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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

fishhhandaricecake

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I don't think he expects to win the league this season, he's started talking more and more about things being done over a longer time than he was before. He's very guarded when it comes to his future but I do believe he will commit to being here longer as long as we keep backing him.

Before this window I was very much of the opinion you had to give him everything he wanted because he was all about the here and now, but my opinion over the last few months has certainly changed. He's far more amenable than I expected him to be and is more willing to compromise than I expected. I think the main thing with Conte is don't tell him you are going to do something then not do it. We were very up front with him in what money he had and that he would have to work within that framework and he was fine with it. No demanding of certain players or that they had to be world class superstars, he laid out his plans and worked with Levy and FP to work out the best way to achieve this Summers objectives.

Keep backing him, and keep him firmly in the loop with how things are, and he's pretty level headed tbh. Certainly not the diva I expected him to be.
You're so spot on here mate. Us Italians are easily pleased mate, there may be some emotional up and down immediate reactions to certain things but that will usually cool off and reality will set in but honesty is always the n.o1 thing.

Obviously everyone is different and there is not really one set rule but my Nonna is literally from the same area in Italy that Conte grew up in (Lecce) in Puglia and it is quite an Italian trait imo especially from that Southernly region to communicate quite directly and to really value honesty.

I think some people misunderstand Conte if they've not followed him deeply they perceive that he's hot headed and walks out on clubs and never wants to stay a long time etc, that is not exactly the case, if the circumstances are right and he is given the backing and control that he has asked for and that doesn't change then for sure I think it is not unreasonable for him to want to stay at a club for a good 3-4 seasons. I don't think he will ever be a Ferguson type to spend 5-10-20 years at one club because once he's scratched an itch so to speak and built a team up and won something against difficult odds then he might try to win one more thing or better what he's previously won but generally there will come a point where he will seek a new challenge as he enjoys the building process because the 'hard work' that goes into that then means if/when he does win it is far more satisfactory.

Thanks for sharing the inside info about us being up front with him about the money we had to work with and that he's not been demanding world class superstars, that absolutely doesn't surprise me at all, as you've even said before Conte wants players with a very specific physical and technical skillset as well as strong mentality and willingness to work hard and run and fight so quite a few 'superstars' actually won't interest him. And again great to hear he isn't the 'diva you expected him to be' but again this is a media portrayal of him which is slightly inaccurate.

I actually think he will work well and be good for Levy because as much as Levy tries to portray the tough negotiator act it is clear that he is also ambitious and to an extent caring and tries to understand but I think a big issue previously with other managers and DofF set-ups has been two things:
1) Managers haven't been honest enough and strong enough with Levy and/or if they have he has overruled them because he retained a lot of the say in terms of the football decision making
2) Apart from possibly Jose and at times Poch, I don't believe Levy has fully believed in a manager being 'The one' to realise the ambition he has set out. We know that Jose plays all sorts of games and will lie through his teeth at times and Poch was very stubborn so neither of those things actually are helpful when dealing with Levy, Levy needs to work with strong characters who will tell him how it is but ones who he respects enough to trust their decisions.

So when you then add Paratici to this mix who has achieved so much success at Juve and add the fan pressure etc well Levy now has the perfect recipe to hand over far more control to the manager and DofF set-up and hence we now have a better chance than ever to achieve success on the pitch.

That is my take on it all anyway.
 

SecretLemonadeDrinker

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Us Italians are easily pleased mate, there may be some emotional up and down immediate reactions to certain things but that will usually cool off and reality will set in but honesty is always the n.o1 thing.

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spursfan77

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He loves being a bit up against it and proving people wrong, it plays to his ego.

Winning a title with a Real Madrid etc basically any half decent manager can do but taking teams from a lesser position with a small chance of winning but not the favourites is his sweetspot. This is his hardest challenge given the level we were at when he took over and given the strength of the PL being at an all time high but he's always said "I only need a 1% chance to win"

‘I’ve always said that I have to feel only one per cent the possibility to win the league,’ he said in an interview with beIN Sports. ‘Here it is strange because maybe I feel the one per cent possibility to finish fourth.


