Adebayor chant, just plain wrong! yeah, the threads still going

ever · Feb 15, 2008

can only black guys wash elephants then,

if so somebody better tell that guy in bristol zoo back in the 80's cos he was white

Adam456 · Feb 15, 2008

JamezTheYido said:
Can someone explain how it is racist?

Wasing elephants is'nt racist, Nor is calling someone's mum a whore

That's right. it merely reflects the poor employment prospects for your average person living in Africa.

I'm not really one for taking the p*ss out of people less fortunate so I won't be singing along but it's nothing compared to the Chelsea Auswitch song or the Goons hissing.

Much ado about nothing !

Pleat_Out · Feb 15, 2008

sloth said:
You don't Stoof think there's anything wrong with it (and I'm not calling you racist here, or anything like it, you're not) but then your not black or African are you?

I reckon I'd feel pretty uncomfortable as a black African Spurs player or supporter if I heard that song sung by my fellow yids, that's all.

But how could you know for sure because presumably you're not black or African? :shrug:

Stoof · Feb 15, 2008

sloth said:
You don't Stoof think there's anything wrong with it (and I'm not calling you racist here, or anything like it, you're not) but then your not black or African are you?

I reckon I'd feel pretty uncomfortable as a black African Spurs player or supporter if I heard that song sung by my fellow yids, that's all.

I don't understand why people automatically associate washing elephants with Africans?

I certainly don't. If we get into it, most elephants in captivity are in non-African places. If they're wild, they wash themselves. In zoos, do you have to be African to wash an elephant?

Does anyone even wash an elephant? Considering they've got a pretty big nose (I know it's not a nose but it's funnier describing it as one) I doubt anyone does.

So does it say more of the person interpreting if they associate it, rather than how people intend it?

fortworthspur · Feb 15, 2008

Can someone explain how it is racist?

The line "his dad washes elephants" would never appear in a song about Wayne Rooney, Lampard or Crouch. It would make no sense. In fact, has a line about washing large mammals endemic to europe ever appeared in a song about a white footballer? Calling his mom a whore isnt racist.

Delboy10 · Feb 15, 2008

There were black Spurs fans singing it too! If it was racist they wouldn't be singing it would they?

Btw - Bumped in to Rohan Ricketts on the train back! He was lashed and kept asking us who played centre mid vs Derby, repeatedly :grin:

sloth · Feb 15, 2008

ever said:
can only black guys wash elephants then,

if so somebody better tell that guy in bristol zoo back in the 80's cos he was white

If you sung it to a zoo keeper's son, lol, you'd be on safe ground, although he may object to you calling his Mum a whore.

But the elephant reference is clearly because he's african. It's not incidental, it's the point and it's meant to be insulting and so what it does is stereotype a player based on his ethnic origin in order to insult. Like calling black players monkeys or throwing bananas at them. That is racist in exactly the same way as calling Gareth Bale a monkey is not.

I know most people wouldn't have thought of it that way and are just singing a funny song, but i reckon loads of Spurs supporters would be ashamed by that song and others made to feel very uncomfortable. Can you imagine a black man singing it for example?

Edit: post above ^^^ has just answered the last point. i still reckon loads more would have felt shit to hear it.

Stoof · Feb 15, 2008

sloth said:
Can you imagine a black man singing it for example?

Delboy10 said:
There were black Spurs fans singing it too! If it was racist they wouldn't be singing it would they?

Case and point?

Btw - Bumped in to Rohan Ricketts on the train back! He was lashed and kept asking us who played centre mid vs Derby, repeatedly :grin:

Hope you looked after your phone, Delboy! You know what ol' King Ricketts of Rohan is like.

Delboy10 · Feb 15, 2008

Yes, i saw a black man singing it in the concourse at Derby.

sloth · Feb 15, 2008

Pleat_Out said:
But how could you know for sure because presumably you're not black or African? :shrug:

I'm not. And I don't know. I'm just saying that I think it would.

thfcsuperyid · Feb 15, 2008

Adebayor, Adebayoooor
His Dad washes elephants and his mother's a whore...

haha what a song

we hate arsenal and we hate arsenal.

gregga · Feb 15, 2008

sloth said:
If you sung it to a zoo keeper's son, lol, you'd be on safe ground, although he may object to you calling his Mum a whore.

