Jose Mourinho

spurs mental said:

Can you please refrain from posting that wannabee football hipster on this forum. Him and that other clown Windy have had a clear agenda since day 1. They said they'd find it hard to even enjoy a cup final win under Jose. Both twats.

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Lots of fans have indeed had an agenda against Jose from day 1. They have a reason though and its that his style of football is dog shit on the eye. I voted option 2 in the poll but I've has enough now. It is only moments of brilliance from Kane and Son with some N'Dombele thrown in that have us in 6th. We look lost without Kane, we've looked lost for week to be honest. I thought we'd be here in 12 months time but no we're here now. Just because some fans can't stand our manager and make no secret of it doesn't make their opinion any less valid. This football isn't the Tottenham way. Its fucking awful and I dread each game atm.

jeremystorey said:

The supposition that Jose has fallen out with various players... Do we know who? Or why?

Danny Rose. Okay. Makes sense. But he's not very good, and has pissed off other managers too.
Dele. Clearly something is wrong with this relationship. That goes without saying. But Jose gave Dele lots of chances last season. And old Dele showed up for about a month, and then reverted back to bad form.

Those are the only two I can think of off the top of my head.

Unless there's a school of thought that he's fallen out with Aurier too? Because the player stormed off and left the stadium at HT, after being subbed and getting a dressing down from the manager? He behaved impetuously. And should not be mollycoddled after pulling a stunt like that.

Who else?
Lloris? No.
Toby? Nope.
Dav? Can't see why.
Reggie? Maybe there's some left over disappointment with him and Lamela being dick wads and breaking social distancing protocols.
Dier? Not a chance.
Doherty? Unlikely.
PEH? Fuck, no.
Winks? Maybe. But he's given the guy a lot of chances. And more often than not this season, he has been average at best.
Sissoko? Hell-to-the-no.
Kane? Doubtful. Unless he is pissed about doing defensive work. But something tells me he knows it comes down to the players.
Sonny? No way in hell.
Stevie B? Nada.
Lucas? Maybe. But only has his own incompetence to blame.
Bale? Could be. But hardly has a leg to stand on (mostly 'cos it's usually injured!). He's been cack.
Vini? Perhaps. Though I'd imagine his frustration is probably directed more at himself, as he wants to do better.
Lamela? See Reggie.
Lo Celso? Does he still play for us?
Hart? Methinks not.
Tanguy? Certainly last season. This season? Not at all.
Davies? Honestly don't think he cares one way or the other.
Rodon? I'm guessing he gets on well with the gaffer.
Gedson? Does it matter?
Japhet? I don't think he would have cause for complaint, as he has been struggling with injuries all season.

So, if he fallen out with players and lost the dressing room, I'd be curious to learn exactly who are the players he has ruffled and no longer want him around.

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There doesn't have to have been a row with some although I wonder if Dier took the brunt of something after Liverpool.

Aurier is close with Sissoko and Ndombele, the fact that Ndombele fell under Jose's wrath last year and Sissoko has been dropped at times wouldn't surprise me if theyve spoken about Jose in close quarters or to others.

Bale and Jose seem to be of a different opinion in what he can do to get back into form. Considering Levy worked hard to pull it off and Levy does talk to players and their agents, its not hard to imagine they've complained to Levy about his treatment.
We had ITK that no-one was happy about things.

Dele is close to Dier. If he's gone off at Dier thats another clique he's peed off. Kane will know about it.

Toby is in and out of the team despite not doing a lot wrong.
Vinicius was brought in to play when Kane's out yet hardly gets a chance and Lucas is in and out too, neither will be happy and they are close.

Now considering our squad is very close as a whole, it wouldn't take alot for many to discuss things in private and start to see this attitude spread through the squad.

