Nicolò Zaniolo

[Timberwolf]

The club are looking at bringing in at least 4/5 more RWBs to ensure we as a fan base can debate who is the shittest of the lot.

Good to see we're continuing the fine tradition of the Jol/Ramos years of signing 6000 RBs.

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

You think Conte twigged onto inverted players after seeing Ziyech? The world-class coach didn't already know about this? Had never tried it out before? Come on, man, surely you don't believe that. Besides, given his wing-backs are almost solely responsible for crossing into the box, I highly doubt he'll gimp his system by utilising a one-footed, wrong-footed player there, especially as Kulu primarily drifts inside. It was bad enough watching Emerson squander crossing chances at every opportunity. I highly doubt he'll stick a leftie there. Doherty played on the left because of a lack of options, not because it was optimal.

Tbh mate I don’t think it’s too ridiculous to think that Conte might have seen and picked up something from another world class coach in Tuchel.

Do you honestly think that Conte can no longer learn anything in football?

Football changes, players change, leagues are different, opposition are different etc. etc.

Im not suggesting that Conte first learned that the inverted wing back role exists mate!? Just that he might have analysed Tuchel’s system that day and found something ?‍

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

Conte isn’t such a casual to see positions in terms of “right wing back” or “forward” by the way. He tailors his tactics to each opponent and game situation.

he sees roles within the team, zonal and positional qualities, skillsets, and especially he sees how a player fits into a variety of tactical set-ups against a variety of opponents.

Conte doesn’t have just “wing back” in mind he has a view of the player’s position in all phases - the final third, transition, attacking build up, defensive positions, possession, set pieces.

He doesn’t just blindly think ‘RWB’ the way we do.

and specifically in Zaniolo and Adama, the progressive ball carrier is what he feels is missing from our squad. I think @Now it's Spursonal is spot on in that analysis. Whether we do purchase such a player is up in the air but yeah, Zaniolo could easily be a RWB, Kulu could be a RWB, obviously Moura is being tested there as well…

Appreciate you explaining my last point above in a better fashion here mate??

 

[Impspur1]

Is Gareth Southgate our chief scout?

And still wouldn’t pick the best one ?

 

[lobob8]

Whether we sign this guy or not I highly doubt we're selling both Doc and Emerson, or either for that matter.

 

[Aphex]

We aren’t signing Zaniolo to play him RWB ffs ??‍

We have Doherty, Emerson and Spence. Why on earth would we need another signing to play there.

If we sign him it would be to play as an AM who can play RF too.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

Do you honestly think that Conte can no longer learn anything in football?

Never suggested that. I'm sure he learns every day; it's likely a part of what makes him so good at what he does. I'm disputing that seeing Ziyech score an inverted goal was the genesis for him putting Doherty on the left.

Football changes, players change, leagues are different, opposition are different etc. etc.

I never said it doesn't change.

Im not suggesting that Conte first learned that the inverted wing back role exists mate!?

You directly suggested Conte was moved to make the change after seeing the Chelsea game, as though an inverted wing-back had never occurred to him before. If he did understand its various strategic qualities beforehand, then what has the Chelsea system got anything to do with his decision-making?

Just that he might have analysed Tuchel’s system that day and found something ?‍

I'm sure he finds something in all of his analyses. But I refer you to my first point. Doherty playing inverted had nothing to do with that game. It was a squad availability issue.

As for people claiming what Conte is thinking, how do you know? None of us have any idea what he's thinking about regarding the players he's choosing. All you're doing is taking some bullshit artist on Twitter and trying to rationalise why that might be the case. For all we know, Conte sees Zaniolo as his Barella in a three-man midfield. Or as a direct Kulu rotation. None of us know anything about his plans.

 

[DodgyLasagne]

We aren’t signing Zaniolo to play him RWB ffs ??‍

We have Doherty, Emerson and Spence. Why on earth would we need another signing to play there.

If we sign him it would be to play as an AM who can play RF too.

