SpartanSpur
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He was supposedly interested in joining us last summer when we had Nuno Espirito Santo as manager (he was in a contract standoff).
Lautaro Martinez
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He was supposedly interested in joining us last summer when we had Nuno Espirito Santo as manager (he was in a contract standoff).
I think it’s hilarious how people call for us to spend money, linked to 90 million euro striker, fans moan he isn’t the right purchase.
Let Paratici do his thing, the window so far is looking good. We have money to spend, it’s all about bringing the pieces together so we are the strongest we can be.
Let Paratici do his thing, the window so far is looking good. We have money to spend, it’s all about bringing the pieces together so we are the strongest we can be.
Wig
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Indeed. And if Eriksen came in he can easily rotate with Kane in that position. Options and tactical flexibility.
Its incredible mate. As per, fans concerned about where he fits in and how much the cost will affect the club. Completely missing the point he strengthens us massively. Levy has had a detrimental effect on our fans.
Chris Flynn
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Well it didnt happen so you're fine
tottenhamlad
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How anyone can drop Bentancur i cannot get my head around!
Main reason we got 4th was he gave us an actual midfield for the first time since Dembele left!
Main reason we got 4th was he gave us an actual midfield for the first time since Dembele left!
Timberwolf
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I think this one's unlikely and certainly isn't the most sensible transfer we could make, but equally I can see why Conte would be pushing for it.
Martinez would be a statement of intent and the best insurance policy we could ask for.
If Kane's injured - no problem.
Need to change a game - no problem.
Need to rotate/rest forwards - no problem.
Kane's contract running down - ...less of a problem.
On a week to week basis I struggle to see how him, Son and Kane all play together, but beyond that it would make us a serious proposition with attacking depth to rival the top 2 clubs.
Martinez would be a statement of intent and the best insurance policy we could ask for.
If Kane's injured - no problem.
Need to change a game - no problem.
Need to rotate/rest forwards - no problem.
Kane's contract running down - ...less of a problem.
On a week to week basis I struggle to see how him, Son and Kane all play together, but beyond that it would make us a serious proposition with attacking depth to rival the top 2 clubs.
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Timberwolf
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Kulu would still get plenty of minutes as a forward, no doubt, but I think he could be a proper weapon at RWB and maybe our best option there - great crossing, dribbling, goal scoring ability, incredible engine etc.
Last season we only had Lucas as a back up right forward, so it made sense to always play Kulu there as he's so much better, but if we played someone with Lautaro's quality up top, moving Kulusevski to RWB could elevate our first 11 to another level.
Certainly wouldn't be against it, especially against weaker sides that are hard to break down.
mr ashley
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Firstly I think we should wait until we see kulusevski at rwb before we plan for it. There were plenty of opportunities last season to try it when Doherty got injured and it didn’t happen once.
Being more realistic, the lineup you’ve selected really just highlits the possible permutations available (finally) to conte.
So for example:
1. Resting son- playing Martinez alongside Kane with Eriksen behind.
2. resting Kane - again playing a 352 with son alongside him
Or Martinez, son and kulusevski in a 343. More likely in Europe than pl I’d suggest.
3. Resting kulusevski in a 343, with Kane dropping deeper.
Of course, these options could be in game substitutions too, depending on the situation and score line.
We seriously need to get past the notion that Kane plays every game. He can’t afford to do that anymore (and certainly not next season).
Timberwolf
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True, but Kulu was by a distance our best right sided forward last season so made sense to start him there over Lucas every game. The drop in quality in the forward line was much bigger than what we would've gained from using Kulu as a wing back.
If we had another top class forward to play up top with Son and/or Kane, I suspect Conte would be far more likely to actually use Kulusevski as a wing back.
Obviously it's all speculation and none of us know what Conte's thinking but I wouldn't completely write off the idea based on last season.
THOWIG
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100 percent. It will happen.
People get obsessed with where a player lines up on a piece of paper rather than what their role would be in a team.
Look at the function or utilisation of fullbacks/wingbacks/wingers in Bielsa’s systems for example. They have so much freedom.
In a 343, for example, Kulusevski would still very much be operating as a winger and would be well protected by our defence and defensive midfielders.
Kostic on the left side is a great example of this. Even Perisic for us could be similar.
Nick-TopSpursMan
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What’s crazy is contemplating moving Kulusevski to wing back!
Why would you move such an attacker who’s had incredible output high up the pitch to a wide position where he has to spend half his time defending?!! And risk disrupting all the momentum and confidence he’s built here. It’s like moving Son to left wing back. It would be insane.
Why would you move such an attacker who’s had incredible output high up the pitch to a wide position where he has to spend half his time defending?!! And risk disrupting all the momentum and confidence he’s built here. It’s like moving Son to left wing back. It would be insane.