Colonel_Klinck said:

Lots of fans have indeed had an agenda against Jose from day 1. They have a reason though and its that his style of football is dog shit on the eye. I voted option 2 in the poll but I've has enough now. It is only moments of brilliance from Kane and Son with some N'Dombele thrown in that have us in 6th. We look lost without Kane, we've looked lost for week to be honest. I thought we'd be here in 12 months time but no we're here now. Just because some fans can't stand our manager and make no secret of it doesn't make their opinion any less valid. This football isn't the Tottenham way. Its fucking awful and I dread each game atm.

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Nah. Can't agree. Nathan and Windy are absolute yoghurts

rez9000 said:

Go on, peeps - Spam that. (Don't worry dtx, you won't actually get any Spam ratings because those who dish them out share your views.)

I like ratings because it lets me know who I share opinions with and who disagrees with me. This means I know who I'm going to engage with and how.

Also Spam ratings are an opportunity to be a little poisonous and that's a lot of fun.

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Yeeeeeeah @Yid121 - the above isn't really Creative either, but 10/10 for effort, anyway. Very well done!

As if we didn't have enough going against us

jeremystorey said:

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So, if he fallen out with players and lost the dressing room, I'd be curious to learn exactly who are the players he has ruffled and no longer want him around.

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Ali Gold touches on this for a bit in his latest video. Still watching as it just came out, but the relevant part starts at around 10:30 in the vid.

freeeki said:

Fairly sure Windy came out accusing himself of being a racist for woke points the other day.

Tiresome, tryhard twat.

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I have to add that Windy is easily one of the biggest twats I've come across on Twitter.

It's embarrassing he's Spurs and our fans have provided him with the platform he has.

jeremystorey said:

The supposition that Jose has fallen out with various players... Do we know who? Or why?

Danny Rose. Okay. Makes sense. But he's not very good, and has pissed off other managers too.
Dele. Clearly something is wrong with this relationship. That goes without saying. But Jose gave Dele lots of chances last season. And old Dele showed up for about a month, and then reverted back to bad form.

Those are the only two I can think of off the top of my head.

Unless there's a school of thought that he's fallen out with Aurier too? Because the player stormed off and left the stadium at HT, after being subbed and getting a dressing down from the manager? He behaved impetuously. And should not be mollycoddled after pulling a stunt like that.

Who else?
Lloris? No.
Toby? Nope.
Dav? Can't see why.
Reggie? Maybe there's some left over disappointment with him and Lamela being dick wads and breaking social distancing protocols.
Dier? Not a chance.
Doherty? Unlikely.
PEH? Fuck, no.
Winks? Maybe. But he's given the guy a lot of chances. And more often than not this season, he has been average at best.
Sissoko? Hell-to-the-no.
Kane? Doubtful. Unless he is pissed about doing defensive work. But something tells me he knows it comes down to the players.
Sonny? No way in hell.
Stevie B? Nada.
Lucas? Maybe. But only has his own incompetence to blame.
Bale? Could be. But hardly has a leg to stand on (mostly 'cos it's usually injured!). He's been cack.
Vini? Perhaps. Though I'd imagine his frustration is probably directed more at himself, as he wants to do better.
Lamela? See Reggie.
Lo Celso? Does he still play for us?
Hart? Methinks not.
Tanguy? Certainly last season. This season? Not at all.
Davies? Honestly don't think he cares one way or the other.
Rodon? I'm guessing he gets on well with the gaffer.
Gedson? Does it matter?
Japhet? I don't think he would have cause for complaint, as he has been struggling with injuries all season.

So, if he fallen out with players and lost the dressing room, I'd be curious to learn exactly who are the players he has ruffled and no longer want him around.

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Some of the agenda-driven narrative constructivists will answer you. Give them time to link up the assumptions.

skiba said:

Well I also intimated that it was Poch that gave up on the players, mentioned his mood after the CL final and his comments about leaving beforehand.

If you’ve read that whole post and come to the conclusion that I was blaming the players for the downfall of Poch and not his own actions then fair enough. It certainly want my intention or belief.

