Premier League 2020/21

Trotter · Oct 17, 2020

buckley said:
Butland should have got two reds for one incident disgraceful tackle . Have always said that the name of the person making the VAR decision because its his opinion that counts and if you get the same plank making bad decisions in the VAR room there is more chance of them getting kicked out and not be allowed to make their awful decisions .As it is now I am not aware of who is making these subjective decisions that very often change the course of the game .

Can you post what you are referring to.
Who is Butland playing for ?

spursfan77 · Oct 17, 2020

delawarespur said:
Is that worse than son v. Leicester or if anyone remembers Neto v. Liverpool at anfield for wolves? I can’t believe that’s offside, I genuinely don’t see it. In most cases, even when it’s really tight, I can live with it after the lines appear, but that one I genuinely can’t see it, even after the lines and everything.

Yep. It is level just like the Son ones. Hilarious that it’s Liverpool after the amount of times it helped them last season.

JCRD · Oct 17, 2020

I still think they could have perhaps just charged a monthly payment of say £30 to watch all the games that are on box office or something akin to that and do it month by month until fans allowed in.

Even if fans allowed in it will only be a small percentage so youll still have large numbers wanting to watch games - could have even done an extra payment month on month for the entire season.

Marty · Oct 17, 2020

MK Yid said:
Can you post what you are referring to.
Who is Butland playing for ?

He means Pickford.

philll · Oct 17, 2020

Saints have got one back.

14/04/91 · Oct 17, 2020

Shadydan said:
Klopp said Van Dijk not looking good.

Having not signed a defender, I’ve said all along that should Van Dijk get a bad injury then Liverpool could be in big trouble.
Ok Lovren was fairly average but he was always fit. Matip & Gomez struggle to play 3 consecutive matches.
Add in Alisson being out too....it’s all getting quite interesting

Rob · Oct 17, 2020

JCRD said:
I still think they could have perhaps just charged a monthly payment of say £30 to watch all the games that are on box office or something akin to that and do it month by month until fans allowed in.

Even if fans allowed in it will only be a small percentage so youll still have large numbers wanting to watch games - could have even done an extra payment month on month for the entire season.

Using a VPN to get around geo-restrictions is not illegal. It might violate the terms of service of whatever you're watching but that's it. The EPL have a whole can of worms ready to open if\when PPV matches go more mainstream. They're going to have to either change all their overseas broadcasting or just accept people will use a VPN to watch for free/cheap in US/Asia.

Shadydan · Oct 17, 2020

wrd said:
I mean they did, with Dier

Different situations though wasn't it?

The Son offside against Leicester was the equivalent to this, I think these offside decisions could be argued. But the Diee incident just made an absolutely mockery of the sport.

jonnyp · Oct 17, 2020

THFCjosh said:
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They've drawn the line over Mina's foot, this is a joke of a decision. Never offside.

Ridiculous decision indeed.

Regarding the decisions against us in these situations and in general, I have questioned from day one:
1) How on earth does the system have the resolution and fidelity to for instance call Son offside for Aurier's goal at Leicester last season? How accurately can it actually distinguish between differences in millimeters?
2) Is the footage they are reviewing in 60+fps or TV standard 25/30 fps? That can have a major impact in order to accurately determine when the passer actually makes contact with the ball and from which frame they will have to draw the lines. If it's 30fps then one frame is 33ms. In these millimeter cases those 33ms matter.
3) How accurate are those lines with respect to being completely perpendicular to the pitch? Even the slightest error in angle on such a wide pitch will have major impact on the accuracy.

hughy · Oct 17, 2020

philll said:
Saints have got one back.

Turned it off after the second. Might watch the second half...

TheTanguy · Oct 17, 2020

TheTanguy said:
Southampton will get their chances as well, hopefully Ings can score one or two goals.

Well, make that two at least.

Bulletspur · Oct 17, 2020

yankspurs said:
Today, City are wearing their normal blues. Arsenal? Wearing their third kits, which are also blue. Different shades but still. Who the hell approved that? Its going to be ridiculous.

