mattyspurs
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I really need to change that. I haven’t been a blind man for 7 years! ?
The beginning of the end...
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ValenciaYid
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If we/Poch dont sort it out sharpish we will finish in sixth or maybe worse because the teams around us have everything that we are currently not demonstrating....therefore DL wont let piss poor performances become a habit, it needs to be dealt with immediately and if not by Poch by someone who can and wants to....
The Doc
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Coco-1101
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with whom he should have rotated. He even played 17 year old skippy as there was no one fit available.
Everlasting Seconds
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Follow the details, that post was in a sub-exchange about Klopp.
Saoirse
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Absolutely. And DL has proven he is not the type to let sentiment and previous success get in the way when things are clearly going wrong - he got rid of Jol and Harry after all despite the vast, vast majority of the fanbase disagreeing with him at the time.
Coco-1101
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I respect that you are ITK but this is a knee jerk statement which doesn't even make sense.
Ronwol196061
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It might add up for you as you only have a sample of one but I asked my mate Dave and he said we would go down.ok he us not a scientist but a cab driver from Stoke Newington and he knows numbers
Wadec
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Key part to this is someone who wants to.
Poch does not seem to have the passion he once did. Perfect game for him to find ot this week. If he cannot then I think we know how this goes...
SpursSince1980
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Poch's frustration has been growing steadily over the last two years -- that is to say, what he reveals publicly. We can only hazard a guess or two as to why he's in a corrosive malaise. Be it disillusionment in his own abilities, frustration toward a handful of players, antipathy toward Levy, impatience for winning a trophy, annoyance toward the media... who knows. Could be some of those things or none of those things. But what is clear to see, is that his 'project' has been deteriorating for the last year.
Also, it's clear for anyone with a set of eyes, that for some strange reason, we've been mired in a standard of play that's barely a notch above the halcyon days of AVB(oredom). The players lack zest, guile, and a bunker-mentality. They've often looked devoid of ideas, and in turn get frustrated with each other, the coaching staff, and themselves.
It's also fairly clear to see that opposition teams in the lower-half of the table feel comfortable playing against us. We've seen this play out multiple times; Bruce isn't some muggle magician who waved a wand and his trusty pack of underperforming Unicorns found a way to play us off the pitch. Bollocks to that. He just watched what many have done to us in the last year-or-so, and did the same. Pack the back with nine players behind the ball. Hoof it up to a big lad. Hold on for an opportunity on the break or a set piece. More-often-than not, we will concede, as we've become increasingly disorganized and brittle when it comes to transitioning back into a defensive posture.
This sort of thing shouldn't be happening at this point in Poch's journey with Spurs. We should (in theory) be a really well-oiled machine at this juncture. But we're not. In fact, we often look fractured and disjointed. And that's not something that can be denied or excused-away. Proof is in the pudding, and the fact is, our boys have been serving up a Shit Cake for nearly a year now. So, it's either the ingredients or the chef.
I really have no idea. But if there's any merit to what Val said about losing the dressing room, then it's hard to see how Poch and his coaching staff can come back. It'll take a massive effort from everyone involved to get this ship turned around and heading the right direction. The players need to be open to this possibility. Poch needs to exercise humility and realize his culpability too. If neither of those things happen congruently, there will be no cohesion or way out of the doldrums. And should that be the case, it's hard to see him remaining at the club beyond December.... If... big IF.... results and standard of play continue to decompose.
Also, it's clear for anyone with a set of eyes, that for some strange reason, we've been mired in a standard of play that's barely a notch above the halcyon days of AVB(oredom). The players lack zest, guile, and a bunker-mentality. They've often looked devoid of ideas, and in turn get frustrated with each other, the coaching staff, and themselves.
It's also fairly clear to see that opposition teams in the lower-half of the table feel comfortable playing against us. We've seen this play out multiple times; Bruce isn't some muggle magician who waved a wand and his trusty pack of underperforming Unicorns found a way to play us off the pitch. Bollocks to that. He just watched what many have done to us in the last year-or-so, and did the same. Pack the back with nine players behind the ball. Hoof it up to a big lad. Hold on for an opportunity on the break or a set piece. More-often-than not, we will concede, as we've become increasingly disorganized and brittle when it comes to transitioning back into a defensive posture.