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Dude, it's a question of professionalism.

I work. I'm sure you work. With the odd exception we all work (or have worked). If we work for an employer we have a duty to them and if we work for ourselves, we have a duty to our customers. Ultimately, for the most part, we all answer to someone for the work we do and whoever that happens to be, they demand a certain level of work from us.

So why should footballers be any different? That's my challenge (not to you - I mean if I were in a position to posit it directly).

If I'm employed, and unhappy with an aspect of my working life, I raise it with my employer, or lodge a grievance. If I'm self-employed, I can choose to change my way of working, or change what I do.

But my employer or my customers wouldn't accept me, arbitrarily and without explanation, simply refusing to do my job because I'm unhappy in my workplace or with my working conditions. So why should footballers be any different?

Now, if there's something preying on my mind, then sure, it's understandable for an occasional dip or mistake. It happens. But there's a limit. Forgetting to save a project file and having to do it again is understandable. Lolloping about the office, sulkily clicking on emails just to go through the motions is not. Even if I've got a boss or customers that are being unreasonable.

Our players' performance in the last two games is beyond what is reasonable, regardless of what Mourinho may or may not have done. They are supposed to be professionals. And there's nothing people are claiming Mourinho has done that hasn't been done by many other managers to many other players all down the ages - there's nothing special about the Special One in that regard.

Called out a player? Yep, it's been done (see my previous posts for examples). Had an argument with a player? Yep, it's been done - don't need me to provide examples, there are so many. Frozen out a player? Yep. It's been done - ditto re examples.

Mourinho's intent is always in service to a specific objective - to win. Therefore, it's unreasonable of us to lambast him for doing what other managers have done time and again and will continue to do so, probably forever. Anyone who does that has a very limited understanding of the realities of football or is serving an agenda.

But what Poch did does stand out. It was unusual. I would challenge someone to find me an example of a manager making such unutterably foolish comments like he did on the eve of their club's historically most important match. It's akin to a general, in the last battle against his country's bitterest foe, surveying his troops and shouting at them, "Let's all go get ourselves killed, lads!"

What Poch did served nobody. Not himself, not his players, not his club. I don't think he meant it (and if he's as intelligent as I think he is, I'm sure he'll have understood just how ill-advised it was) but it served no purpose. At least Mourinho does what he does to serve a purpose. Anyone who suggests otherwise again is either very deluded or simply has an agenda.

When it comes to the players, they are worthy of approbation in both instances. And if because of their performances, Mourinho is sacked, they will have been the primary factor, not Mourinho. In the same way that they were just as responsible for Poch being sacked, monumentally foolish though his comments may have been. You can't call yourself a professional and claim a pay packet while refusing to work to the best of your ability.

As I say, some of their thinking may well be understandable. But their response to it isn't. We are all ultimately responsible for our own actions and trying to claim someone else's behaviour justifies being unprofessional is an unacceptable excuse for those of us who aren't footballers. So why should it be for them?

P.S. There are other factors at play here too - our chairman also bears some responsibility for what is going on. That is actually another reason why I get exercised about people wanting to put all the blame on the manager - be it Poch or Mourinho.

rossdapep said:

There doesn't have to have been a row with some although I wonder if Dier took the brunt of something after Liverpool.

Aurier is close with Sissoko and Ndombele, the fact that Ndombele fell under Jose's wrath last year and Sissoko has been dropped at times wouldn't surprise me if theyve spoken about Jose in close quarters or to others.

Bale and Jose seem to be of a different opinion in what he can do to get back into form. Considering Levy worked hard to pull it off and Levy does talk to players and their agents, its not hard to imagine they've complained to Levy about his treatment.
We had ITK that no-one was happy about things.

Dele is close to Dier. If he's gone off at Dier thats another clique he's peed off. Kane will know about it.

