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allatsea

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Sorry but that is rubbish, I'm not saying we have to spend 200 million like our rivals. We may not be able to sign 90 million pound players but we sure as hell can sign a CM and CB for 50 or 60 million to allow us to remain competitive in our weak areas.

No one is saying spend like PSG or City, but there is a middle ground where you can sign quality for 50 million, which Spurs can afford. It's not all or nothing, yet nothing is what we are doing. It is not acceptable.

Jjetset has made it plain in his recent posts as has Hercules that we have been working on big deals for several months but you choose just to ignore that. If we want to sign 50 or 60 million pound players we have to negotiate to make the deal work for us. That takes time and needs time pressures such as the closing of the Transfer Window to focus the minds of both the selling clubs and the players agents. To be writing a Transfer Window off before it has closed is just silly.
 

LeParisien

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Sorry but that is rubbish, I'm not saying we have to spend 200 million like our rivals. We may not be able to sign 90 million pound players but we sure as hell can sign a CM and CB for 50 or 60 million to allow us to remain competitive in our weak areas.

No one is saying spend like PSG or City, but there is a middle ground where you can sign quality for 50 million, which Spurs can afford. It's not all or nothing, yet nothing is what we are doing. It is not acceptable.
Is the transfer window over ?

If we don’t get a couple of signings in that improve the first team then I will understand your frustration.

As jj, trix and hercules have said .. it is particularly challenging this year for a host of reasons.

Our aim is to improve the first team (not subs bench) and in any case it’s unclear that a £50m signings will necessarily do that.
 

Trix

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Your season ticket entitles you to watch the games nothing more than that. If you think it's too much, don't buy it there are no promises made to you on your purchase. Tbh I can't be arsed to read your entire post because again, I have said in the post you quoted that Levy will deserve criticism if he fails this window. The selective reading is through the roof this morning though, because I'm clearly not defending anything happening this window. Just pointing out you'd need to be a moron to call for his head off the back of it considering where he has taken us in the last 10 years. Not to mention doing what he's done despite the influx of foreign cash that has skewed the level playing field a lot.
 

voxy28

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It's the same thing from last night, in which the same report said that they were after Maguire or Mina aswell as doing that swap deal.


It seems like manure place 80M£ for the transfer...... maybe we can do a 60+15 m add on might do it. Anyway who knows what’s going on. Doesn’t look any good at all.
 

Primativ

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Jjetset has made it plain in his recent posts as has Hercules that we have been working on big deals for several months but you choose just to ignore that. If we want to sign 50 or 60 million pound players we have to negotiate to make the deal work for us. That takes time and needs time pressures such as the closing of the Transfer Window to focus the minds of both the selling clubs and the players agents. To be writing a Transfer Window off before it has closed is just silly.


I'm just commenting on the window up until now. If we turn around and sign Kovacevic, Martial and De Ligt in the next 5 days I'd be ecstatic and if that was the plan all along I'll admit I was premature in my worries. I can't see that happening though, and if you say those three players might be a bit too ambitious, I would say no not really, but to keep it more realistic, as long as we sign 3 players in those positions who at the very least aren't this summer's N'Koudou's and N'Jie's which are clearly bottom of the list desperate signings because we have been unable to sign anyone else, then I will at least turn around and pat the club on the back for backing Poch and having a go.

We can never expect any signing to work out, but I just want to see the club attempting to have a go this season, and no it isn't acceptable if we end up with cheap foreign punts in those three areas either.
 
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It seems like manure place 80M£ for the transfer...... maybe we can do a 60+15 m add on might do it. Anyway who knows what’s going on. Doesn’t look any good at all.
I guess not. IF you want to remain positive, then here is hoping that there are other 'irons in fires'.
 

Primativ

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Your season ticket entitles you to watch the games nothing more than that. Tbh I can't be arsed to read your entire post because again, I have said in the post you quoted that Levy will deserve criticism if he fails this window. The selective reading is through the roof this morning though, because I'm clearly not defending anything happening this window, just pointing out you'd be a moron to call for his head off the back of it considering where he has taken us in the last 10 years. Not to mention doing what he's done despite the influx of foreign cash that has skewed the level playing field a lot.

