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Player Watch: Erik Lamela

Trix

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How many times in a game do you see players put there arms out to fend of the challenge?
Do we book them all?
Consistency
With their arm that high? Let's be honest here all kids are taught to shield the ball, but with your arms at mid height. You hold off their body not their head. He looks around and sees the player and intentionally did what he did. Rules state intentional contact with the face/head is a foul. It's really that simple and if you think it was accidental you are incredibly naive imo.
 

Freddie

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Which is why it’s a great goal and whats the point debating about this when he had scored. On point C, again he’s right foot had nothing to do with us losing the game, the same argument you are using can be pretty much said about everyone else too. How is it objective when you are criticizing a player who actually performed (instead of the rest of the shit show) on his lack of right foot when he had scored a worldy with his left. This is just bizarre.
I'll tell you why, because he's been here 8 years and it's paid off twice, and finally scoring reminded me of that. What cost us the game? It's impossible to say that but he definitely ruined positive situations because of his right. I think I'm being objective because he's receiving a fair degree of praise on this thread and I thought he was ok at best. Anyway, I've said my piece. I'll go and slag all the other players off elsewhere.
 

Nicki78

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With their arm that high? Let's be honest here all kids are taught to shield the ball, but with your arms at mid height. You hold off their body not their head. He looks around and sees the player and intentionally did what he did. Rules state intentional contact with the face/head is a foul. It's really that simple and if you think it was accidental you are incredibly naive imo.
Exactly this - its the look around beforehand. Not to mention the ref was watching every move he made due to a couple of other strong tackles and had already had a word once or twice.

I love Lamela's flight at times and lets be honest not many players had it yesterday, but this was silly and you could see it coming a mile away.
 

Freddie

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So after last night, the player you find the need of replacing is lamela, the only player that is fighting for the cause apart from Lucas, he’s the problem that we need to be ruthless on dealing with and not the other shit shows that weren’t even trying in a fking NLD.
Let's take a step back. We have an attacking midfielder who has scored 17 league goals after nearly 8 years with us, either due to injuries or lack of quality, none of which will change. How can anyone justify keeping him? Because he presses aggressively? Personally I'd be happy to get rid of 4-5 of the attackers we have.
 

jezz

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With their arm that high? Let's be honest here all kids are taught to shield the ball, but with your arms at mid height. You hold off their body not their head. He looks around and sees the player and intentionally did what he did. Rules state intentional contact with the face/head is a foul. It's really that simple and if you think it was accidental you are incredibly naive imo.
He didn't touch his head.
Watch it again.
 

jezz

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I'll tell you why, because he's been here 8 years and it's paid off twice, and finally scoring reminded me of that. What cost us the game? It's impossible to say that but he definitely ruined positive situations because of his right. I think I'm being objective because he's receiving a fair degree of praise on this thread and I thought he was ok at best. Anyway, I've said my piece. I'll go and slag all the other players off elsewhere.
If you couldn't tell we were going to lose the game after first 10 minutes then you weren't watching the same game as me.
We were sat back inviting pressure hoping to use Sons pace to get in behind which ironically caused his injury.
Only in the last 15 minutes did we press them which they couldn't handle.
 

bat-chain

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If everyone played the game in the way Lamela does the game would be far better.

Most modern players are afraid or too lazy to have any genuine intensity in their play

I think he'll make an excellent manager one day, football means something more to him.
 

dtxspurs

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If everyone played the game in the way Lamela does the game would be far better.

Most modern players are afraid or too lazy to have any genuine intensity in their play

I think he'll make an excellent manager one day, football means something more to him.
I don't buy this at all. More teams press then basically ever before.
 

Gilzeanking

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Whatever the view of the first once you get one yellow, even if it's the wrong call, only an idiot commits the second.
Yep , but as I was saying elsewhere , he desperately needed after his 1st yellow and subsequent sliding tackles etc , someone ( team captain) to cool him down , arm round him calming effect . But we don't have an outfield captain or apparently any team mates who could surely see he was losing the plot and help him .
 