Toby is in and out of the team despite not doing a lot wrong.
Vinicius was brought in to play when Kane's out yet hardly gets a chance and Lucas is in and out too, neither will be happy and they are close.

Now considering our squad is very close as a whole, it wouldn't take alot for many to discuss things in private and start to see this attitude spread through the squad.

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We chose what to believe with what we see. The fall out has all but probably never happened, only incepted through here and some stupid Twitter accounts. If any, it has probably been made into a mountain out of a mole hill too, because it suits the case of Mourinho being divisive throwing people under the bus.

As for the team closeness, TBH, I'm not all that sure it really is. I think the club social media has painted that picture too beautifully for us to believe it in. Cliques, yes definitely. Team being closely knit - still a distance IMHO.

rez9000 said:

Given their propensity to part with their managers at the first sign of trouble, I'd argue it's the exact opposite. This is a club that has, since Abramovich took over in June 2003, had thirteen managers. That's if you only count each manager once and not including caretakers (Wilkins and Holland were only in post for less than a week each). If you count those who they employed more than once, it rises to fifteen.

On average a Chelsea manager has a shelf-life of about 14 months. Lampard was in post for 18 months. Take out the period of football shutdown and that comes down to...? 14 months (maybe a little more or less either side but only a little).

Then there's the fact that in terms of ambition, Chelsea are not in the same bracket as us or most other clubs. This is a club that (God, I want to hurl every time I think it!) are in the top echelon and are expected to challenge every year, regardless of who's at the helm, because of the resources they can bring to bear. Getting rid of Lampard isn't ambition, it's removing someone who is far outside where Chelsea's hierarchy expect them to be given those resources. It's not ambitious at all in their minds, it's getting them back to where they expect to be.

In our case, appointing Mourinho showed ambition - there was no-one else available who had the same history or stature in the game at the time (if ever). Getting rid of him would speak volumes.

I guarantee, if he leaves without winning anything, yes, there'll be those that will stick the knife into him as the Fallen Special One, but we as a club will be in for a massive amount of flak too. The media and other fans will have a fucking field day with us for being the club that even Mourinho couldn't turn around. And they'll do it regardless of whether he's the main source of our problems or if it's other factors. They won't care. The narrative will be so.

We should all think about that for a few minutes and imagine having to live through it.

And not just us. The players should be thinking about that too before they choose to keep throwing their toys out of the pram. They'll be branded too.

And even if no-one else comes in for Julian 'Dreamboat' Nagelsmann, I'm sure seeing the disaster unfold at White Hart Lane will, at the very least, give him pause too before he makes his mind up as to whether he wants to manage us or not.

We slate Man U for being a basket-case club, but the trajectory we're currently on doesn't make us much better.

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This is a fantastic post and embodies what I've been thinking about the past few games. I desperately want Mourinho to succeed, because I don't want this club to be the one where he couldn't win a trophy. It would be too much for me (for us). I would give anything to know what managers and players say about our club when it comes to considering signing to manage or play. I really wonder if a Rogers or Nagelsmann would come here. I think it takes a lot of confidence to come work with a heavily business-first organization that Levy has set up. You just have to know you won't get all the players you want, or you won't get a short 3 year playing contract but will instead have to commit to a 4-5 year, structured contract tied to your playing performance goals. Mourinho has that confidence to walk into a club like ours and believe he can do the job.

Furthermore, I think Mourinho has what I call the "genius curse." He is extremely intelligent with footballing tactics but I think he really struggles to connect with players who aren't the mold of boldness and confrontation that he embodies and embraces in his life. I think if you are a strong character or show that you'll die for him on the pitch, you'll love him because he'll show you his love. But if you are "complex" or need motivation or caressing, he'll kick you to the curb. I think he has no patience for this type of person because he doesn't know how to work with them, and that shows his ineptitude at the social-emotional piece of being a manager.

