The Mauricio Pochettino thread

dudu · Oct 29, 2018

mpickard2087 said:
People need to get a grip though I'd say. Lost interest after a few setbacks these last few months? Fucking hell. We're still, at worst, a Top 6 PL team. We could still be that after spending £300m, how competitive all the teams are currently.

If you wanted to lose hope or have your confidence shaken, you'd be a Sunderland fan plummeting down the football pyramid, or Newcastle caught in a never ending misery cycle, or Leicester given what happened at the weekend...... But a stadium delay, a couple of missed signings, and a stodgy start to the season?????

That sounds proper fair-weather and entitled. Jesus fucking Christ.

Honestly, couldn't agree with you more. Cringeworthy reading in this thread of the highest order.

mattyspurs · Oct 29, 2018

richard_gleeson said:
I love Poch, but we are miles away from winning anything. That last season at White Hart Lane was the best we've been in my opinion. Need some major signings to get back to that level.

...other than the FA cup semi we threw away last season, or the Fa cup semi we threw away the season before? We should have won something by now, this isn't solely down to player recruitment, we have the sqaud and players to win those matches, and we still do this season.

dagraham · Oct 29, 2018

JAYSTAR said:
It's the complacency and arrogance that worries me. A trait best typified by Dier who acts like he's the best midfielder in the country and then gives the ball away regularly. It's infectious. Even Eriksen and Alderwiereld did it last night. Lazy underhit passes or playing as if you've got loads of time on the ball. Teams have worked out that some of our players are really poor under pressure and steal possession at critical times and dangerous places on the pitch.
Given that Poch was a defender I am frustrated he hasn't drilled the team on when to 'get rid' (last man) and when not to pass backward (when CBs are split).
The fact we sit on a one goal lead is the reason we haven't progressed and our goal difference continues to drop behind the top teams. They keep going to secure the win out of sight. We sit back and congratulate ourselves until the opposition score. It's scary to see this happening over and over. We should be switching to 541 and counter attacking if that's the plan, not keeping the same formation and nonchalantly passing it around until tackled! Horrible to watch. No class. Egos and mistakes repeatedly.

Spot on, particular this bit.

If we decide we’re good enough to sit on a one goal lead and kill the game, then fine. I don’t like it, but at lest execute it properly by sitting deep, stifling the opposition and hitting on the break.

Instead we often just get the cigars out and think “job done”.

SpartanSpur · Oct 29, 2018

mpickard2087 said:
People need to get a grip though I'd say. Lost interest after a few setbacks these last few months? Fucking hell. We're still, at worst, a Top 6 PL team. We could still be that after spending £300m, how competitive all the teams are currently.

If you wanted to lose hope or have your confidence shaken, you'd be a Sunderland fan plummeting down the football pyramid, or Newcastle caught in a never ending misery cycle, or Leicester given what happened at the weekend...... But a stadium delay, a couple of missed signings, and a stodgy start to the season?????

That sounds proper fair-weather and entitled. Jesus fucking Christ.

It's the same with anything in life, there's always something or somebody worse off than you. Doesn't mean you aren't allowed to be disappointed when crap stuff happens, no matter how insignificant it seems when you frame it in the grand scheme of things.

There is no award for blindly and bullishly supporting the club 100% all the time no matter how many stupid things the club does.

You try and trivialise it as a stadium delay, a couple of missed signings, and a stodgy start but whatever way you spin it the club has been serving up bad news after bad news all season, and little in the other direction. There is a negative feeling around the club, and that's never a good thing. You can choose to ignore it if it makes you feel better.

We have a manager that has transformed us into real contenders and restored pride in the club after the Sherwood debacle, and a handful of top class players that if we are honest are above our pay-grade. This usually classy and reserved manager is now publicly saying how unhappy he is, and the players don't seem to be operating at 100% mentally (or physically) either. A team that was a joy to watch has somehow stumbled it's way to a decent points tally so far being the opposite.

What should have been a springboard season for us is looking more and more like it could be the end of the road for this team and manager. Having a stiff upper lip and 'being a better fan' won't make that scenario any more or less likely.

If we did regress back to mid table (or even just a firm 6th) I'd still support the club, still go to games and watch as many as possible, you can never quit it, but I'd still be bitter about missed opportunities in this promising period.

Hopefully it's all worrying about nothing and we hit some form soon (a win tonight would be amazing) - but the signs aren't great.

