Danny Rose

danielneeds · Jun 26, 2018

Streetspur77 said:
So poch knew Rose ask going to slag off his teammates and destabilise the club 3 days before the season?

I’d accepted that Rose was just in a very bad place and made a mistake but that’s just weird, why did poch allow that? Especially with the timing and paper of choice, so odd.

In terms of this I really feel for him and he’s clearly a very complex individual with many problems but I just can’t for the life of me see why he needs to keep doing these interviews to the media with sly digs at the club. Speak to your therapist and write as many books as you want when you retire but right now it’s just unprofessional.

I suspect what Herc’s hinting at is that Poch wanted Levy to raise the wage cap, and wasn’t adverse to one of his senior players putting some pressure on him to do so.

I guess Poch’s interviews at the end of the season could also be seen to back this up too.

spursfan77 · Jun 26, 2018

Trix said:
I feel for the boy I really do, but what he said last Summer he was told point blank by his agent not to. I know he's had a rough time but at the end of the day you can't keep running to the press to slag off your employer and not expect consequences.

I also have to wonder if this little episode has anything to do with all the other top end players being offered shiny new contracts and he hasn't???

He’d be one of the last players I’d be offering a new contract to because of that. I like rose too and want him to stay but you can’t do what he did a year ago and be rewarded financially.

sausage · Jun 26, 2018

Maybe it's just media spin (somehow), but I can't interpret this any other way than being a suggestion of bad taste towards the club:

"My agent told me when I was 15, 16, 'you can have all the ability in the world but if you're not mentally strong enough football will swallow you up'.

"For 10, 11 years, I didn't have a clue about what he was talking about. It wasn't until this past year where I've realised exactly what he's meant.

"He's 100 per cent right with what he told me all those years ago."

It reads a bit like either he has crumbled after an injury (which is minimal compared to the likes of Lamela, if we're setting a contrast), or a suggestion that he's been mistreated by the club? Only leftfield alternative is that he read the internet a bit when he was injured and is overly sensitive towards to the aftermath of last summer's interview (as I have the feeling he deleted twitter due to sensitivity towards the comments?).

Not an attempt to have a go at him, but purely to try and understand what he's trying to suggest there. I just don't see this kind of thing being well received by the club, especially at a time when we're surely hunting for good PR and sponsors.

popstar7 · Jun 26, 2018

The whole thing comes across to me as a bit 'yeah, I was an alcoholic for a couple of months but I went to a therapist and I'm fine now'. I'm quite prepared to accept he's suffering from depression. And that that may have been brought on by his injury frustrations, by problems his family are having, problems at THFC or just because he's been hit by the illness without any outside influence at all.

But you don't just get over depression with a couple of months of therapy and a prescription. I don't find the 'yeah, it was shit but I'm better now' thing convincing. Using the national press as a therapist comes across as manipulative to me. I'm not impressed with the soul-baring stuff if it's combined with 'I can't say anything about the club because I'll probably get fined again' and 'being with England has saved my career'.

Ben1 · Jun 27, 2018

Ergh, talk to the right people, danny boy. The media are not the right people, they love him because hes turned into a headline maker-Redknapp style. Theres clearly issues on many levels here and I really hope he sorts it all out, but continually bad mouthing the club in public won't get you much support, in all honesty.

Makkaveli101 · Jun 27, 2018

Just listened to the interview. As someone that has suffered with depression before and known others that have suffered with it - I'm alarmed by the tone of his voice. That tone strikes me as someone that is in a serious state of depression. He sounds almost "stoned", it's that hallmark of deep depression when there is no fight left in you.

I'm shocked that Southgate has included him in the squad when he clearly isn't in the right frame of mind to be there. But ultimately, I'm concerned about his well-being. He sounds confused and dazed in that interview.

I've been one of his biggest critics since the Sun newspaper interview, but I sincerely hope the club and England give this guy the time and help he needs - as I really feel he needs it. The interview comes across like he's drunk and slurring his words. He obviously isn't. He has a mental illness that needs to be treated. Football aside, I feel genuinely sorry for him now. This guy is not well.

Sykes · Jun 27, 2018

Makkaveli101 said:
Just listened to the interview. As someone that has suffered with depression before and known others that have suffered with it - I'm alarmed by the tone of his voice. That tone strikes me as someone that is in a serious state of depression. He sounds almost "stoned", it's that hallmark of deep depression when there is no fight left in you.

