gibbospurs
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Hardly an alien position for him now. He’s probably played the 30/40 games in that position. Its not hard to cross a ball into the right areas at a bare minimum.
Player Watch: Emerson Royal
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teedee
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One thing is certain. A player can ignore the bile from his own team's supporters for only so long. It is counter productive to keep booing a player such as Emerson. It will make him worse, not better.i do wonder if Sanchez and Emmerson felt they had unconditional support and love from the fans how much better they would be?
lets be honest we have all told a lot of women, we love them and how beautiful they are to get the right result
football grounds are just full of anger and frustration, its people escape and sadly it's taken out on the players
King of the Lane
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I felt really sad for Emerson after reading Ally Gold's comments. Emerson's head dropping when he heard the cheers for his substitution is not nice to see or read. I dont rate him as a player but I cant fault his ability to keep trying. The booing is getting ridiculous and I can see it affecting Conte's decision to carry on with us.
ajspurs
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I can only hope the next time he takes to the pitch that the actual real supporters give him a noticeably warm reception. Can't believe we'd do that to one of our own for someone as frustrating as he can be, tries his hardest.
ultimateloner
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This is wishful thinking from a fan's persecptive. Spence is unlikely to be ready. Conte's job and focus is on getting the max no. of points, so he is highly unlikely to not play Spence if he is a better option than ER.
Conte has alot to lose if he deploys the wrong player. He has less chance of getting enough points.
I think with regards to the Doherty/Spence situation, we should just trust Conte. You dont become a worldclass coach if you can't spot a player after seeing them in training everyday for 3 months.
coysjod
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That's an easy one, just rent an airplane with a banner. He can't miss that. Follow me for more pro tips.
fridgemagnet
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See now I fully understand why Conte hasn't played Spence; I haven't seen much of Spence play but I understand he was loaned to Forest from 'boro' and had a break out year.
Now I look at say Bissouma who I've not followed In great depth but recognise he's put in some really good performances against a higher calibre of opponent and I've seen him struggling in grasping what Conte is demanding.
So back to Spence given that seasoned wingbacks have taken their time getting the hang of that role I fully get why there's been a lack of Spence; to those saying send him out on loan well that doesn't help much as even if he got a PL loan playing week in and week out he's not going to learning what a Conte WB is.
When Uodiggy comes in next season I expect similar experience to what Spence is currently going through; yet everyone's blowing their lumps expecting him in from day one.
The bigger question is surely how come Doherty isn't able to shift Emerson? Again I'm fully on record as not really rating Doc, but Emerson isn't a RWB what's Doc's excuse? Is it a total free pass for some of the recent nonsense I've seen him do? No; did I swear from my sofa; yes most probably! Has he been the only one cocking up of late; no!
As you've said a number of them I'm fine as being squad members, I like Lenglet, I like (a confident) Dier, I like Ben Davies if for no other reason than he shows what I believe Conte is after in his wide CB's, I will always love that silly French bastard Hugo and I'm in no hurry to see him leave the club but we need some succession planning in the works there (preferably one that has decent feet) and under no circumstances should our next GK be captain!
I don't think it's a coincidence that since certain members of that back 5 have gotten mentally tired/lost confidence they've/we've looked a lot worse but as I've said before I think you can go back to Poch's last 6 months here and we were shipping an average of 2 goals a game, Conte solidified that up a bit last season but that it's still a fairly accurate average IIRC and you look and say to yourself which personnel back there are better than what Poch had (bearing in mind Poch had a burnt out Toby and Jan)
I'm fairly certain one day in a different league and a couple more years Emerson'll be playing as a RB/RCB and being more than decent and people on here will be "OMG! should never have sold him etc." but again as said numerous times he was bought in for Nuno's back four!
I don't think it's a coincidence that since certain members of that back 5 have gotten mentally tired/lost confidence they've/we've looked a lot worse but as I've said before I think you can go back to Poch's last 6 months here and we were shipping an average of 2 goals a game, Conte solidified that up a bit last season but that it's still a fairly accurate average IIRC and you look and say to yourself which personnel back there are better than what Poch had (bearing in mind Poch had a burnt out Toby and Jan)
I'm fairly certain one day in a different league and a couple more years Emerson'll be playing as a RB/RCB and being more than decent and people on here will be "OMG! should never have sold him etc." but again as said numerous times he was bought in for Nuno's back four!
Finchyid
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Cracking 2-0 defeat at Forest…I will forget that pretty quickly
septicsac
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Emerson has so many problems to list:
1. He is a full back, now expected to play wing back.
2. He is not good enough to play the role of wing back
3. He is Brazilian, so you expect him to be good with the ball at his feet and like him or dislike him he is so unbrazilian with the ball at his feet it is scary.
4. He came from Barca, you expect better than we got, but they done Leeds one with Firpo as well, who is probably worse.
5. He cost 30M, you got to expect better value for the money paid, plus now we got to try recoup it to replace him.
6. He is now suffering from his bad performances, he was never comfortable, but since some of his brutal passes and attempts at goal have been "reacted" to by fans it has visibly made him more reluctant and unfortunately even less effective.
It is extremely unlikely and highly improbable to see him turn it around at Spurs now, but what does that say about Spence and Doherty who continue to struggle to get ahead of him in the first 11?
1. He is a full back, now expected to play wing back.
2. He is not good enough to play the role of wing back
3. He is Brazilian, so you expect him to be good with the ball at his feet and like him or dislike him he is so unbrazilian with the ball at his feet it is scary.