Stamford · Oct 29, 2018

mattyspurs said:
...other than the FA cup semi we threw away last season, or the Fa cup semi we threw away the season before? We should have won something by now, this isn't solely down to player recruitment, we have the sqaud and players to win those matches, and we still do this season.

We don't have players of experience to see out those games. Its the difference

dagraham · Oct 29, 2018

Trix said:
I have been championing Eddie Howe as Pochs eventual successor for the last couple seasons.

If Poch were to leave I’d rather get a more experienced manager with a pedigree of winning trophies.

However, if we’re to go down the route of young up and coming manager then I agree Howe would fit very well.

hakano · Oct 29, 2018

mpickard2087 said:
Poch can whine away, maybe he does deserve a bit more quality to work with, but the fact is that this is now his 5th season in charge. If he hasn't got a full squad moulded in his image and his principles of play then that's his own fault really.

Him and his coaching staff should be able to identify the right characteristics for those 6-8 wider squad players that are needed. If you cant buy further quality then they should at least be damn good at pressing and providing high energy, aggression and intensity, and mean you're confident that whoever is selected will be extremely competitive and take it to the opposition and so you're not scared to spell them in for more established players. Instead we've gone through, and still have, trundlers like Llorente, Janssen, Sissoko, Ben Davies, the N'randoms, continuing with the sticking plaster midfield of Dier/Dembele, and I could go on..... the only one who fits the bill really in this aspect, and demonstrably has a bit of fire in his belly, is Lamela.

So yes, it would be nice for the manager to have extra quality to work with. But when the players you have okayed are quite often failing on the base characteristics then he has to share some blame for any lack of depth.

The whole process evolves, certain players are fine for a period but over time as the team/squad experience and develop more some of those players need to be recycled and are no longer fit for purpose. Also, some of those mentioned were perhaps not his first choice and we ended up with them as the alternatives were either worse or none at all.

Poch deserves full backing, until he receives it is extremely harsh to say he should be doing better. Don't forget his last three seasons 3rd, 2nd, 3rd and currently only two points from the top. Which manager since Bill Nic has even come close to that level of consistency?

King of Otters · Oct 29, 2018

Feel so sorry for Poch. The man has moved mountains to transform the mentality of the club, achieving three consecutive top 3 finishes while working on a shoe-string budget, managing a choppy transition from one stadium to another, and being burdened with budget French wingers and relegated dross.

He deserves more than any other manager in my lifetime to be backed to hilt by the chairman, but instead we end up breaking records for lack of transfer activity.

It's a fucking travesty.

spursfan77 · Oct 29, 2018

daryl hannah said:
Absolute BS from Daily Mail

https://www.spurs-web.com/spurs-new...-levy-journalist-points-finger-at-pochettino/

When I read Poch's quotes last night I immediately thought of this bit on the sunday supplement. That particular journalist must have known the quotes were coming and thats what he was referring to in my opinion. Whether its correct or not is another thing.

Matthew · Oct 29, 2018

the worse thing is, poch made a lot if us fall back in love with thfc. after the absolute shit storm under sherwood, and the tail end of AVB reign, a LOT and i mean a lot of fans were disillusioned with the club as a whole, and it just seems as if after the last couple of years of MASSIVE progress weve made (ok no trophy) but look at the squad for his first game and look at it now, and the league finishes, we just cannot afford to let him get pissed and walk, if he does, IMO levy should go aswell

buckley · Oct 29, 2018

In my opinion all he has said is until we sign a couple of quality players we will not be on an upward trend.
There is a possibility next season we will have the funds to compete with the mega rich.
As much as I want Poch to stay if he wants out so be it but I believe he will be making a mistake as I am optimistic for the future outlook and whoever took his place would be in clover.

spursfan77 · Oct 29, 2018

Forgot to post this earlier. No idea what he means about certain players. I can only think of Toby not committing either way.

Ali Z on COYS said:
Think your reading too much into it, yes he is frustrated, with many factors involved, he decided what players he wanted, once we could not get them he decided he did not want anyone else. His frustration IMO is more around the stadium and the delays and certain players.

Hakkz · Oct 29, 2018

spursfan77 said:
I havent. Im pissed off with both but lets be honest, there's been lower periods in our recent history. For example, under sherwood, I detested going to games but still went. I absolutely hated being a Spurs fan then because he was a constant embarrassment to the club every week saying something stupid or behaving like a prat.

I am glad Poch has come out and said this, but I expect he will be ignored by the chairman. Lets see what happens when its discussed tonight on MNF and if he's asked directly about the quotes by those in the studio. I think his reaction (I expect him to hide behind a laugh) will be telling.

