He always is. If only we had more than just Lamela who are like that.
Player Watch: Erik Lamela
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No, you didn’t tell me why as what he has or hasn’t done in the 8 years he’s here had nothing to do with what happened last night, so it’s just baffling for you to slags him off on not using his right when the fact remains he had just scored a worldy in the derby with his left foot. And like I said before the argument you used can be said about every other attacker in the team, and they are supposed better players as they are two footed, so what’s the excuse for them to be ruining positive situations.
what ever the reason why we lost last night it wasn’t because of his right foot. And no you’re not being objective when you’re criticizing him with a subjective opinion.
CoopsieDeadpool
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I wish I knew mate. I have tried asking my old buddy Google but, for the life of me I can't find the answer.
Trix I appreciate the holy hell out of what you do for us but I beg to differ re: Lamela. Him and Lucas played together vs. the scum and Maggot Oliver- yet we only lost by a goal. For 2 v. 12 that's pretty impressive.
Yes I'll give you the second foul was stupid- we agree there- but the first shouldn't have been given. Lamela is a straight-up warrior pretty much every time he plays-- and lately he's been better than ever. 4 out of 5 matches he singlehandedly changes the entire tempo of the match whenever he trots on the pitch. I, too, abhor the fact that he's missed so many games due to injury-- but fuck me does he help the cause when he's available. How you can look at his performance yesterday as anything other than brilliant is beyond me. Again- you are correct in that to put a hand to the scum defender's face was just utterly ridiculous and he should've known better-- but my point is that without him on the pitch we get rolled 3 or 4-nil IMO. Lamela has zero fear, bags of skill, tons of tenacity and- undoubtedly- vision. Stats don't tell the whole story; Lamela is the "assist before the assist"-guy, or the player who started the play that led to the goal (if you get my drift). What he lacks- beyond all doubt- is constitution. His injury record is appalling and I won't even begin to argue that point.
Still, I can't remember another Spurs player (at least in the last two decades, which is how long I've been watching Tottenham) that so regularly changes the tempo of a match like Lamela. Yes, he's reckless- but in a needed way; a C U Next Tuesday to be sure-- but hey- we need that. Also- it's not as if he's just some kind of Argentinian Charlie Adam; rather, he's got bags of talent and occasionally pulls off the sublime. Close control, one-touch passes, ball retention...he has pretty much everything in his locker, plus more heart than any Spurs player I've ever seen- and honestly it's not even close. As someone else put it- him and Lucas were literally the only ones who played the game as if it were a proper North London Derby; everyone else either sleepwalked, hid or played like Doherty...
Watch how toothless we'll be next week without him.
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I am not saying we shouldn’t upgrade him if it’s possible, I admire his attitude and fight as a player but if it’s a choice between him or mbappe then it’s obviously a no brainer but what I am saying is that how can anyone watch last night’s game and the conclusion they get was to get rid of the only player that had any fight in the team, the only one that was trying. And not the bunch of wankers that had no fight and no desire in a NLD which is just baffling to me, that’s all.
Don't think I've ever disagreed with you before, Trix.
A career (so far) of 353 games across his career, playing for River Plate, Roma & Spurs.
Yesterday was his first red card for us in 8 years as a Spurs player.
The only other time he's been sent off, was in a Copa-Italia game for Roma more than 9 years ago.
Even the narrative that he picks up a yellow card in every game is a compete myth.
57 career yellow cards in 353 appearances.
Meaning an over-all average of 1 booking every 6 games.
Always a red card waiting to happen?
People really need to stop with that narrative when history clearly proves it as nonsense.
Thanks for that post. That is really surprising. I knew about the lack of red cards but would have sworn that he got a yellow card every third or fourth game at the least. He always seemed to me to be the guy playing at the edges of hustle, "chippy"ness and dirty play. We've all played against these types of players and we've all hated playing against them too.
I've always found him to be a valuable player as he tends to raise the tempo of those around him. And as much as i thought he needed to be told to play under better control, it's apparent that he has a finer eye for the edge than he's been given credit.