Of course not to play solely RWB. We would be signing him to fulfill a variety of roles, dependent on the situation and tactical set-up Conte calls for. Just as we did not sign Richarlison as a striker or winger, but both. Just as we did not sign Bissouma as solely a holding midfielder, or solely a 6, or solely an 8, or solely a box-to-box.

you and @AtoubaToothpaste need to expand your minds to the tactical evolution of nuanced modern football. Positions are not concrete like they were under 'Arry's 4-4-2 anymore.

 

[Zippy1980]

We are signing him to play Goalie

 

[Ron Burgundy]

We are signing him to play Goalie

I heard he'll be Romero's fluffer

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

you and @AtoubaToothpaste need to expand your minds to the tactical evolution of nuanced modern football. Positions are not concrete like they were under 'Arry's 4-4-2 anymore.

And you need to tone down the condescension and labelling. Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean you have a superior 'nuanced' take on modern football. Besides which, there's nothing new in football. I don't know how long you've followed the game, but what you think is modern today has likely been done before many times over. Tactics and positions are cyclical. For example, Conte's 3 CBs is a tactic that was around a hundred years ago and wing-backs sixty years ago.

 

[DodgyLasagne]

And you need to tone down the condescension and labelling. Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean you have a superior 'nuanced' take on modern football. Besides which, there's nothing new in football. I don't know how long you've followed the game, but what you think is modern today has likely been done before many times over. Tactics and positions are cyclical. For example, Conte's 3 CBs is a tactic that was around a hundred years ago and wing-backs sixty years ago.

Exactly it has, which is why you need to drink Conte’s ayahuasca. If you have this historical football knowledge I’d assume you know that players’ positions are nowhere near as rigid as they are labeled on online discussion boards.

this is the guy who played Victor Moses at RWB, a player who had never stepped into defense a day in his life. He’s testing Lucas Moura there. Even Mou played Bergwijn in a hybrid wingback-esque role last year. There’s PLENTY of precedent.

But no, you’ve chosen to ignore all this evidence and say there’s “no way” Zaniolo could be a RWB, because… why exactly?

 

[Pimpa]

Exactly it has, which is why you need to drink Conte’s ayahuasca. If you have this historical football knowledge I’d assume you know that players’ positions are nowhere near as rigid as they are labeled on online discussion boards.

this is the guy who played Victor Moses at RWB, a player who had never stepped into defense a day in his life. He’s testing Lucas Moura there. Even Mou played Bergwijn in a hybrid wingback-esque role last year. There’s PLENTY of precedent.

But no, you’ve chosen to ignore all this evidence and say there’s “no way” Zaniolo could be a RWB, because… why exactly?

Because we’ve just signed a new rwb to add to the 4+ players we have who can play there. It’s not his attributes which dosnt make him a rwb for us it’s common sense. We’re looking for a creative player so when we’re linked to one it’s safe to assume he’ll be getting played in a forward position

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

Exactly it has, which is why you need to drink Conte’s ayahuasca. If you have this historical football knowledge I’d assume you know that players’ positions are nowhere near as rigid as they are labeled on online discussion boards.

this is the guy who played Victor Moses at RWB, a player who had never stepped into defense a day in his life. He’s testing Lucas Moura there. Even Mou played Bergwijn in a hybrid wingback-esque role last year. There’s PLENTY of precedent.

But no, you’ve chosen to ignore all this evidence and say there’s “no way” Zaniolo could be a RWB, because… why exactly?

Did I say there was "no way" Zaniolo could be a RWB? (The answer to that is no) Not only do you want to try to insult and condescend me, but now you want to put words in my mouth. Listen, you're totally free to your views and opinions. You've argued your point, and I've disagreed; there's nothing more of value to be gained from this discussion unless you're willing to talk in good faith. Let's just wait and see what happens, eh?

