doom
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We can’t spend the ridiculous amounts that L’pool have done over the last few seasons though.
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Breezer
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Not me.
$hoguN
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Which quite frankly is a bit stupid, because we need this type of signing to kick on. So we would be better off adding one player and then no-one the next window than simply not adding someone now and also failing in the summer for the same reason
Breezer
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Just imagine DL doesn’t sign another player in Jan or next summer. The outrage from the fans would be insane! Poch knows eventually DL will have to deliver a player he really wants. However if we fall short of CL this season it’s going to be squeaky bum time regarding transfers in the summer.
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if he is manager he portrays himself as, then why cant he buy a alternative player and turn them into the player he would want us to waste all this money for?
For me the club is stuck in a hard place, the transfer norms have changed drastically in the past two years. £35m get you now a potential young talent that everyone is aware of. We need to be identifying players like say Piatek before they make an impact. But then again that would go against what Pochettino wants. Adapt the Chelsea model of buying up young players and loaning them out.
I only see this ending really bad for us. No Pochettino and no decent players in 2/3 years time.
For me the club is stuck in a hard place, the transfer norms have changed drastically in the past two years. £35m get you now a potential young talent that everyone is aware of. We need to be identifying players like say Piatek before they make an impact. But then again that would go against what Pochettino wants. Adapt the Chelsea model of buying up young players and loaning them out.
I only see this ending really bad for us. No Pochettino and no decent players in 2/3 years time.
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LeParisien
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He is turning to youth as the right players aren’t available (per itk). Against Fulham Sterling, KWP, Skipp and Parrot were with the squad. He could have panic bought a more experienced player. He hasn’t. He’s waiting for the right player who can add some competition.
If he picks Sterling instead of 100k Llorente then there is something wrong. Poch has never patronised young players and he won’t start now.
It’s possible to disagree with what Poch and Levy are doing but it’s bad faith to drive a wedge between them. And let’s face it - they’ve done a pretty spectacular job so far so should have earned some trust.
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So what I still don’t get is.... if the targets Poch wants are De Jong for example and Levy is willing to pay but the player wants Barca or PSG, is Poch then saying... ‘well then I don’t want a CM!’? This seems crazy you have to have other options surely?
LeParisien
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You have no idea if that’s true or not. You make up narratives in your head that have no basis in reality and then search for evidence that fits your narrative, discounting evidence which is inconvenient.
Hercules has very clearly stated that buying a top player for 60/70m represents a risk because it’s a huge chunk of our budget. You say (against the evidence) that this is because Levy won’t sanction it. You assume (against the evidence) that this is despite Poch wanting to sign these players.
Perhaps the nuanced truth (which fits with the evidence) is that Poch and Levy both agree that if a large chunk of the budget is going to be spent then it should be spent on the right player. Not all players who would cost 60/70m are worth the risk. Not all of these expensive players fit the very specific personality profile that Poch requires. You have to have that Spurs profile these days.
Remember also that there’s an opportunity cost. Once you spend that money you don’t have it to spend elsewhere and so Poch and Levy have to spend judiciously. If they can’t get value for the squad and value for money then they have clearly decided not to spend at all.
Poch has said very clearly that in that case it is better to use young players from the academy who won’t mind being on the bench.
LeParisien
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Is that what you’ve learned from this season ?
I guess I’ll never stop saying this for as long as I post here but most fans have bought into the SkySportsification of football where spending money is the key barometer of success. Players are seen as a series of scores out of 20 and glory comes in CA and PA.
This is at odds with the way Poch and many coaches see the game. Poch places a significant value on human qualities that cannot easily be bought. (So did Ferguson btw - always banging on about the importance of understanding what it means to be a united player.. the United way etc ).
We are third, in 4 competitions and playing well. We spent not a joy last summer.
How does that not create cognitive dissonance for you?
coy-spurs1882
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they think they can get two with 100m but the fact is you can only get one
Paolo10
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And if we end up 5th by a point or GD or something and win nothing? Wouldnt the lack of investment and depth in the squad be a factor?
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There was something wrong in signing Llorente in the first place, a player wholly unsuited to our style of play as proved by his inclusion on Sunday where we had to change formation to try and make use of him and even that didn’t work.
Picking academy players for the bench isn’t turning to youth, it is sticking with the second rate senior players in our squad when our first 11-14 aren’t available.
Say we pay up and buy a 100 million pound player and he is a flop ? Not only have you used up all the budget but you are then stuck with a 100 million pound flop on enormous wages who no one is going to take off your hands. You fack up both the transfer budget and the salary budget. If we have say 200 million to spend then it might be worth the risk but it is plain stupid to put all your eggs in one basket no ?
freeeki
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We’ve won bugger all for ten years.
FibreOpticJesus
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It is clear...Poch's way or no way. Time and time again we see it. Both on the pitch and now off it. I think I will hang in for the ride.
spursfan77
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It’s truely amazing how many people completely ignore what the manager says. It was the same when the Man Utd links were at the strongest. Everyone said he wants out despite he himself saying his future is at THFC.
He’s the mouthpiece of the club and people should listen to him.
I suspect he’s still more frustrated at us not being able to move on the players he doesn’t want at the club. The whole summer we were told we needed to get rid of players before signing new ones, but we’ve failed so far this window to do this. Again, the manager has said the same thing (in relation to the champions league squad) but it’s been ignored.
LeParisien
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I completely agree with you about Llorente. Manifestly unsuited to the way we play football. He probably has a very positive effect on the dressing room given his experience and willingness to sit on the bench but tactically a misfit. I hope the lesson we’ve learned is it’s better not to buy than to buy a Llorente. Evidence suggests that’s plausible.
Poch clearly doesn’t think out players are second rate and whilst they’re not world class, they’re doing OK!
If there were a sustainable magic wand to go from winning bugger all for 10 years to winning regularly, everyone would be waving it.
Read what’s jj has written. Read what Poch has said. There is a project. The club is being built sustainably and the people that matter believe in its future success.
I 100% agree with what you have said.
If player X does not want to come to Spurs why hasn't Poch dentified any other targets?
If player X is unobtainable due to wages, fees etc is Poch justified in being stubborn and refusing to look at alternatives? Will this force Levy's hand?
It's a bloody nightmare!!!
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