But the elephant reference is clearly because he's african. It's not incidental, it's the point and it's meant to be insulting and so what it does is stereotype a player based on his ethnic origin in order to insult. Like calling black players monkeys or throwing bananas at them. That is racist in exactly the same way as calling Gareth Bale a monkey is not.

I know most people wouldn't have thought of it that way and are just singing a funny song, but i reckon loads of Spurs supporters would be ashamed by that song and others made to feel very uncomfortable. Can you imagine a black man singing it for example?

Edit: post above ^^^ has just answered the last point. i still reckon loads more would have felt shit to hear it.

This post hits the nail on the head for me.

Not only is it offensive but its also a rubbish chant. Its not catchy and i personally think it sounds pants when sung.

I also think its pretty dark considering Adebayor's dad died years ago.

I think its along the same lines of the shoebomber chants aimed at Mido.

PYiddy · Feb 15, 2008

MarkinJapan said:
That's fucking disgraceful.

We will always be a small club compared to that lot if we keep singing about them even when we're playing miles away. We have to concentrate on supporting our own club first.

I would go so far as to ban fans singing racist stuff like that. We're better than that, aren't we?

Cos no other club does that, do they?

No one singing "stand up if u hate tottenham" at the england game at wembly was there?

Racist and sexist chants are banned by the way, its just incredibly hard to police.

sloth · Feb 15, 2008

Stoof said:
Case and point?

Hope you looked after your phone, Delboy! You know what ol' King Ricketts of Rohan is like.

I think i probably answered it in an Edit, just as you posted this.

Anyway, I'm not up for getting in a row about it. I don't think hardly anyone who sang it thought it was racist or thinks it is or meant it in a racist way, I just think that it probably fails the litmus test, and on a personal level as a Spurs supporter it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

Stoof · Feb 15, 2008

gregga said:
I also think its pretty dark considering Adebayor's dad died years ago.

Really?

I think its along the same lines of the shoebomber chants aimed at Mido.

I don't think it is. Because that's calling him a terrorist on the basis that he bares a striking resemblance to Richard Reid (according to some quick-witted websites).

Quick, run everybody! It's the over-the-top police!

JamesTheYiddo · Feb 15, 2008

gregga said:
I think its along the same lines of the shoebomber chants aimed at Mido.

:duh:

Delboy10 · Feb 15, 2008

Stoof said:
Case and point?

Hope you looked after your phone, Delboy! You know what ol' King Ricketts of Rohan is like.

:grin: yep, my BlackBerry was kept safely tucked away in my front pocket... Careful, somebody might accuse you of being racist with such a comment :roll: RR plays for Barnsley now, he looked really really happy about this fact :lol:

Stoof · Feb 15, 2008

And just to add to the Adebayor theme ...

Clickity click!

Mattspur · Feb 15, 2008

sloth said:
Anyway, I'm not up for getting in a row about it. I don't think hardly anyone who sang it thought it was racist or thinks it is or meant it in a racist way, I just think that it probably fails the litmus test, and on a personal level as a Spurs supporter it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

But Yid Army is different. right?:shrug:

tRiKS · Feb 15, 2008

Stoof said:
I don't understand why people automatically associate washing elephants with Africans?

I certainly don't. If we get into it, most elephants in captivity are in non-African places. If they're wild, they wash themselves. In zoos, do you have to be African to wash an elephant?

Does anyone even wash an elephant? Considering they've got a pretty big nose (I know it's not a nose but it's funnier describing it as one) I doubt anyone does.

So does it say more of the person interpreting if they associate it, rather than how people intend it?

it's the fact people chose Elephants becasue it's an animal in Africa... and it doesn't matter really if technically elephants are washed by white zoo keepers or by themselves with thier big noses. What matters is perception and if the majority perceive it to be a racist thing then it has become a racist thing.

Personally i'm not comfortable with this song. Better to be safe than sorry.

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