 

[DodgyLasagne]

Did I say there was "no way" Zaniolo could be a RWB? (The answer to that is no) Not only do you want to try to insult and condescend me, but now you want to put words in my mouth. Listen, you're totally free to your views and opinions. You've argued your point, and I've disagreed; there's nothing more of value to be gained from this discussion unless you're willing to talk in good faith. Let's just wait and see what happens, eh?

Sorry mixed you up with aphex that’s my bad. But you were saying it implicitly anyways, you were arguing he wouldn’t play there.

I’m not trying to be condescending nor was I being insulting, I appreciate that tone is tougher to convey over the internet. I was being playful with the whole ayahuasca thing, you’re not making bad points or being rude of course. I’m simply saying that if there’s any manager in the world willing to mold players to unique positions, it’s Antonio Conte. And really RWB isn’t what I’m even arguing over, it’s that in our system, Zaniolo would 100% be qualified to be a progressive ball carrier outlet in counter situations, even from deeper positions such as RWB.

Still think he’s not worth that ridiculous €50m fee so I hope we don’t sign him, but obviously that’s a different story. Cheers.

 

[Aphex]

Of course not to play solely RWB. We would be signing him to fulfill a variety of roles, dependent on the situation and tactical set-up Conte calls for. Just as we did not sign Richarlison as a striker or winger, but both. Just as we did not sign Bissouma as solely a holding midfielder, or solely a 6, or solely an 8, or solely a box-to-box.

you and @AtoubaToothpaste need to expand your minds to the tactical evolution of nuanced modern football. Positions are not concrete like they were under 'Arry's 4-4-2 anymore.

Exactly it has, which is why you need to drink Conte’s ayahuasca. If you have this historical football knowledge I’d assume you know that players’ positions are nowhere near as rigid as they are labeled on online discussion boards.

this is the guy who played Victor Moses at RWB, a player who had never stepped into defense a day in his life. He’s testing Lucas Moura there. Even Mou played Bergwijn in a hybrid wingback-esque role last year. There’s PLENTY of precedent.

But no, you’ve chosen to ignore all this evidence and say there’s “no way” Zaniolo could be a RWB, because… why exactly?

What are you on about?

First of all, Conte's positions are rigid. In the sense that if you are playing RWB in a Conte team, you are playing RWB. I don't remember many times Conte has played any current Spurs player outside of their normal position. Doherty at LWB which isn't that unusual, and nothing else comes to mind to be honest. My point was that Zaniolo isn't being signed to play RWB. If we signed him, yes he could play there, but Kane could play CB if needed, it doesn't mean he is going to.

I just genuinely do not think it would even be a discussion Conte would have. Yeah let's sign Zanoilo because he could be a 5th option as a RWB behind Emerson, Doherty, Spence and even Moura. Nah, not buying it. We are so heavily stocked in that area, even Kulu could play there at a push.

Technically any player can play anywhere on the pitch, but that is a whole lot different to suggesting we are signing Zaniolo to play RWB.

 

[Yiddo100]

Good lord he’s not coming in to play RWB

 

[GazzaB]

Zaniolo isn't playing rwb for us. Kulu yes, Lucas yes but not Zaniolo. The mentality to graft out of position isn't there and never has been. He'll run and work for sure but he isn't going above and beyond. He sees himself as an attacker and I go as far as to say Maddison would accept 'putting it in' for the team out of position before Zaniolo would. He's a bloody good player Zaniolo but I've not seen a thing says he'll overly defend in time I've watched Serie A (which is back to C4 days). I'd still sign him but not with rwb anytime in my thoughts.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Good lord he’s not coming in to play RWB

I could be wrong, but I do get the feeling that some people are so desperate for us to sign Maddison that they trying to come up with creative ways in which they could both be feasible. I just don’t see it being even remotely possible.

 

[spursfast]

I could be wrong, but I do get the feeling that some people are so desperate for us to sign Maddison that they trying to come up with creative ways in which they could both be feasible. I just don’t see it being even remotely possible.

why if they dont sell YT then