Not sure where you've seen me calling for Levy's head. Anyway, my season ticket entitles me to watch games yes, but all Spurs fans season ticket holders or not should expect to see the club properly back Poch this summer. So far we haven't, Levy has 5 days to turn it around or in my mind he's been a disgrace this summer. You should read my entire post, because I don't think I'm being unreasonable in my concerns to be honest and it would show why people are upset and annoyed by what has transpired this summer.

I hold out hope Levy has some aces up his sleeve...
 

LeParisien

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I'm just commenting on the window up until now. If we turn around and sign Kovacevic, Martial and De Ligt in the next 5 days I'd be ecstatic and if that was the plan all along I'll admit I was premature in my worries. I can't see that happening though, and if you say those three players might be a bit too ambitious, I would say no not really

Failing to poach players worth 60m+ from the two biggest clubs in the world, neither of whom want to sell to us would be ... unacceptable ?

Kovacic and Martial would be hugely difficult and expensive to pull off.

Christ!!
 

Gpnash84

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We pay some of the highest season ticket prices in the world. With that price you expect the club to show more ambition in then transfer market than what we are currently.

The reason there is angst among some of us is because

1. There is a limited shelf life for this side to win stuff before it gets broken apart. One could argue the breaking apart is already happening with Walker and Alderweireld going to rivals in successive summers.
2. Many fans can see there are glaring weaknesses in our squad, particularly at CB and CM. It is quite clear Dembele struggles to compete in the PL now. We have had ITK info saying Dembele is coaxed through his injuries, it's clear from seeing him on the pitch that is the case. We have Winks and Wanyama always injured, yet the club so far have failed to remedy this issue by signing a CM, that is another cause of huge frustration to fans.
3. With Toby going we will be left horribly exposed at CB if one of the other two CBS got injured. We could be playing title deciders or huge CL games with Foyth or CCV are one of our first 11 CBs. That is a really concerning prospect for any level headed Spurs fan to see and I would question someones knowledge of football if they think that is acceptable from Spurs being competitive angle for the upcoming season.
4. We seem to have done a deal with United without getting Martial in return which again looks completely ridiculous, Yet there is talk that they may do a Willian Martial deal with Chelsea. How on earth were we unable to take advantage of United's Toby interest to do a deal?
5. The above scenarios paint a picture of our brilliant head coach not being properly backed and the fall out from that is another concern of angst for fans.
6. The lack of spending is just a horrible lack of intent and ambition from the club, no fan likes to see that.

All of these are reasonable and level headed concerns which we are all perfectly correct to feel upset by.

The new stadium can go where the sun doesn't shine if we are playing FC Cheek Boys with Eddie Howe in charge in 2020 because Levy failed to properly invest in the squad this summer. Some people seem oblivious to the fact that failure to stregthen from a position of relative strength can quickly in football see you slide back down the table. We don't pay the wages to keep our star players happy if we can't offer CL and a decent prospect at winning stuff. Kane, Eriksen et all won't hang around.

Levy has 5 days to sign 3 players to strengthen our squad, otherwise he would have let us all badly down by leaving the squad horribly short in key areas for the upcoming season, there are no two ways about it.

I understand the frustration but supporting a team does not bestow us with a right to demand transfers, you can be concerned but you have no reason to be upset.

Most of your views are based on fans perceptions of what we need and that’s irrelevant in my mind to what Poch feels he needs. We had very similar post in pre-season 15-16 when we had only added Toby and tripper and we were all hoping for a DM. A few days later Son arrived out of the blue and we Dier was converted to midfield and we did pretty well. If transfer spend was the sole determinant of success we would be mid table.

If Hercs itk is accurate and he has been promised players and let down then that’s different but there are still 4.5 days to get deals over the line and therefore we should see what happens and trust the board who’ve largely got things right over the last 5 years.

Reading Poch’s book, he says several times that it’s Levy more then him who pushes for transfers and that he prefers a lean squad and promoting from within. It’s easy to see that as a lack of ambition but why can’t one of Amos, CCV or Skipp have a breakthrough season?
 

voxy28

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Anthony Martial wasn’t with the #mufc squad which arrived at Manchester Airport this morning. @samuelLuckhurst
 

Primativ

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Failing to poach players worth 60m+ from the two biggest clubs in the world, neither of whom want to sell to us would be ... unacceptable ?

Kovacic and Martial would be hugely difficult and expensive to pull off.

Christ!!