I think he needs to quickly come to terms with how he approaches and treats players. The first few minutes of the second half against Liverpool spoke volumes to me that something went down in that locker room. There should be shouting and corralling of energy to prepare for the second half, but if players are storming out and those relationships can't be mended to ensure you have the best players ready for the next game, then that tells me you have a manager who strugglers with the interpersonal relationships needed to manage the modern player. Today's player who is mega-wealthy, is desperate to play the game s/he loves, but is also one who understands that s/he is a business commodity to the modern day club which is no longer really a sporting club, but a business. These players have to be carefully managed much in the same way we all have to manage and interact carefully and respectfully with our colleagues in the workplace.

One thing I would really like to see, and I have no qualifications to say this because I know nothing about the professional game, is for Mourinho to pick a starting 11 and just go with it for 5 games or so. Don't bench a player because they make a mistake. It is too nerve-wracking for them. Do a bit of Poch and let them be free and play by their heart and get out of their own head. I think Poch did really well in this regard (but for some reason never really gave KWP a consistent run).

I'm hopeful Mourinho has time to turn things around, to reflect on his approach and remember, this is a club of young men and it is his job to help them to grow, achieve, learn, and deal with mistakes. I keep asking myself, if we give him the boot, who is going to come and manage the club? Someone will, surely, but I don't think we will get someone as experienced and with the pedigree of Mourinho.

ZiggySpurs said:

Ali Gold touches on this for a bit in his latest video. Still watching as it just came out, but the relevant part starts at around 10:30 in the vid.

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Ally mentions Dele, Aurier, Winks, Dier (said Mourinho was especially upset with him after Liverpool), Toby & Rose as players that Mourinho has pushed to the side a bit. He goes on to say those are a lot of very popular figures in the dressing room and other players will take notice to that.

Rubespur said:

This is a fantastic post and embodies what I've been thinking about the past few games. I desperately want Mourinho to succeed, because I don't want this club to be the one where he couldn't win a trophy. It would be too much for me (for us). I would give anything to know what managers and players say about our club when it comes to considering signing to manage or play. I really wonder if a Rogers or Nagelsmann would come here. I think it takes a lot of confidence to come work with a heavily business-first organization that Levy has set up. You just have to know you won't get all the players you want, or you won't get a short 3 year playing contract but will instead have to commit to a 4-5 year, structured contract tied to your playing performance goals. Mourinho has that confidence to walk into a club like ours and believe he can do the job.

Furthermore, I think Mourinho has what I call the "genius curse." He is extremely intelligent with footballing tactics but I think he really struggles to connect with players who aren't the mold of boldness and confrontation that he embodies and embraces in his life. I think if you are a strong character or show that you'll die for him on the pitch, you'll love him because he'll show you his love. But if you are "complex" or need motivation or caressing, he'll kick you to the curb. I think he has no patience for this type of person because he doesn't know how to work with them, and that shows his ineptitude at the social-emotional piece of being a manager.

I think he needs to quickly come to terms with how he approaches and treats players. The first few minutes of the second half against Liverpool spoke volumes to me that something went down in that locker room. There should be shouting and corralling of energy to prepare for the second half, but if players are storming out and those relationships can't be mended to ensure you have the best players ready for the next game, then that tells me you have a manager who strugglers with the interpersonal relationships needed to manage the modern player. Today's player who is mega-wealthy, is desperate to play the game s/he loves, but is also one who understands that s/he is a business commodity to the modern day club which is no longer really a sporting club, but a business. These players have to be carefully managed much in the same way we all have to manage and interact carefully and respectfully with our colleagues in the workplace.

One thing I would really like to see, and I have no qualifications to say this because I know nothing about the professional game, is for Mourinho to pick a starting 11 and just go with it for 5 games or so. Don't bench a player because they make a mistake. It is too nerve-wracking for them. Do a bit of Poch and let them be free and play by their heart and get out of their own head. I think Poch did really well in this regard (but for some reason never really gave KWP a consistent run).