TheBlueRooster

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You know he's going to get a yellow in most matches but yesterday it was almost nailed on he was going to get a red.
In his defence we had a better shape once he came on and his goal was sublime. I didn't think his second yellow was warranted but could have had it earlier. If every player had his work attitude on the field we would be a much better team. He leaves nothing on the pitch at the end of the day. He gives his all, sometimes not always for the better. He never hides, he never complains. In fact if was told to cover Doherty yesterday he would have.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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So after last night, the player you find the need of replacing is lamela, the only player that is fighting for the cause apart from Lucas, he’s the problem that we need to be ruthless on dealing with and not the other shit shows that weren’t even trying in a fking NLD.
I'm not saying Lamela is the only player and I completely commende his effort but ultimately he also got sent off and has been on/off injured for the best part of 7 years and rarely produces consistent end product. But I agree some of the others not putting in the required effort isn't good enough either although as I've posted previously I feel a lot of the blame is to go on Jose's tactics and not so much the players as when you sit deep or don't press or have a play to retain possession of the ball and build attacks then attacking players will looks isolated no matter who they are its not fun playing with such little amounts of the ball.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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I've been saying for ages it's why I wouldn't start him. Coming on for half an hour so he has less time to get that second yellow but over the longer periods he's always a red waiting to happen.


Don't think I've ever disagreed with you before, Trix. :cry:

A career (so far) of 353 games across his career, playing for River Plate, Roma & Spurs.

Yesterday was his first red card for us in 8 years as a Spurs player.

The only other time he's been sent off, was in a Copa-Italia game for Roma more than 9 years ago.

Even the narrative that he picks up a yellow card in every game is a compete myth.

57 career yellow cards in 353 appearances.

Meaning an over-all average of 1 booking every 6 games.

Always a red card waiting to happen?

People really need to stop with that narrative when history clearly proves it as nonsense.
 

ralvy

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Oliver didn't book him for just that challenge on Tierney, it was for persistent fouling and that challenge was the final straw.

So if you do lots of fouls that are not worthy of a yellow, they should all add up to a yellow? I'm asking sincerely, since I don't know if this is one of the rules of the game or not.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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You know he's going to get a yellow in most matches but yesterday it was almost nailed on he was going to get a red.
In his defence we had a better shape once he came on and his goal was sublime. I didn't think his second yellow was warranted but could have had it earlier. If every player had his work attitude on the field we would be a much better team. He leaves nothing on the pitch at the end of the day. He gives his all, sometimes not always for the better. He never hides, he never complains. In fact if was told to cover Doherty yesterday he would have.



You don't. You're wrong.
 

Trix

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Don't think I've ever disagreed with you before, Trix. :cry:

A career (so far) of 353 games across his career, playing for River Plate, Roma & Spurs.

Yesterday was his first red card for us in 8 years as a Spurs player.

The only other time he's been sent off, was in a Copa-Italia game for Roma more than 9 years ago.

Even the narrative that he picks up a yellow card in every game is a compete myth.

57 career yellow cards in 353 appearances.

Meaning an over-all average of 1 booking every 6 games.

Always a red card waiting to happen?

People really need to stop with that narrative when history clearly proves it as nonsense.
That's a fair point, however what are his cards to minutes ratio over the last couple of seasons? I mean an awful lot of those games for us seem to be from the bench.

I might be wrong but I also believe he's gotten far more niggly as he's gotten older.
 

shelfboy68

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Don't think I've ever disagreed with you before, Trix. :cry:

A career (so far) of 353 games across his career, playing for River Plate, Roma & Spurs.

Yesterday was his first red card for us in 8 years as a Spurs player.

The only other time he's been sent off, was in a Copa-Italia game for Roma more than 9 years ago.

Even the narrative that he picks up a yellow card in every game is a compete myth.

57 career yellow cards in 353 appearances.

Meaning an over-all average of 1 booking every 6 games.

Always a red card waiting to happen?

People really need to stop with that narrative when history clearly proves it as nonsense.
He was in fairness the only one who showed any bollocks or not wanting to lose.
 
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