The Daily ITK and Transfer Discussion Thread - 12th August

HobbitSpur · Aug 12, 2021

easley91 said:
I think it's right Levy has control over the Kane situation. He knows what his value is, and he won't back down from it. People would moan if he sold for less.

100% agree with this. And there will always be friction between the holder of the asset and the person wanting to spend the money.

Strange analogy I know but if you had a family heirloom and you promised your wife that you would sell it so she could upgrade the kitchen.

You know it’s worth 150m. But your wife is only interested in a new kitchen and is begging you to sell for 100m so she can have a new kitchen.

You know that a new kitchen will increase the price and desirability of your home. But you will not sacrifice 60m just so you can get the new kitchen.

GetSpurredOn · Aug 12, 2021

The Paratici/Hitchen v Levy stand-off we cannot really judge, without knowing what City’s offers have been. If FP/SH know for £130m (or whatever) they can do all the return business they need and that City will meet that, but DL is holding out for £160m, then that’s a slight issue. However if Levy is binning off City’s calls because they are only offering players (over valued at that) plus cash and we don’t want those players, then it’s absolutely right to take a hard line.

The win is in finding the middle ground, the call that says yes City we will be prepared to sell, but we want (insert magic number here), cash only, no player swaps, meet that and we can definitely do business, otherwise we’re more than happy to keep the reigning PL golden boot winner and current top assist maker to the remaining 3 years of his contract. If we don’t hear from you before, see you on Sunday August 15th. Thanks for your interest.

Ashley1974 · Aug 12, 2021

worcestersauce said:
Sounds like Fabio's take is that any extra we hold out for on Kane this year will be eaten up by higher prices for the players we want if he stays and we have to wait until next year and may not be able to get them as Kane's value will fall anyway. I've been so so all along but I'm hardening on selling him now, maybe it's time to take control of the situation and own our future.

I'm not so convinced that clubs who are in financial turmoil this summer will be clear of it next summer, after one season of turnstiles operating. There will be more bargains again next summer.

Levy is right to play hardball, so that Man City think twice about coming back for our next superstar.

fishhhandaricecake · Aug 12, 2021

Trix said:
You say it's poor form from Levy but if it's the difference of £40mil and we get it, then how disappointing actually is it?

Yea I went on to explain exactly that mate. All depends on the outcome and what city are offering. Some stubbornness and resilience and patience and playing the poker game is absolutely needed in these big level negotiations but there is a balance to be had, seems like this week and next will be crunch time.

If they offer say £150m and levy sticks at £200m not budging and we keep Kane then I think that stubbornness would cost us on the football side as we’d be keeping an unhappy player with his head turned and who’s value will only go down from here, whereas if we took the £150m as FP&SH have said in your info this is a unique opportunity to take advantage of the European clubs financial issues.

THFCSPURS19 · Aug 12, 2021

Hold on, people are now criticising Levy for not selling/wanting to sell Kane? Absurd ffs.

arunspurs · Aug 12, 2021

End of the day, whatever player we buy, has to work - For far too long, recruitment has been in the gutter. No way Levy is giving up control on such a huge deal like Harry's. But once this is settled, whether he goes or stays, I hope recruitment goes fully under FP control, as it should

worcestersauce · Aug 12, 2021

Ashley1974 said:
I'm not so convinced that clubs who are in financial turmoil this summer will be clear of it next summer, after one season of turnstiles operating. There will be more bargains again next summer.

Levy is right to play hardball, so that Man City think twice about coming back for our next superstar.

Nevertheless Kane will be worth a lot less too so it is still a risk. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Archibald&Crooks · Aug 12, 2021

Yesterday's OP: In the futile hope that common sense will be applied and you do this for yourselves, longer discussions should be taken to the players threads.

I think this is one of those times where a situation/story has been done to death and we'd be looking for someone to show some common sense, recognise this and point out that maybe it's time to move to the players thread and have at it in there. Ideally, more than one of you would be doing this.

Sadly and once again, the search for common sense in here is proving as futile as predicted. It makes the search for the holy grail look like a game of hide and seek in a cupboard

rawhide · Aug 12, 2021

“You (*gestures broadly at SC*) change your mind like a girl changes clothes. You PMS like a bitch - I should know”

worcestersauce · Aug 12, 2021

HobbitSpur said:
100% agree with this. And there will always be friction between the holder of the asset and the person wanting to spend the money.