I'm hopeful Mourinho has time to turn things around, to reflect on his approach and remember, this is a club of young men and it is his job to help them to grow, achieve, learn, and deal with mistakes. I keep asking myself, if we give him the boot, who is going to come and manage the club? Someone will, surely, but I don't think we will get someone as experienced and with the pedigree of Mourinho.

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In general principle, I'm in agreement with you - I too think that empathy and understanding are more likely to yield results in work environments and that includes in football.

But not in every scenario and specifically not in this one. For me, Mourinho's forthrightness is what I think we need, and I'll tell you for why:

Ally Gold was talking about the gentler approach earlier and while I was watching it, the same thought kept running through my head:

Man the fuck up!

What this group of players needs, desperately, is a massive kick up the proverbial. Not because their concerns (which I feel are firmly rooted in the blows to their confidence that they've taken at key moments in recent years) are invalid, but because soothing their pain isn't going to solve it in the long run.

They need to be angry. They need to be chomping at the bit to punish any opposition that dares to step up to them. It sounds primitive and unreconstructed to say, but it's about removing that soft centre that we've been carrying for so long.

At this stage of our evolution, every one of our lads should be turning into a Hojbjerg. Not in terms of risking life and limb or replicating his style, but every time they step onto the pitch, having that 'fuck you' attitude. Very few, if any, of our players have that. Maybe Toby or Coco come closest.

And if there are any who don't have the stomach for that, they shouldn't be at the club.

I know; you're right - it's a business. I've said the same myself. But given the ridiculousness of appointing the true grizzled veterans like your Allardyces or your Dyches (which I'd never advocate), Mourinho is the best person to turn a bunch of softies into warriors within the constrains of modern football.

If they don't want that, if they eschew the opportunity that he's presenting them, if they're so blind that they can't see the bigger picture beyond their smartphone screens, they don't deserve anything better.

Unfortunately, in that scenario, even if they win nothing, we're the ones who ultimately pay the price. They'll keep collecting their paycheques, retire at 35 to live the life of Riley, while we'll still be stuck here, bereft of any glory and pride in our tribe because they were too self-involved to put aside their selfish considerations in pursuit of a common goal.

dtxspurs said:

Ally mentions Dele, Aurier, Winks, Dier (said Mourinho was especially upset with him after Liverpool), Toby & Rose as players that Mourinho has pushed to the side a bit. He goes on to say those are a lot of very popular figures in the dressing room and other players will take notice to that.

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Dier was dropped for one chuffing game. Toby has been in and out, but that is a part of rotation. Aurier acted petulantly. And you can’t just let that slide. There’s being sensitive and then there is being precious. Same applies to Winks. He doesn’t get to just start every game cos he wants to. There is competition for spaces. If this is truly impacting the squad in the background, then we are completely screwed this season. As it will lead to more poor performances and Jose will get sacked.

mr ashley said:

Finally, to the fans who appear to enjoying this in order to get rid of Jose, the toldyouso’s -including the OP (who puts a voting option as ‘horrified can’t wait to see the back of him btw? FFS).
You need to have a look at yourselves if you’d rather see us struggle so your petty, small minded opinion can be proved right. That’s shit support

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I didn't put the poll in mate-- it came via another poster and was merged into my thread. I had SFA to do with it. What I did was simply ask the most neutral, normal, non-biased questions about Mourinho's hiring as I could muster. Read my OP (without the poll) and you'll see that in no way, shape or form was I digging out the gaffer; rather, I was just trying to get a conversation started. So no, I don't need to have a look at myself, but you do need to fuck off.

dtxspurs said:

Ally mentions Dele, Aurier, Winks, Dier (said Mourinho was especially upset with him after Liverpool), Toby & Rose as players that Mourinho has pushed to the side a bit. He goes on to say those are a lot of very popular figures in the dressing room and other players will take notice to that.