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That has literally nothing to do with Levy, ffs. If you're gonna put the blame somewhere, blame FM and FIFA.
However, I don't think there's any need to blame anyone or anything, as it's a perfectly healthy point of view to have. The fact of the matter is that if we spend 90 million on Lautaro, that's 90 million we can't spend elsewhere. I would be excited if we signed Lautaro, but I personally think that we would be stronger if we spent that cash differently. So I don't really think he fits, I do think he'll cost to much, and as a consequence, I don't think he'd strengthen us that much. Is that not a valid opinion on a forum? And how is that in any way connected to Levy? Not even City have an infinite amount of cash, and what happened last summer? They overspent on someone they didn't need, which meant the didn't have the cash to get the player they needed (Kane).
And there's more. We have, in the last few years, spent a lot of money on players who have flopped massively. Were there no calls for Levy to 'just pay the money, ffs' when we were linked to Ndombele? In the end, that's what he did, and look how that turned out. That's money, 50 million or so in fee and another 10 every passing year in wages, that could've been spent elsewhere. That's money that keeps us from spending as much as we ideally would this summer.
As much as the 'just pay the money, Levy' is a baffling take, it doesn't annoy me half as much as 'why do you care, it's not your money'. First of all, to hell with policing the forum like that. Why does it bother you so much that I have a different view on the club's finances? Secondly, no it's not my money, but seeing as I have an emotional interest in the club, it is also in my interest that that money is spent wisely. If you don't care about that, then fine, but let those who do do, and don't drag Levy into this. To me it's quite simply common sense.
So you don't think buying a world class operator who knows our managers system and ways and improves our already frightening attack, is the club spending wisely?
Ok, fair enough.
We know we have £150m to spend, maybe more with outgoings. If Lautaro was to come in for 75m and in hindsight we get Spence and Eriksen. That would be a total spend of around 120m. 30m left to spend on a defender with maybe more due to outgoings.
Seizing our opportunity to bring in elite players is definitely spending wisely
SpartanSpur
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Not only this but Conte literally said himself that Deki can play there. Granted that was before he settled and put in some great displays on the right of the front 3 but he clearly thinks it's an option. RWB in a proper Conte system is basically a winger anyway like you said.
Conte had to tweak his system to accommodate Emerson towards the end of the season which saw Kulusevski regularly push out into the wide areas and into those zones a RWB would typically occupy anyway.
There'd be a lot more incentive to do it if with someone like Lautaro (or any other £50m+ forward we've been linked with) in the squad over Lucas.
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I'm happy to wait out for a forward. The Inter situation will be sorted soon anyway. I'm sure we'll keep irons in the fire. But for now we have Son who can play up top who is as good as anyone there. We have Gil back for the inside forward role and Bergwijn is still here. It means we can hold onto at least 1 of them until we sign a forward. More important to sort centre back and rwb out. So although I don't like us dealing with Inter it's not like we can't be doing other things with Inter signings as a possibility (albeit slight).
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I think it's overly simplistic to not be able to differentiate between (1) investment and (2) value for money/making best use of the money we have
We are letting Paratici do his thing, but it's perfectly reasonable to opine on the above
I have a few issues with the guy
1) Lautaro would, I would guess, almost be mutually exclusive with Harry, or at best, limit our tactical flexibility
2) At (coming up to 25) this is the most expensive he'll likely ever be - at (e.g.) 28 with a declining contract, all other things being equal, we wouldn't get the same money back. I know people don't think we should think about it like that ("it's not my money") but if you're running a business (which Tottenham is), you have to. It's perfectly reasonable for someone to make a judgement on this basis, rather purely "more good players, better short term squad, therefore go for it"
3) For the sums being talked about, I worry it would limit the quality we can get elsewhere. We've yet to buy: a RWB, a creative CM, a LCB - especially if we don't get Eriksen, these are (arguably) more pressing slots to fill than another forward
To give a comparison, I would take Richarlison (a tactically flexible forward, capable at both VF and LWF, same age, used to the Prem) for 55/55, rather than Lautaro at (e.g. 80) and either (i) save the money for some other time (when we see how our new signings gel and see if we're missing anything - maybe Jan or next summer) or (ii) spend the balance on filling those other slots with better players
The above is my opinion, and has been rationally reached.
By all means thing "he's great, let's get him" and you might be right, but IMO you're not considering the opportunity cost of the £m spent
Timberwolf
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Don't think we'd ever plan to use him exclusively as a wing back and he'd get tons of game-time up top regardless of who we sign.
Think it looks like a great tactical option in certain games, though. Especially if we sign another top striker. Highly doubt a few games at wing back would crush his confidence. Ironically it might even help his attacking output in some matches as he'd be harder to mark.
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