Can someone explain how it is racist?
Wasing elephants is'nt racist, Nor is calling someone's mum a whore
You don't Stoof think there's anything wrong with it (and I'm not calling you racist here, or anything like it, you're not) but then your not black or African are you?
I reckon I'd feel pretty uncomfortable as a black African Spurs player or supporter if I heard that song sung by my fellow yids, that's all.
You don't Stoof think there's anything wrong with it (and I'm not calling you racist here, or anything like it, you're not) but then your not black or African are you?
I reckon I'd feel pretty uncomfortable as a black African Spurs player or supporter if I heard that song sung by my fellow yids, that's all.
Can someone explain how it is racist?
can only black guys wash elephants then,
if so somebody better tell that guy in bristol zoo back in the 80's cos he was white
Can you imagine a black man singing it for example?
There were black Spurs fans singing it too! If it was racist they wouldn't be singing it would they?
Btw - Bumped in to Rohan Ricketts on the train back! He was lashed and kept asking us who played centre mid vs Derby, repeatedly :grin:
But how could you know for sure because presumably you're not black or African? :shrug:
If you sung it to a zoo keeper's son, lol, you'd be on safe ground, although he may object to you calling his Mum a whore.
But the elephant reference is clearly because he's african. It's not incidental, it's the point and it's meant to be insulting and so what it does is stereotype a player based on his ethnic origin in order to insult. Like calling black players monkeys or throwing bananas at them. That is racist in exactly the same way as calling Gareth Bale a monkey is not.
I know most people wouldn't have thought of it that way and are just singing a funny song, but i reckon loads of Spurs supporters would be ashamed by that song and others made to feel very uncomfortable. Can you imagine a black man singing it for example?
Edit: post above ^^^ has just answered the last point. i still reckon loads more would have felt shit to hear it.
That's fucking disgraceful.
We will always be a small club compared to that lot if we keep singing about them even when we're playing miles away. We have to concentrate on supporting our own club first.
I would go so far as to ban fans singing racist stuff like that. We're better than that, aren't we?
Case and point?
Hope you looked after your phone, Delboy! You know what ol' King Ricketts of Rohan is like.
I also think its pretty dark considering Adebayor's dad died years ago.
I think its along the same lines of the shoebomber chants aimed at Mido.
:duh:I think its along the same lines of the shoebomber chants aimed at Mido.
Case and point?
Hope you looked after your phone, Delboy! You know what ol' King Ricketts of Rohan is like.
Anyway, I'm not up for getting in a row about it. I don't think hardly anyone who sang it thought it was racist or thinks it is or meant it in a racist way, I just think that it probably fails the litmus test, and on a personal level as a Spurs supporter it makes me feel very uncomfortable.
I don't understand why people automatically associate washing elephants with Africans?
I certainly don't. If we get into it, most elephants in captivity are in non-African places. If they're wild, they wash themselves. In zoos, do you have to be African to wash an elephant?
Does anyone even wash an elephant? Considering they've got a pretty big nose (I know it's not a nose but it's funnier describing it as one) I doubt anyone does.
So does it say more of the person interpreting if they associate it, rather than how people intend it?