No, that isn't what I said now is it. I said they would be excellent deals to pull off, I don't expect them, they would be dream signings. However if Martial was to go to Chelsea, then yes, I would be annoyed at how they were able to do the deal and we couldn't, because I would quetion why or how we were unable to do the deal when Martial apparently wants to come here. You wouldn't be a bit concerned by that?

What I did say was that not reinforcing those 3 areas of our squad, having had at least 6 months to plan it, would be unacceptable and incompetent. How long have we known Toby was leaving? And if we fail to sign a replacement you think that is part of some grand plan?

To repeat, all I am asking for is Spurs to make sure we sign three players in our problem areas to sllow us to remain competitive and not have to rely on unproven kids going into a pivotal CL and PL campaign. Could you please Christ at something I actually said next time please.
 

Trix

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Not sure where you've seen me calling for Levy's head. Anyway, my season ticket entitles me to watch games yes, but all Spurs fans season ticket holders or not should expect to see the club properly back Poch this summer. So far we haven't, Levy has 5 days to turn it around or in my mind he's been a disgrace this summer. You should read my entire post, because I don't think I'm being unreasonable in my concerns to be honest and it would show why people are upset and annoyed by what has transpired this summer.

I hold out hope Levy has some aces up his sleeve...
No you didn't call for Levy's head but that was the post I made that you replied to. And tbh honest people getting upset now is pointless. The window isn't shut yet, so I'll save my tears for when/if it's appropriate in 5 days time. Let's be honest there have been tantrums on here ever since Pool signed their second player. Everyone is choosing to ignore the fact Chelsea, Yanited, and Arsenal are all saying it's really hard this Summer and all of those clubs have a far greater income than we do.

As for Pool they are really struggling to move players on and due it's causing issues. Did you honestly think they could just throw all that money at players, agents and wages without offsetting some of it?
 

For the love of Spurs

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it won't spill on to the terraces at all until we lose a game. Then Levy will be the new Irvine Scholar. If we fail to get targets then Levy deserves criticism. If we get anything like West ham style reactions in the stands then I will honestly be ashamed of my fellow supporters. If having a poor window creates protests in our Brand new stadium whilst watching CL football, then we will be a laughing stock for decades to come. This ilk of Spurs fans are everything that is wrong with Football now.

It’s a balance, your not going to have punch ups in the stands. West Ham moved into a stadium that isn’t suitable for football and their owners where shocking in their treatment of their own fanbase absolutely shocking. Their owners deserved protests.

However if we fail to get any serious players moving into a brand spanking new stadium while selling Toby it will leave a very flat feeling around what should be incredible. And that is a shame.

I can get over that quite easily but my bigger concern is the long term ramifications with Poch. At some point he is going to want to win things and he may one day feel he has taken us as far as he can.

The thing is we are short only in a few key areas, we don’t need many players just 1-2 quality ones and this team could fly. It’s not out and out anger, it’s just frustration and we are on a forum which is the place most of the frustration will go.
 

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Top post! The window isn't even shut yet and people are wetting their pants. No one can question Levy's commitment and investment in our club.
 

LeParisien

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No, that isn't what I said now is it. I said they would be excellent deals to pull off, I don't expect them, they would be dream signings. However if Martial was to go to Chelsea, then yes, I would be annoyed at how they were able to do the deal and we couldn't, because I would quetion why or how we were unable to do the deal when Martial apparently wants to come here. You wouldn't be a bit concerned by that?

What I did say was that not reinforcing those 3 areas of our squad, having had at least 6 months to plan it, would be unacceptable and incompetent. How long have we known Toby was leaving? And if we fail to sign a replacement you think that is part of some grand plan?

To repeat, all I am asking for is Spurs to make sure we sign three players in our problem areas to sllow us to remain competitive and not have to rely on unproven kids going into a pivotal CL and PL campaign. Could you please Christ at something I actually said next time please.
You have no idea if Poch views CB as a concern. Maybe he thinks particularly Foyth but also CCV are enough because he wants to go with a back 4.

Martial might go to Chelsea because they have a player valued at the same amount, in the same position, that Man Utd want - Willian. That is smart by Man Utd. You seem fairly blinkered. Other clubs can plan strategically too!

CM is an absolute must and I would agree with your assessment there.

I don’t share your anxiety though and I hope you feel I have represented you fairly this time.
 
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