deanostheyido
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I mean, this is clearly BS, right.....?
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I mean, this is clearly BS, right.....?
He chats absolute waffle, said eriksen wouldn’t join united, conte was joining psg and claimed djed was a done deal weeks ago
bigpalacios
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He works for 90 min so I would say hes talking shit yes
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I made a post yesterday where I looked through the underlying stats of Zaniolo, and I pointed out that he looked very similar to Adama Traore in that they both progress the ball and produce shot-creating actions to a very high level.
One thing I noticed that I didn’t mention, as people love to jump down the throat of anyone who suggests it, but the stats suggested that Zaniolo could actually be very much suited to the RWB role for Conte.
So it’s very funny to see now an article suggesting that we’re still looking at bTraore or Zaniolo for that RWB role.
Couple of points that add to this;
1. Conte came out saying that Spence was a ‘club signing’ for the future.
2. Shortly after this signing news started spreading that Conte loves Zaniolo and is mad to sign him. (Was Conte’s quotes on Spence a message to Levy that Spence is not who he wants? And did he then make it well known that Zaniolo is who he actually wanted which is why it hit the media?)
3. Trix has made it known that Conte believes that Zaniolo has been completely under-utilised and played out of position.
4. Reports have also come out that Mourinho is now considering playing Zaniolo at RWB to convince him to stay. (Has Conte briefed Zaniolo on his ideas for him and now Mourinho is trying to match it?)
5. Despite signing Spence, and it being made known by Conte that he is for the future, apparently Doherty and Royal are both very much up for sale at the right price.
Finally, attached below are his defensive stats which highlights how he is one of the higher percentile players when it comes to defensive actions.
TLDR: I’m actually fairly convinced that Zaniolo is being viewed primarily as a RWB option
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Now it's Spursonal
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I see there’s already people claiming that it’s bullshit, but hopefully ye can take the time to read my post to ascertain why it mightn’t be so crazy?
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I doubt it'll be primarily as a RWB option - he's a leftie for a start who doesn't use his right all that often from what I can tell - but it's really well argued, and I'd guess he think he's a very viable option there
AtoubaToothpaste
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This! Moura is such a lovely guy. Bleeds blue and white. He does everything asked of him without moaning (as much as we can tell from the outside) and has had some truly mad moments for us. I can see him being an excellent RWB for the next couple of years. I hope he stays until retirement and then goes into management. That said, this is a Zaniolo thread... so I'm down for him coming to the club. At 65m for Maddison, I think that's too much for someone who could potentially upset the dressing room.
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The issue with this concept for me is that he’s just not comfortable out wide. His natural position is central, ideally AMC. He is Adequate at RWF because he still has space to drift central, which he does a lot, cutting in on his favoured left foot. For me he would be completely waisted, and fundamentally a poor choice, for RWB because he would need to hug the touch line. From a stats perspective it’s not so far fetched but from seeing him, the areas he likes to operate in, his game style etc i think it would be a waist and if that’s what we were looking for Zaniolo wouldn’t be that player.
Exactly, we havnt been linked to a creative midfielder for weeks to then buy one and play him as a rwb which we already have 4 options for. Don’t see the logic of him as a rwb what so ever
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Yeah very fair point, and a lot of my argument is obviously just theory and opinion tbf?
But one thing that’s always stuck in my mind is how Conte reacted after Hakim Ziyech’s performance against us playing as an inverted RWB. Obviously he scored that wonder goal cutting in on his left, but even taking away that I think he was the best player on the park that day.
It was only very shortly after that performance that Conte actually tried out playing Doherty as an inverted LWB. And I personally believe it’s because he learned that the inverted wing-back can have great success in his system.
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Appreciate your points mate, I touched on this in my previous post but as an inverted wing back your expected to do the opposite of hug the sideline and cut inside, which as you highlighted is actually his main strength?
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Personally don't think we need to rush any more signings in and the priority should now be getting in the right players for the right money without concern for timing.
6 signings before the start of the season is fantastic and any signings brought in before Saints would have already missed the vast majority of pre-season. Highly doubt any new signings would be in time for the Roma game even if we move quite fast.
We've got more than enough depth to handle the Saints game and Chelsea is our only tough game in August, which Richarlison will be back for.
Would much prefer we wait until deadline day to sign someone like Maddison than rush in next week to sign Zaniolo, for example.
6 signings before the start of the season is fantastic and any signings brought in before Saints would have already missed the vast majority of pre-season. Highly doubt any new signings would be in time for the Roma game even if we move quite fast.
We've got more than enough depth to handle the Saints game and Chelsea is our only tough game in August, which Richarlison will be back for.
Would much prefer we wait until deadline day to sign someone like Maddison than rush in next week to sign Zaniolo, for example.
AtoubaToothpaste
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You think Conte twigged onto inverted players after seeing Ziyech? The world-class coach didn't already know about this? Had never tried it out before? Come on, man, surely you don't believe that. Besides, given his wing-backs are almost solely responsible for crossing into the box, I highly doubt he'll gimp his system by utilising a one-footed, wrong-footed player there, especially as Kulu primarily drifts inside. It was bad enough watching Emerson squander crossing chances at every opportunity. I highly doubt he'll stick a leftie there. Doherty played on the left because of a lack of options, not because it was optimal.
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The Gary Southgate Squad Method (TM)
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Can see why we'd prefer a vaxxed player to a non-vax; getting into countries to play, however - regardless of that, this is very much a cynical approach of the club to take.
Is Gareth Southgate our chief scout?
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Conte isn’t such a casual to see positions in terms of “right wing back” or “forward” by the way. He tailors his tactics to each opponent and game situation.
he sees roles within the team, zonal and positional qualities, skillsets, and especially he sees how a player fits into a variety of tactical set-ups against a variety of opponents.
Conte doesn’t have just “wing back” in mind he has a view of the player’s position in all phases - the final third, transition, attacking build up, defensive positions, possession, set pieces.
He doesn’t just blindly think ‘RWB’ the way we do.
and specifically in Zaniolo and Adama, the progressive ball carrier is what he feels is missing from our squad. I think @Now it's Spursonal is spot on in that analysis. Whether we do purchase such a player is up in the air but yeah, Zaniolo could easily be a RWB, Kulu could be a RWB, obviously Moura is being tested there as well…
he sees roles within the team, zonal and positional qualities, skillsets, and especially he sees how a player fits into a variety of tactical set-ups against a variety of opponents.
Conte doesn’t have just “wing back” in mind he has a view of the player’s position in all phases - the final third, transition, attacking build up, defensive positions, possession, set pieces.
He doesn’t just blindly think ‘RWB’ the way we do.
and specifically in Zaniolo and Adama, the progressive ball carrier is what he feels is missing from our squad. I think @Now it's Spursonal is spot on in that analysis. Whether we do purchase such a player is up in the air but yeah, Zaniolo could easily be a RWB, Kulu could be a RWB, obviously Moura is being tested there as well…
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