CantSmileWithoutYou
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Match Threads Tranmere Rovers vs Spurs - Match Thread = FA Cup Round 3
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rez9000
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Ah, but the key thing to remember, Baz is that at present, the average 'effective' playing time per half is about 30 minutes. All the new system that was suggested would do is stop the clock every time the ball went out of play. So, although the time the ball was actually in play would drop to 30 minutes, with the throw-ins, preparing for a free-kick, getting the ball for a goal kick, substitutions, etc, etc. the actual half would still be around 45 minutes anyway.
As for the broadcasters, it wouldn't make any significant difference to them for that reason, but also because they already have to deal with games finishing at unknown times due to stoppage time. No football match lasts precisely the same length of time as any other right now either so it would be status quo. And even if all time-wasting was removed from football (which the new system is aimed at doing), it just means more space for advertising, which they'd love.
The real winners in the proposed system would be the fans because they won't have to put up with players deliberately time-wasting, because the clock is stopped.
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thinktank
Hmmm...
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Sure.
I stand by what I said.
He should stay here.
He's not ready for the step up.
And we should have started 4231.
I say what I mean.
Phomesy
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What "tin foil hat" about pointing out a factual situation where a system is, by its very nature, arbitrary and, therefore, needlessly open to both human error and human abuse?
Suggesting a "stop clock" policy is no different to suggesting goal line technology and VAR.
Very odd to describe it as "tin foil hat".
If I'd suggested Spurs were being victimised by this then perhaps. But I didn't. Because that's not my point.
The reason he brought Kane on though is brilliant. So the crowd can see him. That’s proper football.
Phomesy
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Well, exactly!
Sorry if I rant about this but I come from an Aussie Rules background and just find the "added time" system here completely bizarre.
Just getting rid of "timewasting" itself would be worth it. Isn't this all just obvious?! lol
rez9000
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Absolutely. As you say, there is absolutely no reason why this should be the case in a professional sport.
Mr.D
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Ahem, shouldn't you be eating fish or something?
SpartanSpur
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The match was good fun but that long Poch interview with Harry talking us up after was even better.
'Grats to big Nando. Hope we keep him lurking until the summer, has looked fitter and sharper in his minimal time this season and is handy if we get some favourable FA Cup draws.
'Grats to big Nando. Hope we keep him lurking until the summer, has looked fitter and sharper in his minimal time this season and is handy if we get some favourable FA Cup draws.
rez9000
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Not for another three months, old chap! Long way to go yet.
wadewill
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That’s part of the game, always has been always will be. This isn’t an American sport where you can stop the clock and finish on a buzzer.
You are entitled to your opinion but it’s a terrible idea.
Do you know how long some games would go on for if they stopped the clock when the ball went out or for injuries and subs etc..
Get your point on open to corruption etc.. but its incredibly unlikely a situation like that would happen to unfold in a match where a ref was being paid off.
I’m sure it would get looked at when it seems a ref is playing too much or too little
It was a pity thing tonight always is in Cup games, if that was a league game it would have been the usual 3 mins to maintain integrity
rez9000
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About 45 minutes per half if the clock time was 30 minutes.
Here's an article on it. The key part is right at the top:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40311889
This is the issue - there wouldn't be any real change for the watching fan. They would still see games of around 45 minutes per half. So, what's the objection?
EDIT: Here's the real kicker: On the 30th September this year, Cardiff played Burnley in the Premier League. If you took the stoppages out of the game, do you know how long the ball was actually in play for?
42 minutes.
Of the 90.
Only 47% of the 90 was taken up by actual football.
Phomesy
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Isn't that exactly what the ref is suppose to "add time" for?
Otherwise why not just do what Rugby do and just end it the first play after the 80 minutes?
How would you know? Besides - the point is that something like that shouldn't even be an issue in a professional sport.
Really struggling to understand how anyone could think otherwise. The solution is so simple and effective and really wouldn't change anything other than removing human error or abuse.
"Usual 3 minutes" which becomes, 4; 5 or 6 minutes depending on a completely arbitrary decision by someone whose focus should be solely on the events of the game itself.
And I totally understand that tonights "1 minute" was a mercy job. My point was that it just highlighted the absurd situation the sport finds itself in - he made the added time up. The referee chose something that should never be in his remit to choose.
Sorry - I get you guys have your tradition but this is an absurd situation. Especially given the prevalence of spot-fixing in Sports these days.
And, of course, you'd rid the game of the revolting "timewasting" we have to put up with in game after game after game.
Sorry mate. Not with you on this one. Think it's totally ridiculous.
Gb160
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But the difference here is there have been countless times where wrong decisions by a ref have directly affected the outcome of games.
So using technology in that instance is common sense, refs aren't robots, they won't see everything.
Re: the Fergie time thing you mentioned, tongue in cheek or not, its a bit tin foil hatty to suggest something untoward was going on imo.
No big deal, I just think as stop clock is unnecessary, that's all.
homer hotspur
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well, I definitely agree that ' he should stay here'
Phomesy
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Fair enough. Culture sport shock and bug bear of mine lol
Ionman34
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Well it’s not really is it? The fact that the World and his Wife refer to “Fergie time” as a thing suggests that it’s not a “conspiracy theory” but something that happened so regularly that almost everyone recognised it as such and gave it a name. Christ, it even gets referred to now by commentators and pundits. It wasn’t an urban myth, it was an occurrence that happened so regularly that EVERY team’s fans recognise it.
For my onions, I think the “stopwatch” idea is definitely a good one. This “it ain’t broke so don’t fix it” attitude is wrong in my opinion. It doesn’t have to be broken for the situation to be improved.
TheChosenOne
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This was an observation I made during the Burnley match 3 weeks ago :
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I actually watched the timer when the ball went out for a Burnley GK when they brought on Chris Woods.
It was 62 seconds from the ball going out and then back into play by Hart.
We had a similar situation timed at 30 seconds.
Shadydan
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Have a night off, your trolling gets boring.
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Gb160
Well done boys. Good process
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No that's where you're getting things a bit mixed up I think mate.
Fergie time was when they scored in added time in a lot of games, mainly because the opposition eventually folded under relentless pressure, nothing to do with this daft conspiracy that gets floated about time added on by referees until they score.
Just think about what you're suggesting for a minute...concerted corruption of all referees.
#Rawky