Strange analogy I know but if you had a family heirloom and you promised your wife that you would sell it so she could upgrade the kitchen.

You know it’s worth 150m. But your wife is only interested in a new kitchen and is begging you to sell for 100m so she can have a new kitchen.

You know that a new kitchen will increase the price and desirability of your home. But you will not sacrifice 60m just so you can get the new kitchen.

Don't give us all that, you know as well as we do that she'll get her new kitchen eventually, they always do.

jpascavitz · Aug 12, 2021

idontgetit said:
Selling Kane for what he's worth now and using the money to invest while there's a buyers market would be wise, but that isn't the problem is it. The problem is that there is only one club interested and they do not want to pay what he's worth. So it's not like Levy is being an idiot, especially if you factor in the potential of Kane firing us into a CL spot worth god knows how many millions.

100% this. I totally get both sides of the coin on this argument. I don't want Kane to go personally, but if he went for 100m in the beginning of the window then it came out that Grealish was also 100m I would be pretty upset since we really do hold all the cards. City need to just pay the price and as we all know, Paratici can execute his deals!

rebrab · Aug 12, 2021

People need to consider that Kane is not only our best player, but our most marketable asset at a time where we are working on 15+ year deals with tens of milllions a year at stake…

soflapaul · Aug 12, 2021

rebrab said:
People need to consider that Kane is not only our best player, but our most marketable asset at a time where we are working on 15+ year deals with tens of milllions a year at stake…

100x this. This is why they need to be paying way over what they value HK at.

jpascavitz · Aug 12, 2021

Pochie said:
We need a beast - a talented one.

Our midfield is so interesting - probably where we're the most well off - but just haven't hit the right partnerships yet!

It's great to hear ITK on the fact that we're looking to strengthen here - thanks for the insights!

The question becomes is PEH the CDM? It seems to me that they are looking at both box-to-box and CDMs to see where they can get the best value/player. If they can get a better box-to-box CM then PEH will sit, if they can get a class CDM, they they can push PEH further forward.

If the quoted amount for JWP is correct, I'd rather us look across Europe for a big name if we are to get the Kane money in. Tomiyasu, Kounde, Gravenberch/Renato Sanches, Martinez and Vlahovic for me to finish off the rebuild. Might be dreaming but all young players that can increase in value and be bought way cheaper than they will be any other Summer.

lukadownthelane · Aug 12, 2021

Selling is a different skill set from buying and Levy is clearly better at this side of things. I’m actually with Levy on this. I feel dirty.

Pochie · Aug 12, 2021

Hercules said:
SIGNINGS
I have said this a few times, but worth a repeat! We have money! Still will bring in circa 4 more; which is not dependent on ‘outs!’. Add another (5) if Kane is lined up to go. Told that club extremely happy with the new signings, and the expected arrivals, which may go into the last week. We have the advantage over the selling clubs. Barca been throwing a lot of players at us, which we have no interest in. Paratici being quiet with no major media leaks is a good thing. COYS

tottenhamlad said:
The below have all followed the same pattern. We are not selling, no matter what. We get the ITK, the media, this massive stubborn stance. He is our player blah blah.

Berbatov to United. Left 1st September 2008
Modric to Madrid. Left 27th August 2012
Bale to Madrid. Left 1st September 2013

We are now on Harry Kane to Man City and we are on the 12th August.

The folding sounds are starting.

Levy got great prices for all those players. I want him to max them out on Kane. Go for it, Daniel. COYS

DiscoDangerBoy · Aug 12, 2021

People always think that the shiny new thing the neighbour has got is better - and it rarely is.

The £140million that everyone is so keen to swap Kane for could very easily buy us 1 N'Dombele, 2 Soldados and a Davinson Sanchez!
Even a de-motivated (which I don't think he will be) Kane is miles better than that lot.

mawspurs · Aug 12, 2021

Guys lets take the Harry Kane talk to the Harry Kane thread now before this thread gets locked

chaching · Aug 12, 2021

rawhide said:
“You (*gestures broadly at SC*) change your mind like a girl changes clothes. You PMS like a bitch - I should know”

alright Katy

barry · Aug 12, 2021

Trix said:
He's not saying he can't go. I knew when I posted that post it wouldn't be long before someone decided it was a great opportunity to have a go at DL.
The blame Levy for everything brigade haven't had much ammunition over the last couple of months have they, so how can they twist this to suit......

No offence mate but the way you wrote the post (ultimate toddler) seemed slightly passive aggressive towards Levy.

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