But under Sherwood you could always think "This can surely only get better". At the moment it's more "Is this as good as it gets?"

TottenhamMattSpur · Oct 29, 2018

Lou3000 said:
Obviously WHL had it's problems, but it hadn't been touched since '98. You have to wonder if we could have taken the stands individually over the last 20 years and steadily upgraded WHL.

Unfortunately, I think when ENIC took over they only ever had one goal, and that was a world class stadium.

A lot of it is starting to feel like overkill for me, which is really sad.
If spending so much time and money it loses us the best manager we've had in a generation, it'll always feel tainted.

ernie78 · Oct 29, 2018

King of Otters said:
Feel so sorry for Poch. The man has moved mountains to transform the mentality of the club, achieving three consecutive top 3 finishes while working on a shoe-string budget, managing a choppy transition from one stadium to another, and being burdened with budget French wingers and relegated dross.

He deserves more than any other manager in my lifetime to be backed to hilt by the chairman, but instead we end up breaking records for lack of transfer activity.

It's a fucking travesty.

This is it, I think that we progressed on the pitch a lot quicker than Levy thought we would. I think he’d banked on the new stadium’s income and sponsorship to be able to buy a few standout players but we peaked and he didn’t/couldn’t/wouldn’t get the players we needed. I have a terrible feeling we missed the opportunity to push on with this group, evidence on the pitch and now words coming from Poch seem to confirm this.

spursfan77 · Oct 29, 2018

ernie78 said:
This is it, I think that we progressed on the pitch a lot quicker than Levy thought we would. I think he’d banked on the new stadium’s income and sponsorship to be able to buy a few standout players but we peaked and he didn’t/couldn’t/wouldn’t get the players we needed. I have a terrible feeling we missed the opportunity to push on with this group, evidence on the pitch and now words coming from Poch seem to confirm this.

Another way to look at it is, has this group taken us as far as they can. Players get too used to the manager's voice and become comfortable. Doesn't it feel a bit like that with some of our players? There's a reason why the best manager in PL history always reinvented his team. This has been said by numerous others too.

TottenhamMattSpur · Oct 29, 2018

I have serious doubts Levy would ever match a top class managers ambition. If the stadium paid for itself and raked in an income like no one else in the world, that money would go somewhere else.
We will only ever spend what we earn in the transfer market. We sold no one of note this summer, hence we signed no one.

When the "highest finish with lowest net spend" trophy is inaugurated, we'll be racking up the medals thereafter.

King of Otters · Oct 29, 2018

ernie78 said:
This is it, I think that we progressed on the pitch a lot quicker than Levy thought we would. I think he’d banked on the new stadium’s income and sponsorship to be able to buy a few standout players but we peaked and he didn’t/couldn’t/wouldn’t get the players we needed. I have a terrible feeling we missed the opportunity to push on with this group, evidence on the pitch and now words coming from Poch seem to confirm this.

The sad truth is, I think we have. I don't see any signs that the leadership at Spurs have the appetite to compete with the likes of City and Liverpool. Levy is all about adding value to the club, 'titles', as Poch says, are of secondary importance.

TottenhamMattSpur · Oct 29, 2018

King of Otters said:
The sad truth is, I think we have. I don't see any signs that the leadership at Spurs have the appetite to compete with the likes of City and Liverpool. Levy is all about adding value to the club, 'titles', as Poch says, are of secondary importance.

It's at total odds with each other though.
If Levy wants to add value, success is the key. United are one of the most valuable clubs in football. It's not based on Old Trafford or having Paul Pogba in the squad. It's because they were on top for 20 years.

Seafordian Spurs · Oct 29, 2018

The thing that's holding us back from 'creating a dynasty' are wages or, in our case, the lack of them in comparison to other top six teams.

This, alongside the stadium etc, has definitely hampered us.

Let's say Manchester United decide they want a fresh approach. A young manager with the mandate to 'build a dynasty'. They would in theory be able to tie down and KEEP a young core who grow and develop together. Even if they have a couple of years out of top 4, they're financial clout would see them through.

We can't offer that. Our best chance at success was riding the crest of a wave the seasons Leicester and then Chelsea won the league. Since then, we have regressed slightly. Not Poch's fault. We haven't bought anyone or dealt with the want aways (who wouldn't have wanted away in the first place if we could offer other top six teams' wages)

Eddie Howe? Sure, why not. But unless the stars align and he nails it during a Leicester kind of season (as Poch didn't) he'll face the same challenges and glass ceiling.

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