The England World Cup Thread

Monkey boy said:

Well then you must have had your head buried firmly in the sand. The behaviour of the England fans, pundits and so called experts was cringeworthy to anyone bar England it seems. I guess the double standards of the commentators and media are brushed over when it’s in your favour.

Nothing that Modric or the other fella calling out England’s long ball tactic have said is untrue.

I’ll say it again. We beat Tunisia, Panama and Sweden. It was the equivalent of us beating Newport, Swansea and Rochdale this season. The over reaction to these so called “heroes” is quite frankly ridiculous.

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Tunisia were ranked 14th in the world when we played them and had just drawn 2-2 with Portugal and lost 1-0 to Spain due to a last minute winner so which one of Newport, Swansea or Rochdale are they?

And then Sweden knocked out Italy in the play offs and qualified above Germany in the groups, would certainly be interested to see Rochdale, Newport or Swansea do that

And then to top it off you for some reason haven’t included Columbia, who we technically didn’t beat but for all intents and purposes we did

Also if you didn’t realise “it’s coming home” was at least in part ironic then you are pretty socially inept, it was clearly a joke that people enjoyed as it bought us all together, although you seem pretty miserable so I can see why you didn’t understand that.

Streetspur77 said:

Tunisia were ranked 14th in the world when we played them and had just drawn 2-2 with Portugal and lost 1-0 to Spain due to a last minute winner so which one of Newport, Swansea or Rochdale are they?

And then Sweden knocked out Italy in the play offs and qualified above Germany in the groups, would certainly be interested to see Rochdale, Newport or Swansea do that

And then to top it off you for some reason haven’t included Columbia, who we technically didn’t beat but for all intents and purposes we did

Also if you didn’t realise “it’s coming home” was at least in part ironic then you are pretty socially inept, it was clearly a joke that people enjoyed as it bought us all together, although you seem pretty miserable so I can see why you didn’t understand that.

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Yeah because FIFA rankings and World Cup warm up games are a great indicator of how good teams are.

You are correct that I didn’t include Colombia because after 120 minutes we drew 1-1. But go on then include that if it makes you feel better.

Is “Mind the Gap” considered the same as it’s coming home?? You state yourself that it may have started off as part ironic but before last night it had moved into full on serious mode.

England got taught a footballing lesson by a country smaller than Wales last night but it’s ok we can all feel proud that we beat the mighty Tunisia and Panama on route and didn’t embarrass ourselves like we did last time out.

riggi said:

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Seriously man, get a grip. What has happened to that hard man persona that you have built?

Monkey boy said:

Seriously man, get a grip. What has happened to that hard man persona that you have built?

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Riggi? Hard man persona? Hah.

Monkey boy said:

Yeah because Luka, Roy Keane and everyone else in Britain totally misread everyone predicting the final before we even got there as banter?? Oh I see....... Fans posting memes and hash tagging every social media post with its coming home is one thing. Supposed experts and journalists stating that England would steam roll this ageing, overrated Croatia team was at best misinformed but at worst English arrogance.

There’s a great video of Souness, Robbo and Stefan Freund analysis of last nights game on YouTube. I urge you to watch it as Souness pretty much nails every point. We beat 3 shit teams in the entire tournament and scored 2 goals from open play. Sorry but I don’t see this as anything to write home about.

Oh and by the way, I was more than a little bit pleased that Croatia won last night as I can’t stand England, the media circus that follows them or the mostly moronic fans that decide the best way to celebrate a win over Sweden is to trash an Ikea store. Good riddance, I can actually enjoy the final now that england aren’t in it.

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Yes because that was most fans wasn't it? A moronic thing to say.

Monkey boy said:

Seriously man, get a grip. What has happened to that hard man persona that you have built?

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Amo said:

Riggi? Hard man persona? Hah.

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rez9000 said:

Oh, but Dalic saying that they could handle Kane because they beat Argentina was Croatia being the paragon of humility, was it?

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If you ask me, all they've gone on about since last night was "nyeh, we're better than you". Very humble and gracious, whereas every media outlet and person I've read/spoken to has agreed that Croatia are the superior footballing side.

Monkey boy said:

Yeah because FIFA rankings and World Cup warm up games are a great indicator of how good teams are.

You are correct that I didn’t include Colombia because after 120 minutes we drew 1-1. But go on then include that if it makes you feel better.

