shelfmonkey
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I'm not sure this is over just yet. An unholy hammering Sunday, which to my mind is likely, and the shit will be flying again.
The beginning of the end...
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I'm not sure this is over just yet. An unholy hammering Sunday, which to my mind is likely, and the shit will be flying again.
McFlash
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Oh, so playing a tournament has not helped keep him fit?
SpartanSpur
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The good news is we know Poch and Levy are on the same page and Poch has his mojo back. Now it's all about the mending the relationship between Poch and the players. The upcoming matches should be telling on that front...
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Feels like something got sorted, now we need to give the guy time to get the ship back on track. Much happier about tomorrow now, must be said.
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Shadydan
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He's fit but obviously not match fit to the point where he can play 90 mins.
Had the Copa America then he went on holiday and came back late which meant he was weeks behind the rest of the team.
And then there's getting him Poch fit which will take another few months, I reckon he won't be getting regular starts until November at least.
nailsy
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That's no surprise.
Rose told that he can leave but still here.
Eriksen wants to leave and in limbo.
Jan has been left out of the team for whatever reason.
Vic is surplus to requirements.
Dier has been injured for most of the year.
Etc.
I'm sure some of the negatively in the squad will disappear after the European transfer window closes and players regain fitness. A win this weekend would definitely lift the mood a bit.
wrd
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So just Rose then lmao
Well, if everything is rosy and Poch has genuinely regained his mojo, any player that has an issue can fuck right off as far as I’m concerned! Simple as that
Nothing I hate more than when someone representing our club in whatever form feels like it’s a chore or they’re somehow doing us a favour. This isn’t Tottenham mid 90’s
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https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ottenham-tension-arsenal-jack-clarke-transfer
Interesting article and pretty much explains Poch and his mood all summer in terms of his position in the transfer committee. Why Levy decides to buy players that Poch doesn't particularly feel the need for I don't know. Especially when some of our bigger deals we spent all summer trying to shave the costs down. I can understand why Poch feels frustrated seeing the Lo Celso deal rumble on whilst 10-12 million goes to a player he isn't keen on.
Of course is Clarke comes and turns out to be incredible then Levy will be vindicated but I can fully appreciate the friction in the short term.
Interesting article and pretty much explains Poch and his mood all summer in terms of his position in the transfer committee. Why Levy decides to buy players that Poch doesn't particularly feel the need for I don't know. Especially when some of our bigger deals we spent all summer trying to shave the costs down. I can understand why Poch feels frustrated seeing the Lo Celso deal rumble on whilst 10-12 million goes to a player he isn't keen on.
Of course is Clarke comes and turns out to be incredible then Levy will be vindicated but I can fully appreciate the friction in the short term.
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Not sure I agree about his point of recruitment when it comes to Clarke, all clubs buy up young talent, English talent is a premium, Clarke is the first for a long time for the club and has always been part of the clubs M.O since Levy took over. The loan deal and the fact he has barely played for Leeds, though, does sound plausible which is a shame.
It's a waste of time for him but also goes to show how much of a mockery the furore was about his future considering he is now buried because of other loanees Leeds brought in.
I'd like to say though, and I am happy to be corrected, but I thought Poch had final say on who we do and don't sign though? If this is this case, this whole article doesn't make a great deal of sense considering what happened the previous 18 months.
shelfmonkey
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Well, tomorrow's result (or performance at least) will surely signal the end of the beginning of the end or it will be the beginning of a new beginning of the end!
McFlash
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I do get all of that but disagree on the fact that a young, professional sportsman can be so desperately unfit after a few weeks off.
Especially seeing as though the rest of the team have hardly been running their arses of during the first three games.
Our press of previous years hasn't shown up yet.
danielneeds
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I suspect that Poch is using the fitness angle just to give him more time to acclimatise and find his feet. Takes the pressure off him a little.
scat1620
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With our furious pressing game no longer in evidence for some time, I think the much-lauded 'Poch fitness level' thing is completely overblown. We don't seem noticeably fitter than most other teams we play to me: we score plenty of late goals, but that seems to stem as much from our players taking a nap in the first half and not playing with any intensity until the last third of the match more than it does from just being relentlessly more energetic throughout the whole game than our opponents are.
I just don't buy 'Poch fitness' as a concept unless it's actually being demonstrated each week by us out-working the teams we're playing against: something I don't think we've been doing for a while. I reckon @mpickard2087 has my back here, right?
Therefore - while I'd be absolutely delighted if we went back to our 2015-2017 pressing game and actually made use of this supposed extra fitness we have in the bank when 'Poch training' kicks in - if we're not going to do that in games then let's not use it as an excuse to keep talented players like Lo Celso out of the side.
I just don't buy 'Poch fitness' as a concept unless it's actually being demonstrated each week by us out-working the teams we're playing against: something I don't think we've been doing for a while. I reckon @mpickard2087 has my back here, right?
Therefore - while I'd be absolutely delighted if we went back to our 2015-2017 pressing game and actually made use of this supposed extra fitness we have in the bank when 'Poch training' kicks in - if we're not going to do that in games then let's not use it as an excuse to keep talented players like Lo Celso out of the side.
McFlash
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Totally agree, especially as we seem to be crying out for a Lo Ceslo type player at the moment.
I don't want to make him out to be the new messiah or anything but he offers something different.
scat1620
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Yup, and I will say that if the team resume their pressing-like-madmen for the majority of the game routine that has served us so well in the past, then I'll totally be on Team Let's Introduce Lo Celso Gradually Until He Can Do That Too. But if we're not doing that, then chuck him in and at least get some more natural footballing quality in the side.
Last week, Poch said Lo Celso was nowhere even close to where they want yet he played almost 35 minutes. This week, he says Dele is an uncertainty after probably a week and a half of training after the injury and Lo Celso is still not really close. I have this creeping suspicion that Poch will spring a surprise.
scat1620
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I mean, ideally, I want both: Lo Celso in the side and our pressing game back in evidence. Why can't I have everything I want all the time?
Thats what im saying. I cant see Dele not start tomorrow. Lo Celso, i would not be surprised if he starts.
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