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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

chrissivad

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mil1lion said:
Still can't get my head around how he has a red card. He literally does nothing but react to Tuchel holding onto his hand. I'm not sure what he's supposed to do. He actually did well to not make more of it.

Need to work on this defending a high press though. Chelsea can be one of the best at it but we didn't handle it well enough. Also still much work to defend set pieces, not sure if the new coach will make much difference but needs to earn his money.
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The only thing I can think of was both got a 2nd yellow for failing to control they staff/players on the bench.

If it is, then I hope the PL/FA look at Tuchel and his reaction and give him a longer ban
 
ajspurs

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I do still worry a bit about our setup in games like this, and what we'll find with certain CL games too, especially away from home.

It's the only thing that worries me about this squad. We can be great when the 3-4-3 is working and we can get our front 3 forwards all involved but I still think there will be times when we have to assert greater control and be able to retain and move the ball better.

It's why I wanted Eriksen so much and not to shift to a different setup but to just give us the option to. I said in the match thread today, I'd rather have a Maddison type figure to include today as part of a midfield 3, than a Zaniolo to just provide a like for like change. And I'd warmed to the idea of the latter but I'm just really unsure the balance of the midfield is correct for certain occasions.
 
chrisd2k

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It's sometimes easy to setup against us. Tuchel knew what was coming and setup for it dominating us in the middle of the pitch. A number of us said it in the build-up.

That said he did change things and we scored a couple of goals and on paper that looks good. But we got very lucky and despite the draw we were never in that game.
 
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easley91 said:
Lack of in game flexibility? He brought on Richarlison and we scored. Chelsea took advantage of the back four change for the second. Then he went back to a back five with Perisic at LWB, Richarlison and Kane up top. I think that's the opposite of what you're saying..
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It was all too late and that was painfully obvious, the narrative would be totally different without the last minute equalizer. It's funny because everyone in the match thread was saying the same thing, he's getting a bit of a pass now because we got one point and not zero.
 
dudu

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Strikeb4ck said:
It was all too late and that was painfully obvious, the narrative would be totally different without the last minute equalizer. It's funny because everyone in the match thread was saying the same thing, he's getting a bit of a pass now because we got one point and not zero.
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Clearly it wasn't too late to get a point?
 
TheHoddleWaddle

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I dont buy into the criticism overly, on Conte today. I agree that he could have changed things up sooner. But, despite all Chelseas dominance they didn't actually create much at all.

Their goals were defending errors. The second criminal really.

Second half totally changed, and whilst it wasn't spectacular, it worked.

Chelsea are a very very good side packed with very expensive players. Let's not forget, and conte himself reminded us all we are still a ways off.

He knew.chelsea were potentially a better side and went cautious.

It wasn't great and the CM was given a torrid time, which impacted the wing backs. But it was effective at minimising their attack.

I think we will see more tactical flexibility when he lands a better CB and the squad additions are up to speed.
 
easley91

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Strikeb4ck said:
It was all too late and that was painfully obvious, the narrative would be totally different without the last minute equalizer. It's funny because everyone in the match thread was saying the same thing, he's getting a bit of a pass now because we got one point and not zero.
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But we did get the equaliser and both came from tactic changes and subs. It wasn't too late whatsoever. He got a pass because we took a hard earned point from a place we crumble at every year near enough. He got a pass because he is clearly instilling a never say die attitude amongst these players.

Give me a break.
 
SpursForever71

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Love this guy and it is how i intend on living my life going forward - take no shit.
We would of lost this game if not for him changing formation and getting in the head of Tuchel.
Yes Chelsea were the better team - and we didnt lose
 
WiganSpur

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ajspurs said:
I do still worry a bit about our setup in games like this, and what we'll find with certain CL games too, especially away from home.

It's the only thing that worries me about this squad. We can be great when the 3-4-3 is working and we can get our front 3 forwards all involved but I still think there will be times when we have to assert greater control and be able to retain and move the ball better.

It's why I wanted Eriksen so much and not to shift to a different setup but to just give us the option to. I said in the match thread today, I'd rather have a Maddison type figure to include today as part of a midfield 3, than a Zaniolo to just provide a like for like change. And I'd warmed to the idea of the latter but I'm just really unsure the balance of the midfield is correct for certain occasions.
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Yeah, we do miss an 8/10 hybrid. Since Paqueta could also play RW he seems like the logical pick.
 
WiganSpur

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easley91 said:
Lack of in game flexibility? He brought on Richarlison and we scored. Chelsea took advantage of the back four change for the second. Then he went back to a back five with Perisic at LWB, Richarlison and Kane up top. I think that's the opposite of what you're saying..
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Perisic was about to come on as the goal went in so we were somewhat unfortunate there. Some were saying we should have changed it back as soon as we got the equaliser but the new setup was working and Tuchel hadn't yet changed it himself yet either. If anything what the players have to do is make sure they're adapting themselves quickly in games for 5-10 minutes before the manager can formally change it, and we failed to do that.

I do think Conte got the starting tactics wrong though, Chelsea have consistently dominated us of late by outnumbering us in the middle when we've played double pivots and it seems like we hadn't learned anything from previous encounters.
 
wadewill

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WiganSpur said:
Perisic was about to come on as the goal went in so we were somewhat unfortunate there. Some were saying we should have changed it back as soon as we got the equaliser but the new setup was working and Tuchel hadn't yet changed it himself yet either. If anything what the players have to do is make sure they're adapting themselves quickly in games for 5-10 minutes before the manager can formally change it, and we failed to do that.

I do think Conte got the starting tactics wrong though, Chelsea have consistently dominated us of late by outnumbering us in the middle when we've played double pivots and it seems like we hadn't learned anything from previous encounters.
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This.

He was making those subs before the goal, it looked like he was switching back to a 5 just as they scored. Which was annoying, but ultimately didn’t matter as we got back in it anyway.

I do feel like the media are trying to push something on this “no new players thing”

He knows we will need everyone this season, Bissouma and Perisic in particular will definitely be starters but he needs to keep everyone on side. You don’t just drop players after a decent game

They might start off against Wolves the same, I think we should see our proper XI by the time we play West Ham, barring injuries
 
chrisd2k

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TheHoddleWaddle said:
I dont buy into the criticism overly, on Conte today. I agree that he could have changed things up sooner. But, despite all Chelseas dominance they didn't actually create much at all.

Their goals were defending errors. The second criminal really.

Second half totally changed, and whilst it wasn't spectacular, it worked.

Chelsea are a very very good side packed with very expensive players. Let's not forget, and conte himself reminded us all we are still a ways off.

He knew.chelsea were potentially a better side and went cautious.

It wasn't great and the CM was given a torrid time, which impacted the wing backs. But it was effective at minimising their attack.

I think we will see more tactical flexibility when he lands a better CB and the squad additions are up to speed.
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I would have thought going cautious would have meant a 352, sacrificing one of our attackers for an extra man in midfield. I think he thought we could win with his usual system. Only Conte knows though
 
SirHarryHotspur

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Assume Antonio will be watching from directors box against Wolves after his red , I do hope Daniel has a very decent Barolo in the directors wine cellar. :)
 
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