This sort of thing shouldn't be happening at this point in Poch's journey with Spurs. We should (in theory) be a really well-oiled machine at this juncture. But we're not. In fact, we often look fractured and disjointed. And that's not something that can be denied or excused-away. Proof is in the pudding, and the fact is, our boys have been serving up a Shit Cake for nearly a year now. So, it's either the ingredients or the chef.
I really have no idea. But if there's any merit to what Val said about losing the dressing room, then it's hard to see how Poch and his coaching staff can come back. It'll take a massive effort from everyone involved to get this ship turned around and heading the right direction. The players need to be open to this possibility. Poch needs to exercise humility and realize his culpability too. If neither of those things happen congruently, there will be no cohesion or way out of the doldrums. And should that be the case, it's hard to see him remaining at the club beyond December.... If... big IF.... results and standard of play continue to decompose.
Everlasting Seconds
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Levy will be having a firm vision for the style of play at home in the new, fantastic stadium. And Pochettino won't be the guy to deliver that vision.
Saoirse
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NKoudou? Jansenn? KWP? Llorente? Lamela? Roles? Shashoua? Edwards? Gazzaniga? Tanganga? All players who either only got a look in as last resorts or not at all, and then funnily enough either didn't progress or didn't immediately perform when played for the first time in months and months. I get we don't have City's resources, but we haven't been good at making the most of the resources we do have.
Coco-1101
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Mourinho will.
Coco-1101
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Are you serious or just a troll. Why not you included the names from SC forum too.
JAYSTAR
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Poch's recent comments about only being a coach etc. probably pushed Levy too far. I'm all for Poch being confident about his philosophy etc, but there's a thin line between confidence and arrogance and it certainly sounded like they had disagreed about final decision making and Poch shouldn't have aired that publically.
ValenciaYid
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Im sorry mate but how long do you give it so that its not knee jerk? And Sundays performance did not start then, its just the latest in a long line of poor performances, poor management and strange decisions...shall we give it till Xmas when we may well be 15 points off top 4?
We are no longer a small club for many reasons that we all know, therefore we have to be ruthless and as i said this didnt start Sunday....
Lighty64
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I really hope they can sort it out in house asap as Poch has done a great job without getting a trophy which he deserves
trouble is if Jan is being effected and even had talks or clashed with Poch over the Toby situation, and going by what JJ said in the transfer wish list that one or the other will go (Poch v Toby), then unless Poch changes his mind the Jan situation might not get solved. with that happening within if the once happy family are not 1 anymore, how much time do you give it to be solved.
all this could also be the reason why Eriksen fancies a new challenge. I can also understand what someone else mentioned about some players not being happy Moura didn't start the CL. shame the final wasn't like the old days a week after the FA Cup.
I keep seeing you mention about how lucky we were getting to the CL final, yet 2 seasons running Liverpool have had enough luck to get there twice (only scrapped through the groups last season), and had the lucky start in the final
rossdapep
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I'm someone who considers himself to not be 'knee-jerk' and this is not knee-jerk.
What if we reach xmas and are adrift of the top 4, out style hasn't improved, players seem unsettled? Continue? Hope it gets better? Despite there being a risk we could get overtaken by the likes of Arsenal, United or worse Leicester, Everton.
What if players are grumbling? The atmosphere is completely different to the happy positive one from two years ago? Keep going? Hope Poch can get out of the rut?
He deserves the opportunity to bed new players in, he deserves the opportunity to find new solutions and he deserves the opportunity to heal any rifts once the window closes. But if things stay the same, that's declining in the football world. And there will be coaches out there who will be motivated to succeed here.
We have a very good squad. Let things fester for too long and it won't just be Poch leaving.
dudu
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The stats are the stats, sure. A calendar year doesn't really represent anything in footballing terms though and converting a set of random stats to a seasons worth of results isn't, in my opinion, a worthwhile excersise because it lacks significant context and analysis.
It's the kind of post that would probably get a lot of likes on twitter.
Coco-1101
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Then why didn't you said this before then. Why wait until sunday result? We are bigger cub thanks to Poch not levy. I don't think so we will be in this scenario which you are saying.
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