doesn’t have to back him and also pockets huge money and saves on his new pay rise

“We tried everything to keep Mauricio but he simply could not turn down Madrid”

Or it works for us

And levy goes hell for leather and actually backs a manager which would be interesting just can’t see it I don’t trust him

St José Dominguez · May 31, 2018

robertgoulet said:
Conte is the one that keeps sticking out, to me. Has won, his playing style is good enough to appease the fans. No Poch-sized buy-out.

Wonder what Contes relationship with Hazard is like...

lazypoodle · May 31, 2018

agrdavidsfan said:
Ancelotti has a team now does he not?

Sarri is Chelsea bound I believe?

Allegri has confirmed he will stay at juve this coming season?

Low is an interesting shout never ever seems to get linked to managers jobs but is a top class coach,

The other surprise for me is the Valencia coach marcellino is not linked

I'm pretty sure Pochettino signing a five year contract extension is just as, or more meaningful than a not even yet finalized Sarri to Chelsea, or Allegri verbally stating he will stay at Juve. You can't honestly shoot those suggestions down and turn around and suggest Pochettino is somehow more available.

C0YS · May 31, 2018

Everlasting Seconds said:
I think that's one reason, yes. The only other reason is that Madrid would pay so much that it ended up making sense to Levy. Which I don't think they will at this point.
But really, what is the big difference? "I signed a contract 2, 3, 4 years ago so I can leave now"/"I signed the exact same type of paper 7 days ago so now I can't leave". It doesn't work like that. That only makes sense to us who are only emotionally invested, looking in from the the outside.

No, it shows commitment. You don't sign a contract if you're not committed in the short term at least. Nothing about emotional investment just about the logic of signing a contract. Its not like Poch had no idea that big jobs might become available when signing the deal. Again how often do people leave after just signing a contract. Give me some examples then we can talk.

Also, for what its worth Poch can literally resign and move on to Madrid for free if he wanted to. If Poch wants to go and Madrid want him he will go. We have no leverage. Either Madrid pay out the contract or he resigns. Managers arn't like players we really don't have the same kind of power to prevent such things happening.

Nerine · May 31, 2018

I think anyone seriously discussing this is a complete melt of the highest order.

Poch is going nowhere this summer.

Stop shitting your britches.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Bunch of complete nannies.

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journeyman · May 31, 2018

I reckon 40% chance he does this. I’m worried by The Independent’s “sources close to Pochettino”.

Either way, story will run unless or until Poch firmly rules himself out or Real appoint someone else.

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