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Seeing as we are going after top level targets who would presumably be getting pursued by a lot of top teams, and are getting rejected, surely there's a problem somewhere? Either scout lower level gems like Alli and accept you can't bring in top players or do something otherwise to push the deals over the line.
wrd
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Time to google agent fees and find that Liverpool are staggeringly ahead on that front. Managed to land Van Dijk over city and Alisson over every1. I WONDER WHY
aliyid
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So it leads us to two different target areas.
We'll struggle to get the best players from tier 2 teams but we can 'potentially' get emerging top players from tier 3 teams and possibly big names that haven't succeeded at big teams like VDV, James Rodriguez, etc... (but the Rabiot comments suggest some of these level players may falsely see themselves as deserving bigger than us).
Shopping in the prem is too expensive when you consider even youth prospects are being quoted in excess of £20m
SpartanSpur
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Rabiot has been tapped up by Barca, I wouldn't put him in that bracket. Moura and Aurier were more in that bracket, I don't think we could have convinced Lucas to join us 3-4 years ago.
archiewasking
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Sounds a lot like MoPo has options which we can afford but doesn't fancy them. Are the players who are gettable so bad, or is MoPo just plain stubborn and only wants the toy he wants? Not promising.
"Variables" and having to "grit our teeth" also sounds far from promising. And if VJ was down to Poch, why the hell has the guy vanished off the face of the earth? Not even mentioned in the club's injury updates!!
archiewasking
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Sounds like we have to wait until players give up on getting to the very top and accept they have to make do at our level. Fabulous.
wrd
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Well the hope will be that they go to these clubs early, don't make it and then under a manager like Poch turn into worldies.
Hakkz
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Agreed. To change the outcome, we may need to change the process. Like it is now we won't be signing anyone.
SpartanSpur
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Yeah it's hardly inspiring, certainly appears to be the case unless our model changes. We might occasionally get lucky with a player buying into the project a la Sanchez, but if they have even a 25% chance of a move to Barca or equivalent, they just seem willing to wait and hope for the dream move.
matthew.absurdum
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I find ourselves in a position very close to Dortmund (instead of Napoli and Sevilla). Dortmund cannot buy mega-stars as well. And you can't imagine dele would go to Dortmund. What they are doing is to buy potential stars with risks (Sancho, dembele) / some old boys (like gotze and kagawa)/ and some good players (that can turn out to be very good) but not world class (paco alcacer - a bit like Lucas to us. And Delaney )
All teams will have their hits and misses, and looking back at the last season, we did get in Sanchez, Foyth and Moura, who all look like successes. But the very real possibility of us wasting yet another transfer window without addressing our issues in the centre of the park doesn't look ideal to me.
Would it be beyond the realms of possibility for the club to collectively decide that "fudge, we really screwed that summer window up, and we'll have to pay for that now by paying very much over the odds and greasing some wheels that we'd rather not grease so that we at the very least have a CM that will be fully integrated and ready to contribute from the start of next season?"
We probably know the answer to that one...
Would it be beyond the realms of possibility for the club to collectively decide that "fudge, we really screwed that summer window up, and we'll have to pay for that now by paying very much over the odds and greasing some wheels that we'd rather not grease so that we at the very least have a CM that will be fully integrated and ready to contribute from the start of next season?"
We probably know the answer to that one...
leemason2302
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If our owners are incapable of signing a single target for the best manager we have had in years, is it time for them or him to move on? I couldn't imagine being in a job where im constantly told the tools i require are unattainable, whist watching others get what they want.
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JonnySpurs
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It's difficult to hear when players have turned us down, particularly in the case of De Jong, who is someone we'd have all taken.
I actually think our biggest problem and the thing that will put off a lot of top players is our lack of trophies. We haven't won anything since the League Cup and that really doesn't count for much, neither does the FA Cup from back in '91 really so the Uefa Cup in 84 was the last major trophy we won, 25 years ago. Obviously wages, agents and many other factors come into it but the reality is that we need to start a culture of winning, which is pretty hard to do when you can't land the top players to start that culture. It's a catch 22 situation in many ways.
Feels as though, at least for a few more years, we're going to need to find more young prospects like Dele Alli and Eric Dier that then pan out fairly quickly into first teamers. Maybe Jarrod Bowen from Hull is one such option.
Either way I think we need to keep our expectations low for now, which I'm sure they already are for many of us.
I actually think our biggest problem and the thing that will put off a lot of top players is our lack of trophies. We haven't won anything since the League Cup and that really doesn't count for much, neither does the FA Cup from back in '91 really so the Uefa Cup in 84 was the last major trophy we won, 25 years ago. Obviously wages, agents and many other factors come into it but the reality is that we need to start a culture of winning, which is pretty hard to do when you can't land the top players to start that culture. It's a catch 22 situation in many ways.
Feels as though, at least for a few more years, we're going to need to find more young prospects like Dele Alli and Eric Dier that then pan out fairly quickly into first teamers. Maybe Jarrod Bowen from Hull is one such option.
Either way I think we need to keep our expectations low for now, which I'm sure they already are for many of us.
Johnny J
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Thanks.
If our preferred targets consistently don't want to come, then we need different targets, and accept we can't shop in the same place as City etc right now.
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"It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have
set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory."
Hope the Club realises this does not apply to transfer targets ?
set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory."
Hope the Club realises this does not apply to transfer targets ?
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Sounds like for all our progress, we’re still short of having the pulling power to beat our rivals to the most sought after players in the majority of cases. Understandable. All of our domestic rivals have won multiple leagues since our last triumph, we’ve had by far the least amount of Champions League football. We’re still very much the sixth most recogniseable and appealing destination in England.
Hugely disappointing to hear this but I am pretty sure this is old news. Weren't we told that De Jong and Pulisic had turned us down in the summer?
Anyway, as Spurs fans we are obviously biased, but to young footballers with the pick of all the top clubs to choose from, I can see why Pulisic would prefer Chelsea.
Pulisic is what, 21 or something? Since he was a kid, Chelsea have been winning major trophies left right and centre. Would anyone like to bet decent money that Chelsea won't win another major trophy before us? We have won one poxy league cup in about 15 years and until recently were never in the CL with any regularity.
We are still seen as plucky underdog unfortunately despite recent impressive seasons, and I do think people overegg the new stadium effect. Sure, current Spurs players are looking forward to playing there no doubt, but it is wildly optimistic to think it is much of a pull for new signings.
Players want big money, and to play for a prestigous club with recent history of competing and winning the biggest trophies, and we can't honestly say we tick both those boxes.
Anyway, as Spurs fans we are obviously biased, but to young footballers with the pick of all the top clubs to choose from, I can see why Pulisic would prefer Chelsea.
Pulisic is what, 21 or something? Since he was a kid, Chelsea have been winning major trophies left right and centre. Would anyone like to bet decent money that Chelsea won't win another major trophy before us? We have won one poxy league cup in about 15 years and until recently were never in the CL with any regularity.
We are still seen as plucky underdog unfortunately despite recent impressive seasons, and I do think people overegg the new stadium effect. Sure, current Spurs players are looking forward to playing there no doubt, but it is wildly optimistic to think it is much of a pull for new signings.
Players want big money, and to play for a prestigous club with recent history of competing and winning the biggest trophies, and we can't honestly say we tick both those boxes.
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