And I am not saying he shouldn’t be upgraded if possible but he’s definitely isn’t a problem that we need to be dealing first. Again what ever the tactics that you believe Jose had set out, it wouldn’t include being over worked by our opponents and that is exactly what happened all over the pitch and that my friend is all on the players.
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After yesterday he's averaging a yellow card every 118 minutes in the premier league this year. In his career he's averaged a card every 325 minutes with Spurs.
In comparison to Aurier who most would assume is our most card prone defender who averages a card every 776 minutes. That's an absurd card/minute number for an attacker.
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The only thing I would say in Jose’s defence is that he did actually admit that the first half was pretty much the worst we’ve played under him.
But then he also went on to blame the penalty and other decisions and 8 losses in our last 8 against top half opponents says it all really, the game has passed him by, he’s not getting the most out of these players and he isn’t able to or doesn’t want to coach the players to play in a way to press higher, keep possession of the ball and build attacks so as soon as we get pressed or pushed deep we just hit aimless long punts/clearances end up having 30% possession and barely any attacks or chances all game, nothing will change in terms of our results against any decent sides moving forwards we will keep losing aside from the odd occasion we get lucky with our 2 attacks a game but it’s a completely non sustainable approach to success with this Group of players in modern football.
But then he also went on to blame the penalty and other decisions and 8 losses in our last 8 against top half opponents says it all really, the game has passed him by, he’s not getting the most out of these players and he isn’t able to or doesn’t want to coach the players to play in a way to press higher, keep possession of the ball and build attacks so as soon as we get pressed or pushed deep we just hit aimless long punts/clearances end up having 30% possession and barely any attacks or chances all game, nothing will change in terms of our results against any decent sides moving forwards we will keep losing aside from the odd occasion we get lucky with our 2 attacks a game but it’s a completely non sustainable approach to success with this Group of players in modern football.
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I'm a big fan of Lamela just think he does stupid unnecessary things at times. He is very sly and often gets away with it, but you can't complain or make excuses when he gets caught.
Out of interest why do you think the first one isn't a foul?
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I've not seen any replays since watching it live but did he put his arm in the players face ?
I didn't think he did, so another soft yellow
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He got the ball then his trailing leg caught the player
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Well I wasn't yesterday.
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yeah Ryan Mason used to run around and throw himself about, too. I disagree that it means they want to win more than the others.
Trix
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The fact he got the ball is irrelevant.if you go to ground, especially from the side or behind and clean the player out it's always going to be a foul. The laws are a joke at times but that's how it is.
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I think Lamela is currently playing as well as he ever has. He is more of a goal threat now.
For him to go 7 years without being sent off before yesterday is a remarkable feat. There must have been at least 4 or 5 times when he should have been sent off, with standing on Fabregas’ hand v Chelsea at the battle of the bridge, the highlight.
He cannot complain especially after what he did to Martial this season.
Erik is always on the edge. He’s from Argentina, what do you expect.Good to see that Lo Celso likes to have a dig now and again.
Poch was sent off 20 times in his career.
I remember seeing Ricky Villa run across the halfway line at White Hart Lane and smash his elbow into Joe Jordan’s face. Got away with it. Jordan had been smashing everybody all game. It had to be done. Don’t get stuff like that any more.
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As I've said I'm not having a go at him, he is what he is and I wouldn't change him, or criticise anything other than he needed to use his head yesterday when he was already on a yellow.
My only point is we can't make excuses when he does get caught out. Which seems to be happening a lot today.
The problem is, once he gets the first yellow, he doesn’t tone it down (if anything it seems to make him worse) and ends up getting subbed before he gets sent off, he seems to get subbed quite often when playing well, only because if he’s not he will be off.
He doesn’t seem to have the intelligence/ability to see what’s happening and that’s a big shame, because whilst Kane and Bale get all the plaudits, I think he was integral in our mini revival. He’s playing some of the most incisive, productive football since he joined us.
Real sly players know when to be cynical and when not too, unfortunately not being able to recognise this makes him a liability as you cannot trust him to stay on the pitch.
