wakefieldyid
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I understand that he's talked it over with Wilf Zaha and decided that he may as well fork out a little bit extra and buy a return ticket to Manchester!
Let's All Laugh At... Let's all wonder what's going on at United?
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Shadydan
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But you don't have to watch it, this is the thing for me - people are just needlessly outraged I'm actually convinced that they enjoy being triggered by such a minor thing, the guy's on holiday and having fun, so what, if he wants to act like a bellend then it's his choice.
He's not a role model, he's a footballer - If there's parents out there telling their kids to use him as a role model then you're failing as parents.
nailsy
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- Jul 24, 2005
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I was right...they really are using our transfer model.
'O Zio
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Not sure I really understand your argument there mate. Nobody's said they were forced to watch it. When someone shares a video on here, what's wrong with checking it out to see what it is? If someone subsequently comments that he's made himself look a bit of a dick, I don't see what's wrong with that. Like I say nobody you keep quoting has displayed anything like what I'd call "outrage", they've just commented on the video that someone shared. Surely that was the whole reason why it was posted by someone in the first place on here, to discuss it.
Shadydan
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I already said that's not who my argument is aimed at though.
'O Zio
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I didn't understand what you meant then and I still don't
So you're quoting people and saying "well if you don't like it you don't have to watch it", but then you're saying you aren't talking to the people you're quoting? And if you're talking about people on twitter then I don't see the relevance. As I already said, there are hundreds of people on twitter outraged at just about everything you can think of so I don't see why the fact that a few people on twitter are "outraged" means that nobody on here can say Lingard comes across poorly in the video? I just don't understand what point you're trying to make, sorry mate. There's a strong chance I'm just being thick (it's been a long week) but I really can't work out what you're actually trying to say.
Shadydan
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I didn't understand what you meant then and I still don't
So you're quoting people and saying "well if you don't like it you don't have to watch it", but then you're saying you aren't talking to the people you're quoting? And if you're talking about people on twitter then I don't see the relevance. As I already said, there are hundreds of people on twitter outraged at just about everything you can think of so I don't see why the fact that a few people on twitter are "outraged" means that nobody on here can say Lingard comes across poorly in the video? I just don't understand what point you're trying to make, sorry mate. There's a strong chance I'm just being thick (it's been a long week) but I really can't work out what you're actually trying to say.
I made the original argument citing people over reacting on the internet saying stuff like he should be sold/sacked and pundits saying nonsense like he was wiping the gloss of Man Utd, it wasn't intended to members on SC which you seem hung up on.
The people on Twitter and media is relevant to my argument because I'm making a general point about public outrage and people on Twitter and the media happen to be the general public, whilst there are hundreds of people on Twitter outraged that's neither here nor there or doesn't alter my point about those who seemingly love to be triggered for some reason or another.
'O Zio
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spursfan77
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I’m not outraged by it obviously. I only watched it because he’s continually a bellend and I wanted to see what all the fuss is about. I agree though people just like a moan.
bceej
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Shockingly.
Krule
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Have they got another £430m to spend though ???.......
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/f...id-transfer-update-latest-news-Raphael-Varane
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/f...id-transfer-update-latest-news-Raphael-Varane
rossdapep
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In some respects I feel a bit of sympathy for OGS.
Whether or not he's out of his depth, I think he's been left a rotten situation. He's got to somehow offload the high earners who are preventing a humble and committed squad harmony. If he can't do that he's somehow got to manage it which is almost impossible for a rookie who probably doesn't have the respect of the likes of Sanchez, Pogba.
So he needs a fresh squad and he wants his own players in but because of their past activity they are getting asked for well over inflated prices.
At least when Poch came to us he was given the reigns and it was a bit easier for him to offload the wasters as they weren't on 200k plus or cost 50m+. Poch also had the bringing in the likes of Dier, Alli, for such cheap prices and wasn't expected to bring in 'stars'.
I'm not undervaluing the work Poch has done for a second as what he did for us was incredible and OGS is obviously not in Poch's league. I do however think that even Poch would have a monumental task on his hands had he have chosen to go there.
Whether or not he's out of his depth, I think he's been left a rotten situation. He's got to somehow offload the high earners who are preventing a humble and committed squad harmony. If he can't do that he's somehow got to manage it which is almost impossible for a rookie who probably doesn't have the respect of the likes of Sanchez, Pogba.
So he needs a fresh squad and he wants his own players in but because of their past activity they are getting asked for well over inflated prices.
At least when Poch came to us he was given the reigns and it was a bit easier for him to offload the wasters as they weren't on 200k plus or cost 50m+. Poch also had the bringing in the likes of Dier, Alli, for such cheap prices and wasn't expected to bring in 'stars'.
I'm not undervaluing the work Poch has done for a second as what he did for us was incredible and OGS is obviously not in Poch's league. I do however think that even Poch would have a monumental task on his hands had he have chosen to go there.
Krule
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Your answer is within your post...OGS wasn't 'left a rotten situation' . He took the job on knowing exactly how big a problem he was facing....unless sheer impetuosity took over at the opportunity to return to his old club as the boss...and I do suspect that may have been the case.
His early results were relatively predictable considering the opposition faced but he rode on that wave of success and together with the total support of the fans, literally forced himself into a full time position. I doubt very much whether thoughts of who would be leaving or which players were needed entered his head as he initially took the job on....he was just happy to wear the crown.
Poch is a little more astute and experienced than that. He would have come in with a plan already in mind, he also would have regarded it as a 'project' and explained to the board his vision for the future and timescale required.
The United board knee jerked and in hindsight probably bitterly regret giving OGS a full time contract. I blame them both for the current dilemma facing the club....a mixture of eagerness and exuberance from one and desperation to please the fan base from the other has landed them in a very awkward situation.
Loving it !!
'O Zio
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@Krule has hit the nail on the head above. No sympathy whatsoever from me, he knew exactly what the situation was and was more than happy to cash in on his early successes by accepting a proper contract etc. Everyone with half a brain said he was a good appointment to oversee the post-mourinho period until the end of the season but was nowhere near the right man for the job long term, but Utd got brainwashed by their own PR machine and started believing the hype that they'd manufactured themselves, much to their detriment.
NickHSpurs
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Huge money on Aaron Wan-Bissaka who let's not forget has only had one good season and there's many many examples of players who have faded after a good opening season.
The plan seems to be buy young British players which I respect but after such a bad end to the season the pressure is really going to be on OGS to hit the ground running when he's splashing this sort of cash.
The plan seems to be buy young British players which I respect but after such a bad end to the season the pressure is really going to be on OGS to hit the ground running when he's splashing this sort of cash.
Insomnia
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I disagree to an extent, I think the United faithful are very tolerant of young players , they give them encouragement & most importantly time, it's the old ****'s they vent there spleen at
Gassin's finest
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<insert obvs gag here>You really have to wonder what United are doing. They only signed Dalot 12 months ago who was supposedly the best young right-back in europe?!?