Not saying we will win the league ofc but I think he must think with this squad we have 'at least a 1% chance', also he is clearly exaggerating a bit because last season we had a much better than 1% chance of finishing 4th, I'd say maybe at 10-20% chance. Now in terms of % chance to win the league this season well that is probably pretty low given that Man.City are a cheat code and Liverpool are phenomenally consistent too, but they can't both keep it up forever and the league is strong this season so teams should drop points more often hopefully, with most bookies we are about 10-1 or 15-1 so approx a 5-10% chance and I think that is probably about a fair reflection.

But not just the league, Conte will want to win any trophy with us as it would in this day and age up against the 'monsters' as he calls City, Liverpool, Utd and Chelsea, it would be a great achievement to win one of 4 trophies when we are up against 2 of the biggest richest most famous and successful clubs in England in Man.U and Liverpool and then 2 of the most financially doped in City and Chelsea + all the major European forces in the CL etc.

Conte is a difference maker, he's a top 3 manager in the world imo and our squad is really getting very strong so lots of be optimistic about and he will be thriving on probably the biggest challenge of his career to date but one where he should see that he has more than enough of a chance that he is acceptable with to win something.

It wasn’t that long ago that the media and our fans were using that quote against him when it was obvious what he meant (and some of us defended him on here for it):

“I’ve always said that I have to feel only one per cent the possibility to win the league,’ he said in an interview with beIN Sports. ‘Here it is strange because maybe I feel the one per cent possibility to finish fourth.”
 

easley91

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I think in his own mind if he wins the league or something major here then it proves how elite he really is. It's one thing winning at clubs already winning things and set up for it, it's another to do it where people don't see the club as real opposition.
 

spursfan77

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Spot on from Carragher here. Still a long way to go for us before any real judgement can be made. We should definitely be trying to chase Chelsea down though.

 

Metalhead

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Spot on from Carragher here. Still a long way to go for us before any real judgement can be made. We should definitely be trying to chase Chelsea down though.


That is true but then what tends to happen is that we are subject to media hype and then get accused of getting carried away when it's the media hyping us in the first place.
 

Strikeb4ck

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In terms of the 90 minutes today, rather worrying stuff. No doubt we have a top class manager, but the knock on him has always been stubborness and lack of in game flexibility. Think he was totally and utterly outcoached today, in a way that doesn't fill me with confidence against the more wily tacticians in the league/Europe.

That being said, does feel like a bit of a mentality switch that is probably Conte-instilled in terms of being able to pick up a point out of that display.
 

Jamturk

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In terms of the 90 minutes today, rather worrying stuff. No doubt we have a top class manager, but the knock on him has always been stubborness and lack of in game flexibility. Think he was totally and utterly outcoached today, in a way that doesn't fill me with confidence against the more wily tacticians in the league/Europe.

That being said, does feel like a bit of a mentality switch that is probably Conte-instilled in terms of being able to pick up a point out of that display.

I'm sure he changed the system in the 55th minute.
 

easley91

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In terms of the 90 minutes today, rather worrying stuff. No doubt we have a top class manager, but the knock on him has always been stubborness and lack of in game flexibility. Think he was totally and utterly outcoached today, in a way that doesn't fill me with confidence against the more wily tacticians in the league/Europe.

That being said, does feel like a bit of a mentality switch that is probably Conte-instilled in terms of being able to pick up a point out of that display.
Lack of in game flexibility? He brought on Richarlison and we scored. Chelsea took advantage of the back four change for the second. Then he went back to a back five with Perisic at LWB, Richarlison and Kane up top. I think that's the opposite of what you're saying..
 

Yiddo100

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In terms of the 90 minutes today, rather worrying stuff. No doubt we have a top class manager, but the knock on him has always been stubborness and lack of in game flexibility. Think he was totally and utterly outcoached today, in a way that doesn't fill me with confidence against the more wily tacticians in the league/Europe.

That being said, does feel like a bit of a mentality switch that is probably Conte-instilled in terms of being able to pick up a point out of that display.
We went to a back four to try and change the game, I’d say that’s almost exactly what In game flexibility is
 

mil1lion

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Still can't get my head around how he has a red card. He literally does nothing but react to Tuchel holding onto his hand. I'm not sure what he's supposed to do. He actually did well to not make more of it.

Need to work on this defending a high press though. Chelsea can be one of the best at it but we didn't handle it well enough. Also still much work to defend set pieces, not sure if the new coach will make much difference but needs to earn his money.
 
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