I'm shocked that Southgate has included him in the squad when he clearly isn't in the right frame of mind to be there. But ultimately, I'm concerned about his well-being. He sounds confused and dazed in that interview.

I've been one of his biggest critics since the Sun newspaper interview, but I sincerely hope the club and England give this guy the time and help he needs - as I really feel he needs it. The interview comes across like he's drunk and slurring his words. He obviously isn't. He has a mental illness that needs to be treated. Football aside, I feel genuinely sorry for him now. This guy is not well.

I also i feel very let down by Sky Sports running clickbait headlines, the guy has recently admitted to having depression, you would think the media would take more care of how they word these headlines as they can do some serious damage to peoples perception if they dont actually read the article.

spursfan77 · Jun 27, 2018

Makkaveli101 said:
Just listened to the interview. As someone that has suffered with depression before and known others that have suffered with it - I'm alarmed by the tone of his voice. That tone strikes me as someone that is in a serious state of depression. He sounds almost "stoned", it's that hallmark of deep depression when there is no fight left in you.

I'm shocked that Southgate has included him in the squad when he clearly isn't in the right frame of mind to be there. But ultimately, I'm concerned about his well-being. He sounds confused and dazed in that interview.

I've been one of his biggest critics since the Sun newspaper interview, but I sincerely hope the club and England give this guy the time and help he needs - as I really feel he needs it. The interview comes across like he's drunk and slurring his words. He obviously isn't. He has a mental illness that needs to be treated. Football aside, I feel genuinely sorry for him now. This guy is not well.

Maybe he should take an unpaid sabbatical from the sport and get proper help. That might work. He won’t though.

Trix · Jun 27, 2018

spursfan77 said:
He’d be one of the last players I’d be offering a new contract to because of that. I like rose too and want him to stay but you can’t do what he did a year ago and be rewarded financially.

I'd be amazed if he was offered one now. He's certainly done nothing to deserve one.

piedpiper · Jun 27, 2018

Ive always supported Danny Rose... He's outspoken and always came across as self assured.. IF he is harbouring resentment towards the club then perhaps a parting of the ways is best.

I listened to the interview on sky sports that he gave. He spoke more about his illness and how he was coping and for a brief moment he mentioned the kids getting into football.. It didnt come across as slagging off the club. Remember players are friends with players in other clubs so it came across as a general reference.

I always remember when he got a contract renewal and OUR fans laying into him on twitter. That was a low point i believe.

dontcallme · Jun 27, 2018

piedpiper said:
Ive always supported Danny Rose... He's outspoken and always came across as self assured.. IF he is harbouring resentment towards the club then perhaps a parting of the ways is best.

I listened to the interview on sky sports that he gave. He spoke more about his illness and how he was coping and for a brief moment he mentioned the kids getting into football.. It didnt come across as slagging off the club. Remember players are friends with players in other clubs so it came across as a general reference.

I always remember when he got a contract renewal and OUR fans laying into him on twitter. That was a low point i believe.

I agree. Saw the interview and that is how I interpreted it.

But when reading it is so easy to misinterpret a sentence.

I am surprised anyone bothers speaking publicly anymore, whatever you say just gets twisted.

ThorntonSpur · Jun 27, 2018

I like the fact that the OP, four years ago now, suggests Fryers would be better than Rose

tiger666 · Jun 27, 2018

I would advise everyone to actually listen to what he says in the interview rather than read what sky have written:

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...not-wish-on-anybody?__twitter_impression=true

Gassin's finest · Jun 27, 2018

Again, I think Danny is doing a good thing ultimately, by letting on that it's not all just cars, watches and bantersaurus in professional football... that there's some difficult shit within the profession that needs airing and addressing. I am very concerned for him though, and I really hope he's looked after. Poch's book revealed that they employ psychologists to regularly check up on the players... let's hope that we take it seriously.

coys200 · Jun 27, 2018

Gassin's finest said:
Again, I think Danny is doing a good thing ultimately, by letting on that it's not all just cars, watches and bantersaurus in professional football... that there's some difficult shit within the profession that needs airing and addressing. I am very concerned for him though, and I really hope he's looked after. Poch's book revealed that they employ psychologists to regularly check up on the players... let's hope that we take it seriously.