Is “Mind the Gap” considered the same as it’s coming home?? You state yourself that it may have started off as part ironic but before last night it had moved into full on serious mode.

England got taught a footballing lesson by a country smaller than Wales last night but it’s ok we can all feel proud that we beat the mighty Tunisia and Panama on route and didn’t embarrass ourselves like we did last time out.

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Are you English? Do you even like football? Because you really don't seem to get it.

Another troll for the ignore list methinks.

It's like some people are disappointed England supporters are taking it on the chin and haven't laid waste to the nation's high streets.

Gassin's finest said:

Are you English? Do you even like football? Because you really don't seem to get it.

Another troll for the ignore list methinks.

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The parallels between spurs and England are strikingly similar. Like when we lost to Chelsea in the league cup final a few years ago there were so many posts saying how proud they are, we’re now a team on the up blah blah blah. Fact is we lost to the first decent team we faced last night, I really can’t see why people are filled with so much pride.

Ask yourself, had we lost to Tunisia, Panama or Sweden would you have accepted it as one of those things as all teams are good at international level or would there have been anger as it’s teams that we should be beating every single time?
I’ve been a member on here for numerous years and have never been called a troll before so not sure why I’m being called when now just because I don’t agree that our World Cup run was the stuff of legends?

Gassin's finest said:

I'd like to think that one of the key legacies of this tournament is that clubs see what English players are capable of. Lads like Maguire, Trippier and Pickford have been amongst the best players at the world cup. Therefore young english players should be given more opportunities to express themselves, play for bigger teams in bigger games, and work with the best coaches to develop. Who knows how many Waddles, Gazza's or Kane's have been missed in the last 20 years.

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It's tricky as each player in the spurs squad would have been the stand out star at their school, and academy in their age group etc etc and each would have taken all the free-kicks and been top scorer, and part of the skill of managing players professionally is getting them to fit a mould and know their place. To be a team member. To stop expressing themselves.

Players get pigeon holed as a consequence and unfortunately the necessity of hammering square pegs into round holes means a lot of perfectly good pegs get broken and discarded. And it is a total fluke if a peg bounces out of one hole and happens to land in a hole that it fits well.

There is no other way to explain how a player like Bale - one of the top forwards in the world, was played at left back for so long. Didn't they notice in informal training games that he was a world class natural finisher and wasted at left back where he had no instinct at all? His ill discipline/self expression of often ending up on the right wing after a sprint from LB could have seen him bounced from the club, but instead he started scoring and much to the embarrassment of Redknapp, made an unanswerable case to play further forward.

This week we hear Clive Allen reveal that they did not think Kane was ever going to be good enough for spurs. OK he doesn't have the build or the pace but again surely in training sessions where despite his disadvantages he'd scored all the goals (I would have guessed), someone would have thought, you know, he's got a chance?

And you can't just put that down to Redknapp as for all his faults, he could pick out players (Ferdinand, Lampard, Carrick etc), and get value from discarded older players.
Perhaps if Redknapp had been a better coach, Bale would now be an effective left back, Modric an OK wing forward, Kane an OK midfielder. In letting them run round a bit, some of them actually found their true positions.

Any way it is both inspiring and depressing to watch Trippier score one of the free-kicks of the worldcup, when like most fans here, I did not have a clue he had that kind of ability.
We are meant to be the most knowledgeable fans around and it escaped our notice.
The club is meant to be merit based, promoting youth if they are good enough, regardless of reputations and hierarchy. And yet last season we watched Eriksen waste free kick after free kick. The club were surely unaware they had a pretty good backup option.

It does make you think just how many gems are discarded.
And I think the answer is nearly all of them.

Monkey boy said:

The parallels between spurs and England are strikingly similar. Like when we lost to Chelsea in the league cup final a few years ago there were so many posts saying how proud they are, we’re now a team on the up blah blah blah. Fact is we lost to the first decent team we faced last night, I really can’t see why people are filled with so much pride.

Ask yourself, had we lost to Tunisia, Panama or Sweden would you have accepted it as one of those things as all teams are good at international level or would there have been anger as it’s teams that we should be beating every single time?
I’ve been a member on here for numerous years and have never been called a troll before so not sure why I’m being called when now just because I don’t agree that our World Cup run was the stuff of legends?

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Perhaps your tone and your timing may have something to do with it?