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I mean if the squad is upset because Winks was dropped we’ve got major issues. Winks is shit. He’s got some nerve to throw a fit about not playing. He absolutely should not be playing. Serge was in but is now done aftef Liverpool. Dier probably isnt no matter how poor he is. It was only one game. Toby has been in & out all year. Dele is out but should be in, so i’ll give ‘em that.

rez9000 said:

In general principle, I'm in agreement with you - I too think that empathy and understanding are more likely to yield results in work environments and that includes in football.

But not in every scenario and specifically not in this one. For me, Mourinho's forthrightness is what I think we need, and I'll tell you for why:

Ally Gold was talking about the gentler approach earlier and while I was watching it, the same thought kept running through my head:

Man the fuck up!

What this group of players needs, desperately, is a massive kick up the proverbial. Not because their concerns (which I feel are firmly rooted in the blows to their confidence that they've taken at key moments in recent years) are invalid, but because soothing their pain isn't going to solve it in the long run.

They need to be angry. They need to be chomping at the bit to punish any opposition that dares to step up to them. It sounds primitive and unreconstructed to say, but it's about removing that soft centre that we've been carrying for so long.

At this stage of our evolution, every one of our lads should be turning into a Hojbjerg. Not in terms of risking life and limb or replicating his style, but every time they step onto the pitch, having that 'fuck you' attitude. Very few, if any, of our players have that. Maybe Toby or Coco come closest.

And if there are any who don't have the stomach for that, they shouldn't be at the club.

I know; you're right - it's a business. I've said the same myself. But given the ridiculousness of appointing the true grizzled veterans like your Allardyces or your Dyches (which I'd never advocate), Mourinho is the best person to turn a bunch of softies into warriors within the constrains of modern football.

If they don't want that, if they eschew the opportunity that he's presenting them, if they're so blind that they can't see the bigger picture beyond their smartphone screens, they don't deserve anything better.

Unfortunately, in that scenario, even if they win nothing, we're the ones who ultimately pay the price. They'll keep collecting their paycheques, retire at 35 to live the life of Riley, while we'll still be stuck here, bereft of any glory and pride in our tribe because they were too self-involved to put aside their selfish considerations in pursuit of a common goal.

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Maybe mourinho should have brought in more players like you describe rather than the ones he has with the exception of PEH.

But I do accept alot of what you say.

EastLondonYid said:

Maybe mourinho should have brought in more players like you describe rather than the ones he has with the exception of PEH.

But I do accept alot of what you say.

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That’s why he needs time

TwanYid said:

I didn't put the poll in mate-- it came via another poster and was merged into my thread. I had SFA to do with it. What I did was simply ask the most neutral, normal, non-biased questions about Mourinho's hiring as I could muster. Read my OP (without the poll) and you'll see that in no way, shape or form was I digging out the gaffer; rather, I was just trying to get a conversation started. So no, I don't need to have a look at myself, but you do need to fuck off.

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Ok fair enough, didn’t know that had happened apologies

my point about the poll was just to highlight how some people from the very start have been keen to see him fail in order to get rid of him.
and I cannot respect that view
But if that’s not you, no problem.
don’t get me wrong, when he was a spiteful twat at Chelsea and Utd I couldn’t stand him. But it’s hard to argue that he wasn’t exactly the type of manager this squad needed. So you have to get behind him.
I don’t think we’ve had a poll of that nature for any other manager though

dtxspurs said:

Ally mentions Dele, Aurier, Winks, Dier (said Mourinho was especially upset with him after Liverpool), Toby & Rose as players that Mourinho has pushed to the side a bit. He goes on to say those are a lot of very popular figures in the dressing room and other players will take notice to that.

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WTF does Dier expect after all those mistakes that had cost us goals? A pat on the back and some comforting words to make him feel better? he is not 18 anymore and this is not under 23 football. Those very popular figures should look in the mirror and see the reason why they are not in the team.