This is what I have a problem with. Alternate kits should only be used when there is a clash of colours, with the away team obliged to change. City's colour is blue and Arsenal's is red, so why change?!

lennon180 · Oct 17, 2020

yankspurs said:
Seriously ridiculous. Just VPN to the US and watch it through Peacock. The nerve of them to charge that much per game.

Cheers Hank!! Just signed up with a VPN and got a 7 day free trial for premium which has live premier league games. You can use PayPal here in the uk to get around needing a U.S credit card. Just rewatching the 6-1 ??

Bulletspur · Oct 17, 2020

jonnyp said:
Ridiculous decision indeed.

Regarding the decisions against us in these situations and in general, I have questioned from day one:
1) How on earth does the system have the resolution and fidelity to for instance call Son offside for Aurier's goal at Leicester last season? How accurately can it actually distinguish between differences in millimeters?
2) Is the footage they are reviewing in 60+fps or TV standard 25/30 fps? That can have a major impact in order to accurately determine when the passer actually makes contact with the ball and from which frame they will have to draw the lines. If it's 30fps then one frame is 33ms. In these millimeter cases those 33ms matter.
3) How accurate are those lines with respect to being completely perpendicular to the pitch? Even the slightest error in angle on such a wide pitch will have major impact on the accuracy.

There were a couple VAR decisions where we benefited from last season where we won and should not have. Sheffield United was one that comes to mind.

king_yid · Oct 17, 2020

lennon180 said:
Cheers Hank!! Just signed up with a VPN and got a 7 day free trial for premium which has live premier league games. You can use PayPal here in the uk to get around needing a U.S credit card. Just rewatching the 6-1 ??

Says that I can't watch anything with a VPN on th ePeacock site

Phomesy · Oct 17, 2020

Ings has been in a rich vein of form for a long time now. Glad for him after his many injuries at Liverpool.

Hope he gets his brace at least today

Marty · Oct 17, 2020

jonnyp said:
Ridiculous decision indeed.

Regarding the decisions against us in these situations and in general, I have questioned from day one:
1) How on earth does the system have the resolution and fidelity to for instance call Son offside for Aurier's goal at Leicester last season? How accurately can it actually distinguish between differences in millimeters?
2) Is the footage they are reviewing in 60+fps or TV standard 25/30 fps? That can have a major impact in order to accurately determine when the passer actually makes contact with the ball and from which frame they will have to draw the lines. If it's 30fps then one frame is 33ms. In these millimeter cases those 33ms matter.
3) How accurate are those lines with respect to being completely perpendicular to the pitch? Even the slightest error in angle on such a wide pitch will have major impact on the accuracy.

The lines on the pitch are programmed for each stadium's pitch dimensions and the lines and goal line tech are tested thoroughly before every game.

I think they still use 30fps (maybe even 24, our software that broadcasts the games runs at 24fps) although I'm not 100% sure of that.

Either way there are several milliseconds of wiggle there as you rightly point out, and that is why I will always disagree with offside being a factual decision. On cases like today's you simply cannot be sure.

hughy · Oct 17, 2020

Marty said:
The lines on the pitch are programmed for each stadium's pitch dimensions and the lines and goal line tech are tested thoroughly before every game.

I think they still use 30fps (maybe even 24, our software that broadcasts the games runs at 24fps) although I'm not 100% sure of that.

Either way there are several milliseconds of wiggle there as you rightly point out, and that is why I will always disagree with offside being a factual decision. On cases like today's you simply cannot be sure.

I think it's fair to say that with this considered the benefit of the doubt which was always in the attacking team's favour has been taken away. I don't think a single Everton player, fan or pundit would have argued that the goal was offside had it been awarded.

Shadydan · Oct 17, 2020

Why tho?

Shadydan · Oct 17, 2020

Marty said:
He means Pickford.

Easy mistake to make I guess.

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