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thfc1973

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Why the fuck would any of them come here?

Ohhh I dunno....
- 10th Richest club in the world?
- New stadium (one of the best in the world - that generates more than just football money)
- Best Academy players coming through for the last few years
- Top 4 club the last few years
- A core 11 1st team players that are top class.

Just those off the top of my head...
 

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- 10th Richest club in the world? - Doesn't really matter when they won't back a manager
- New stadium (one of the best in the world - that generates more than just football money) - coaches like winning things, not looking at pretty stadiums
- Best Academy players coming through for the last few years - a coach is going to come here cause Harry Kane & Winks came through in the last 6 years?
- Top 4 club the last few years - fair
- A core 11 1st team players that are top class - this core will not looking anything close to the same should Poch walk
 

thfc1973

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- 10th Richest club in the world? - Doesn't really matter when they won't back a manager
- New stadium (one of the best in the world - that generates more than just football money) - coaches like winning things, not looking at pretty stadiums
- Best Academy players coming through for the last few years - a coach is going to come here cause Harry Kane & Winks came through in the last 6 years?
- Top 4 club the last few years - fair
- A core 11 1st team players that are top class - this core will not looking anything close to the same should Poch walk

regarding your points;
1. It does to a potential incoming manager! They look at your solvency, your size and your potential. Being in the top 10 is a huge plus to sell the club to a potential manager (and new owner!) Owners lie all the time - look at what has happened to Jose, Conte etc. They know they'll never get every player they want. Even Pep when he missed out on players he wanted at City.. What it does is show the manager they are at a big club, not at West Ham or Burnley.
2. A new stadium will provide more income to buy players that will help win things. Its not rocker science. Here's what Emery said when he joined Arse - ""I am thrilled to be joining one of the great clubs in the game. Arsenal is known and loved throughout the world for its style of play, its commitment to young players, the fantastic stadium, the way the club is run."
So don't tell me the stadium isn't an important draw..It totally is!
3. The Academy players coming through aren't just for us to use, its to sell & make money off them as well... Havent we made money off the likes of Carroll, Bentaleb, Mason, Velijovic, Townsend, Livermore etc?
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5 - Again, I disagree. If we brought in a top manager they will absolutely be buzzing!!
 

rossdapep

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Think the stadium situation is heaping pressure on all, Levey, Poch and the team.
We/They need a home stadium desperately imo.
I do think the stadium will give everyone a HUGE lift and generate a boost in determination and spirit to not see games out. Sadly, we won't get that effect in the CL. Shame because I think we'd have got a draw against Barca.
 

rossdapep

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regarding your points;
1. It does to a potential incoming manager! They look at your solvency, your size and your potential. Being in the top 10 is a huge plus to sell the club to a potential manager (and new owner!) Owners lie all the time - look at what has happened to Jose, Conte etc. They know they'll never get every player they want. Even Pep when he missed out on players he wanted at City.. What it does is show the manager they are at a big club, not at West Ham or Burnley.
2. A new stadium will provide more income to buy players that will help win things. Its not rocker science. Here's what Emery said when he joined Arse - ""I am thrilled to be joining one of the great clubs in the game. Arsenal is known and loved throughout the world for its style of play, its commitment to young players, the fantastic stadium, the way the club is run."
So don't tell me the stadium isn't an important draw..It totally is!
3. The Academy players coming through aren't just for us to use, its to sell & make money off them as well... Havent we made money off the likes of Carroll, Bentaleb, Mason, Velijovic, Townsend, Livermore etc?
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5 - Again, I disagree. If we brought in a top manager they will absolutely be buzzing!!

I disagree, the stadium is certainly something to look forward to but Emery named two things before that and mentioned a 'club known and loved around the world', if you were to take away those aspects would you think a manager would move simply because firstly the stadium is great and the club has potential? He'd be taking a risk and more likely go to a club who have tradition and are a bigger name. It sucks but that's the way it is. If Poch was to go we'd have to bank on a coach who has mixed success or is an up-and-coming coach because the serial winners wouldn't take it.
 

Metalhead

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Ohhh I dunno....
- 10th Richest club in the world?
- New stadium (one of the best in the world - that generates more than just football money)
- Best Academy players coming through for the last few years
- Top 4 club the last few years
- A core 11 1st team players that are top class.

Just those off the top of my head...
The only thing with being the 10th richest club in the world is that it means little to a manager unless it is reflected in the transfer budget. Otherwise, what are they supposed to do with that fact?
 

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The author is one Paul Jiggins, whose reputation isn't great. On the R5 European football show, the latest was that Perez would love to have Mourinho, so the worry would be that Poch will then go for the ManU job.

I think the easier move would be Mou back to Real (or wherever) and Zidane to Manu.
 