I think it’s a very difficult situation for the club now Rose has made his issues public. If none of this had come out I think they’d have been delighted to move him on to say a united and get £40m. In the time he’s played this season he just hasn’t looked the same, whether that’s mental or physical I have no idea. But he’s certainly lost a few yards of pace and doesn’t seem able to beat his man on the outside anymore. Although it was brave for him to come out with his depression troubles. The harsh reality is that it’s probably ruined any chance of a move to a big club or even any club right now while his form is so sketchy.So what do the club do, he has 3 years left taking him to 30. A big part of Rose game is pace of which he seems to have already lost few yards. If the club don’t offer him a contract it may seem harsh. And I hate to think of a Toby situation with Rose it could get very messy. This is why imo a player should keep issues in house until they feel they are 100% resolved which Rose doesn’t appear to be. Otherwise talk about these things after you career when it’s not actually gonna impact your current playing career.

Trix · Jun 27, 2018

coys200 said:
I think it’s a very difficult situation for the club now Rose has made his issues public. If none of this had come out I think they’d have been delighted to move him on to say a united and get £40m. In the time he’s played this season he just hasn’t looked the same, whether that’s mental or physical I have no idea. But he’s certainly lost a few yards of pace and doesn’t seem able to beat his man on the outside anymore. Although it was brave for him to come out with his depression troubles. The harsh reality is that it’s probably ruined any chance of a move to a big club or even any club right now while his form is so sketchy.So what do the club do, he has 3 years left taking him to 30. A big part of Rose game is pace of which he seems to have already lost few yards. If the club don’t offer him a contract it may seem harsh. And I hate to think of a Toby situation with Rose it could get very messy. This is why imo a player should keep issues in house until they feel they are 100% resolved which Rose doesn’t appear to be. Otherwise talk about these things after you career when it’s not actually gonna impact your current playing career.

To who? Who apart from perhaps Danny himself could possibly think he deserves a new contract. He 100% has to to be looked after by the club whilst he is in their employ, but the thought of giving him getting improved terms is just ridiculous considering everything that has happened in the last year.

T-Love92 · Jun 27, 2018

I agree Trix - As long as he is under contract he should be treated well obviously, but he really don't deserve to get rewarded with a pay rise and extended stay... the club have to look at their interests and a new long term contract for Danny is not something that would make much sense in a lot of ways...

I hope he hit the ground running next season and decides to stay - as i have experienced mental illness within my family and friends, i think it should finally be accepted within society like most physical illnesses and therefore - yes he needs all the help he can get, but from a club perspective it's too risky to gamble on him imo

Frozen_Waffles · Jun 27, 2018

To be honest his depression is understandable, maybe he was on here about 4/5 years ago and read some of the comments about him. They were honestly disgraceful by some of the idiot posters on here.

As for Rose now... what worries me is not that he has depression and I think it's a good thing he is honest about it. However and this is a big however, he seems to be constantly looking for attention, I think he likes the spotlight and expects to be number one. His media antics point towards a worrying trend.

I have been all for him to stay in the past, but it may just be best for both Spurs and Danny for him to move on. Great player and I am sure he will return to his dynamic best, but at what cost? The big question is, will he be a good influence for the team?

Bobbins · Jun 27, 2018

I don’t think Danny seems to realise that every job comes with difficulties beyond doing the actual job. Every office has politics, dickheads you’re forced to work with, bullying, stress etc.

It’s not just do your job and pick up your money at the end of the month.

He increasingly sounds like he needs a change of scene. Spurs is clearly not a healthy environment for him anymore.

Unfortunately from our point of view I think we’ve missed the boat in terms of him being worth north of £30m.

ajspurs · Jun 27, 2018

Bobbins said:
I don’t think Danny seems to realise that every job comes with difficulties beyond doing the actual job. Every office has politics, dickheads you’re forced to work with, bullying, stress etc.

It’s not just do your job and pick up your money at the end of the month.

He increasingly sounds like he needs a change of scene. Spurs is clearly not a healthy environment for him anymore.

Unfortunately from our point of view I think we’ve missed the boat in terms of him being worth north of £30m.

To be honest I don't think he's unaware of that, I think he's just addressing the assumption that footballers themselves don't have to deal with such problems.

It would be interesting to know if he even thinks he can have a healthy mindset and general future with us at the moment.

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