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Match Threads Man City vs Spurs - Match thread - Carabao Cup Final 2021 - KO 4:30pm

Match Prediction

  • We lift our first Trophy in 13 years

    Votes: 124 38.9%
  • We lose out on another Trophy

    Votes: 170 53.3%
  • Cannot make up my mind

    Votes: 25 7.8%

  • Total voters
    319

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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Yes, but we are much behind city. 30 wins in 33 before today. Just so people understand how much that is, if replicated across a whole season it would give them 104 points, which would beat their own record by 4 points. They are, in my opinion, the whole period really from 2018 onwards, the best team to ever play in the Premier League, and most probably in top-flight English football.
The best for 60 years.
 

Phil-spur99

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Jan 27, 2011
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But if he’s not 100% fit he shouldn’t say he is and shouldn’t start.
Most people would take a 75% Kane over any of other attacking options and the reality is that given how the rest of the team played it wouldn’t have mattered who was up front today, it could have been prime Ronaldo and not made any difference on their own.
 

C0YS

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Jul 9, 2007
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The comments when the team was picked codemed us to defeat before a ball was kicked so why is everyone so upset now, this is what you expected right?
Spurs fans are frankly delusional and have contradictory opinions. Particularly, one of us being shit, yet also should be competing for titles or whatever. It's really quite ridiculous!
 

gaz73

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Aug 18, 2012
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At least we look like finishing above Arsenal, and we've still got a chance of catching West Ham. So that's good, right??
and we do have a lovely stadium, when we can get back in. doubt we'll catch west ham, we will struggle i reckon in remaining games
 

chelmyid

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I think Bale should have stayed on the bench, and in all honesty, I'm not sure what change you would make, I probably would have left it a bit, because the balance looked good to me.
I agree - wouldn’t have changed as the balance looked good - we were discussing changing moura for bale- on that basis my original comment was that I felt it should have been son not moura - if he wanted to change things.

if we’re talking my opinion on changes - I personally would have replaced lo celso for lamela and ndom for winks - tried to gain a little more control in midfield.
Then after 10mins or so would have probably tried bale for son if the previous change hadn’t given son a better platform to perform
 

1882andallthat

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It's not the attitude. It's really not. You can try all you want to get back into the game, but when Man city keep possession for fun, it's fucking hard. Like we did look nervous, the faces. But it's complete bullshit that there wasn't effort. Today everybody put in a real shift defensively, and really tried to make it hard for city. It's quality that's the real difference, quality and a well-coached team who know exactly what to do at every moment of the game.
So what you are saying is that the only faint chance we had of winning that cup was clinging onto pathetic hope that Man City would go 120 minutes without scoring by missing every chance they had and we would win a lottery of a penalty shoot out.
We were fortunate to be on level terms on 80 minutes. They wouldn't have wanted extra time because of their CL semi final coming up so the time to finally take the shackles off and go for it was then, a 10 minute shoot out if you like, did we take a chance, no, that's pathetic attitude from us.
 
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Phil-spur99

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But if he’s not 100% fit he shouldn’t say he is and shouldn’t start.
It wouldn’t have made any difference when for example after 30mins the ball had been in City’s final third for 1% of the time (and they probably had the ball for that 1% too). 1%.......
 

Wheeler Dealer

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Jul 29, 2011
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On reflection, and I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I would have sacked Jose after Zagreb and got Harry until the end of the season. I would much rather we had the experienced Harry going into the final. So much put onto the shoulders of Mason to manage against Pep.
It doesn't matter who the opposition are, you don't sub your two creative players for Sissoko. I watch like many others and see that the shape and tactics are wrong.
 

C0YS

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Jul 9, 2007
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I agree - wouldn’t have changed as the balance looked good - we were discussing changing moura for bale- on that basis my original comment was that I felt it should have been son not moura - if he wanted to change things.

if we’re talking my opinion on changes - I personally would have replaced lo celso for lamela and ndom for winks - tried to gain a little more control in midfield.
Then after 10mins or so would have probably tried bale for son if the previous change hadn’t given son a better platform to perform

Depends, I get why Ndombele didn't play, he had a very bad half against Southampton, and you can't leave those spaces against city. I might have put him on for Lo Celso, I wouldn't have bought in another attacking player though, just like for like.
 

spurs mental

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Mar 10, 2007
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The same people bemoaning the mentality of the players are the same ones who expected us to get smashed 7-0.

It's what so many of us have been saying for ages. The mentality within the club is not good enough. It wouldn't have mattered a damn who we played today or what team was put out. Not an ounce of belief or set of bollocks in that team first half.

Second half some of them grew into it but in reality we never looked like we believed in ourselves to trouble City.
 

Jamturk

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As has been said by various ITK it was Poch been stubborn with transfers that resulted in the stagnation. With regards the sacking if Jose, the vast majority of this forum wanted him gone?

Because he didn't want dross?
 

C0YS

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Jul 9, 2007
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It doesn't matter who the opposition are, you don't sub your two creative players for Sissoko. I watch like many others and see that the shape and tactics are wrong.
I think part of the logic, isn't just to balance out with Bale. One of our issues is Kane was dropping deep but nobody was coming into the box, I think a lot of the plan was to allow the front three to push higher up, with Kane coming deeper.
 

God&Texas

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No one ever controls the midfield against Man city. First half we were lucky, or probably more correctly, saved by two brilliant blocks. The second half I thought was relatively good, and our much-criticised defence was really good today. You can't win in midfield against Man city. It's not just because the players they have are just so good on the ball, but it's also that everything is memorised everything is instinctive, and that's what happens from years and years of coaching the same players. My main problem today was we made poor decisions on the few times we broke. Even under Poch, the games we get something out of, it was because of being clinical with the chances you're given.

But Man city are ridiculously good, and I feel no shame whatsoever with the performance.

Agree, but not winning the midfield and surrendering the midfield are two different things. Up to the first substitutions, we were losing the midfield but contesting. The few half chances and breaks came through Lo Celso creating some space or Moura making a run. Removing the two that provided any link between the front three and where the rest of the game was being played spelled the end. Lo Celso, Moura, or a Lamela or Ndombele sub were what was needed to get Kane into the game or provide Bale an opportunity to do something special that he is capable of to steal a goal.

I understand the original game plan. Great keeping and not panicking in our own box had done its job and we were growing into actually having a go. That immediately stopped with that sub. Sissoko, Winks, and Hojbjerg, with Aurier and Regulion pinned back, are just not the group to transition any possession into an attack. This was exacerbated with the Dele introduction, now bring the total to 4 players who are going to sit on an island and provide nothing since there was no one to get the ball up to their feet.

The midfield needs a lot of work before next season to see any sort of improvement.
 

ardiles

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Nov 24, 2006
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If it meant getting £150 million on transfers I'd begrudgingly accept Kane being sold to facilitate a rebuild of sorts.

The problem is that if Levy can’t get the prices that he’d want for the players that need to go, then he won’t sell them and we’d be in a worse state with all those players still at the club but without Kane.
 
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DiamondLites

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Jul 29, 2011
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In my mind that was the worst way to lose a final, I’d rather of had a proper go and lost 3/4-0. Another non performance in a final and it comes from the approach and set up - benching Bale and Ndombele was small club mentality imo
 

Grapo2001

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Jul 26, 2011
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Everything that is wrong with modern football is Reggie losing a cup final and few minutes later liking his missus post on Instagram about her posing in some skimpy clothes advertising some biscuits. I know its not a big deal, but just wish players would feel something for the club. They literally don’t give a toss.,
 
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