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I still hold that if it is a club built in his own image that he's after, then Spurs is still the best choice for him.
just don't see Poch to Utd now....our squad is better and Utd are utterly souless....and have been churning through players and managers

Really think PSG post Neymar is the one to worry about
 

thfc1973

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I disagree, the stadium is certainly something to look forward to but Emery named two things before that and mentioned a 'club known and loved around the world', if you were to take away those aspects would you think a manager would move simply because firstly the stadium is great and the club has potential? He'd be taking a risk and more likely go to a club who have tradition and are a bigger name. It sucks but that's the way it is. If Poch was to go we'd have to bank on a coach who has mixed success or is an up-and-coming coach because the serial winners wouldn't take it.

That's ridiculous. I have never suggested a big manager would move to us JUST because we have a new stadium. Why do so many people twist and cherry pick certain things in a statement to attempt to make a point. Its stupid and petty. I said - having a new stadium was one of the draws and an important one. And I proceeded to give you an example of how other big name managers say the same thing and included the quote from Unai where he also said the same thing! He listed a few things that drew him to Arse including a fantastic stadium. Unbelievable if you are peeling back words said before or after his stadium point.
 

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I'm pretty certain Poch will be at Madrid next. Makes more sense than Conte. Poch is a Madrid fan as opposed to other big clubs wanting his sig. He speaks the lingo. Has a good crop of younger players to work with and will get the money and choice of players to buy. Personally, I am hoping Madrid comes in for him and makes Levy an offer he cant refuse. That way, it saves Levy from dealing with any bad press when Poch's management inevitably goes tits up and Levy has to give him the chop, or fans start to turn on Poch. Its a win-win. If I were a gambler I would bet money on him being at Madrid next. Its also a more guaranteed place to get success for Poch cos I doubt he will win anything if he went to Utd either.

If we're lucky Levy will extract a vast sum and possibly a good player too..
 

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How about what we're doing when it comes to defending set pieces?

Sorry I know we have conceded to many goals from set pieces this season, but it doesn’t matter how you set up against them, if the delivery is good enough an attacking team will always have a chance. Against PSV we were a man light, a keeper that doesn’t give you much confidence, but if you can’t head the ball away from the danger area, you can’t blame Poch, it wasn’t his headed clearance.

One of our biggest weaknesses at set pieces is we don’t have a big bad ball winner in the likes of Gough, someone that when the head it clear, it goes clear. Toby, Jan, Sanchez and even Dier don’t dominate the area like a true CH.
 

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Why would a good manager come to Spurs?

Just look at what has transpired under Poch - 3 consecutive CL appearances, and Levy still did not back Poch. If you are a top manager, what do you think you will have to do for Levy to back you? Its not worth the hassle for the big-name managers to come here and assume they won't be backed.
 

spursfan77

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Why would a good manager come to Spurs?

Just look at what has transpired under Poch - 3 consecutive CL appearances, and Levy still did not back Poch. If you are a top manager, what do you think you will have to do for Levy to back you? Its not worth the hassle for the big-name managers to come here and assume they won't be backed.

It’s levy who is the problem though, it’s joe lewis. He doesn’t want to put his own money in. His art collection is more important to him than we are.

Losing Poch would be awful. Thankfully that article in the Sun is written by Neil Ashton who we know is a shit stirrer.
 

hellava_tough

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Why would a good manager come to Spurs?

Just look at what has transpired under Poch - 3 consecutive CL appearances, and Levy still did not back Poch. If you are a top manager, what do you think you will have to do for Levy to back you? Its not worth the hassle for the big-name managers to come here and assume they won't be backed.

To be fair, they do (or would) get paid a lot of money for managing Spurs; it's not like they're slumming it on a 9 to 5 salary :LOL:

With the English, Spanish, Italian, German and French leagues combined, there are only around 20 'big' jobs available (maximum!!). And only 1 or 2 are vacant at any given moment in time.

So it's not completely unreasonable to suggest that a well established manager would take a job managing Spurs, even if he knew he wasn't going to get backed.

The real problem is holding onto a manager if they're not backed; it's not a great situation to be in, chewing through managers every 2 years because Levy can't sort out the recruitment infrastructure and/or his cheque-book.
 

hellava_tough

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Just a thought on Poch to Madrid...

True enough Madrid is a bit of crazy club to be involved with; politics, mad fans, diva behaviour, high pressure, drama and glamour in equal measure, and the everyday looming threat of getting sacked even if you win every trophy under the sun.

However, don't South Americans see playing for, or managing, Real Madrid or Barcelona as one of the highest accolades you can achieve in your career?

I'm sure I've read somewhere that it's deeply rooted in the footballing culture of that continent, which many Europeans don't fully appreciate.

Anyway, might be an explanation if Poch makes a move to Madrid that on the surface defies logic :cautious:
 
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