Perhaps saying that you're glad England are out and accusing the English media and fans of arrogance may not have been the most sensitive or well-timed things to have said?

Perhaps if you had moderated your tone a little; maybe demonstrated that you understood there would be a lot of pain and disappointment on this forum; maybe, heaven forbid, shown a little sympathy, then perhaps your message wouldn't have fallen on quite so stony ground?

rez9000 said:

Perhaps your tone and your timing may have something to do with it?

Perhaps saying that you're glad England are out and accusing the English media and fans of arrogance may not have been the most sensitive or well-timed things to have said?

Perhaps if you had moderated your tone a little; maybe demonstrated that you understood there would be a lot of pain and disappointment on this forum; maybe, heaven forbid, shown a little sympathy, then perhaps your message wouldn't have fallen on quite so stony ground?

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Jesus wept some people really are a sensitive bunch aren’t they. Sorry in future I’ll stick to the party line of England were great and should return as heroes after over coming the mammoth task of beating Tunisia, Panama and Sweden.

That’s the problem with so much of both spurs and England, fans are happy to accept mediocrity and as long as we don’t embarrass ourselves then it’s been a successful season / tournament.

The trouble is, if this line if we were great keeps being thrown out there then how are we going to improve? We played 2 decent to good teams in the entire tournament.......... and lost both. Sorry if I’m not pushing for Southgate to be knighted.

Monkey boy said:

The parallels between spurs and England are strikingly similar. Like when we lost to Chelsea in the league cup final a few years ago there were so many posts saying how proud they are, we’re now a team on the up blah blah blah. Fact is we lost to the first decent team we faced last night, I really can’t see why people are filled with so much pride.

Ask yourself, had we lost to Tunisia, Panama or Sweden would you have accepted it as one of those things as all teams are good at international level or would there have been anger as it’s teams that we should be beating every single time?
I’ve been a member on here for numerous years and have never been called a troll before so not sure why I’m being called when now just because I don’t agree that our World Cup run was the stuff of legends?

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You don't think that every fan of every team in the country hasn't thought that at one point or another?

And no one has suggested it was the stuff of legends. Everyone is aware of our limitations. And yet England, a perennial underachiever at international level, just got to the last 4 in a world cup for only their third time... and with the youngest and most inexperienced team in the tournament. And the whole country is happy about it. How is that not something to be proud and celebratory of? Do you get that?

I get the impression that nothing less than a 3-0 victory in the final would come close to cracking the resemblance of a smile on your grim-set, inscrutable fizzog. What enjoyment do you even get out of football?

And shooting down every positive post with negativity and scorn, complete with "funny" ratings and wot-not is troll like behaviour... deliberately setting out to spoil everyones mood and fun. As you've gleefully pointed out, you're quite happy England are out, so why don't you jog on out of this thread and go spread your truculance elsewhere?

Gassin's finest said:

You don't think that every fan of every team in the country hasn't thought that at one point or another?

And no one has suggested it was the stuff of legends. Everyone is aware of our limitations. And yet England, a perennial underachiever at international level, just got to the last 4 in a world cup for only their third time... and with the youngest and most inexperienced team in the tournament. And the whole country is happy about it. How is that not something to be proud and celebratory of? Do you get that?

I get the impression that nothing less than a 3-0 victory in the final would come close to cracking the resemblance of a smile on your grim-set, inscrutable fizzog. What enjoyment do you even get out of football?

And shooting down every positive post with negativity and scorn, complete with "funny" ratings and wot-not is troll like behaviour... deliberately setting out to spoil everyones mood and fun. As you've gleefully pointed out, you're quite happy England are out, so why don't you jog on out of this thread and go spread your truculance elsewhere?

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My my you really are a bad loser aren’t you. Anyway as you were, England were absolutely fantastic throughout the tournament and every Englishman should be crying with pride when staring at their England tattoos in the mirror tonight. These guys are rightly taking their place amongst the elite of world football after they somehow managed to beat Panama 6 nil. Knight the lot of them we should.

Monkey boy said:

My my you really are a bad loser aren’t you. Anyway as you were, England were absolutely fantastic throughout the tournament and every Englishman should be crying with pride when staring at their England tattoos in the mirror tonight. These guys are rightly taking their place amongst the elite of world football after they somehow managed to beat Panama 6 nil. Knight the lot of them we should.

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I can see that you read posts as closely as you watch football matches... bye.

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