4. He came from Barca, you expect better than we got, but they done Leeds one with Firpo as well, who is probably worse.
5. He cost 30M, you got to expect better value for the money paid, plus now we got to try recoup it to replace him.
6. He is now suffering from his bad performances, he was never comfortable, but since some of his brutal passes and attempts at goal have been "reacted" to by fans it has visibly made him more reluctant and unfortunately even less effective.
It is extremely unlikely and highly improbable to see him turn it around at Spurs now, but what does that say about Spence and Doherty who continue to struggle to get ahead of him in the first 11?
chrisd2k
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He might be though ?
chrisd2k
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Tainio? Thought he was more than decent. Tremezzani is the name that always springs to mind when people say worst player ever... What hair. What a poor, well everything else.
Scott was pretty bad too ?
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I actually thought Conte would form a connection with Spurs because we were a better lot than Chelsea, don’t expect the moon on a stick and so on, back the team even in tough times. I’m sure this used to be Spurs to an extent. Deep down I imagine he thinks less of the club than he did. We sing his name but a few poor results and it all falls away. We sing some players names but seek to hurt others. We now seem to boo all the time, what's going on?
I know Emerson won’t read this but I’m sorry mate, you deserved better. I hope he wants to keep trying for us.
If some of our fans put the same level of effort in supporting the club as Emerson did to become an elite sportsman we'd be a better club.
I know Emerson won’t read this but I’m sorry mate, you deserved better. I hope he wants to keep trying for us.
If some of our fans put the same level of effort in supporting the club as Emerson did to become an elite sportsman we'd be a better club.
easley91
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We've won with him in, we've won without him. We've lost with him, we've lost without him.
Our defeats are not solely down to him and he has played a part in a few of the wins whether people want to admit or not.
Every single player has made mistakes or underperformed this season and yet I haven't seen the amount of abuse given to them as I have Emerson.
Blake Griffin
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do you have a theory as to why this is? do spurs fans have a hidden agenda/ulterior motive when it comes to emerson specifically?
or maybe his net contribution has just been far less than other apparently underperforming players.
freeeki
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Easy one.
Send a CV and cover letter to Daniel Levy laying out the reasons why you should be picking the team over Antonio Conte.
Let us know how you go.
Trix
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Yeah he might be but again you are basing that on nothing but hope, and a couple of brief memories, whereas the guy who is picking the team knows everything about the situation. Conte is no idiot, if he thought Spence would raise his chances of winning he'd be playing. I think we can all agree that Conte is a serial win at all costs mentality manager. He doesn't care if it's pretty football as long as his teams win. No way is he deliberately hamstringing himself to prove a point to Levy. We saw in his minutes against Forrest he's very direct, didn't look to use Kulu much and didn't look to over/underlap. These are key components to Conte's 3-4-3 and he won't pick players that can't/don't follow his instruction because his entire ethos is built around specific patterns of play. It's why I think Emerson is playing so much because whilst he's not technically good enough to do this enough, he's at least trying to which still gives balance to the side he's trying to create.
I keep reading posts saying "Why can't Conte see it" when referring to Emerson...... The fact he has prioritised another RWB tells me he very much does, he just believes for whatever reason this far he's still the better choice of the three for his system and his instruction.
freeeki
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If you’re wondering just how deep this rot within our fan base has gone -
Emerson’s last post on Instagram was celebrating the UCL win in Marseille.
He’s now had to turn off comments on that post, because they were filled with utter wankers from our fan base demanding explanations for <insert performance in other game>.
It’s not just the booing. It’s not just the cheering when he goes off. It’s not just the fans clearly hurling abuse at him on the TV broadcast. It’s now hounding him on his own social media pages.
All this immediately before a 6 week international break, where all he can do is stew on it.
Whether you think he’s good enough to play for our club doesn’t interest me in the slightest.
He’s a 23 year old lad, trying his hardest, and the way he’s been treated by a load of angry middle aged diabetics who think they know best is a fucking disgrace. An absolute fucking disgrace.
Same people, no doubt, who will sanctimoniously applaud people for “speaking up” when it comes to mental health, social media abuse and the likes.
Loathsome, toxic pricks.
Emerson’s last post on Instagram was celebrating the UCL win in Marseille.
He’s now had to turn off comments on that post, because they were filled with utter wankers from our fan base demanding explanations for <insert performance in other game>.
It’s not just the booing. It’s not just the cheering when he goes off. It’s not just the fans clearly hurling abuse at him on the TV broadcast. It’s now hounding him on his own social media pages.
All this immediately before a 6 week international break, where all he can do is stew on it.
Whether you think he’s good enough to play for our club doesn’t interest me in the slightest.
He’s a 23 year old lad, trying his hardest, and the way he’s been treated by a load of angry middle aged diabetics who think they know best is a fucking disgrace. An absolute fucking disgrace.
Same people, no doubt, who will sanctimoniously applaud people for “speaking up” when it comes to mental health, social media abuse and the likes.
Loathsome, toxic pricks.
Trix
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Yeah I think a lot of fans saw Spence as the second coming because he's quick and direct. I see the way Udoggie has been elevated to starter status for the first game of next season by some despite never playing in the league. A&C is spot on when he calls it a hive mentality and once the hive starts to focus it's pretty much end game as far as that player is concerned. Every positive ignored, every mistake magnified. He's vilified for everything praised for nothing, and as soon as he's gone that same crowd will look for their next victim. Sissokko was the "worst player ever to wear the shirt" a couple of years ago now it's Royal. If he gets his chance and fails to perform it could just as easily be Spence in a couple of years time. Simply put the haters shout louder and more often than the balanced, and the hive follow those that shout loudest.
Is he good enough for where we want to be? No. Is he as bad as many people are posting? Definitely not.
Joshua shepherd
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It is quite incredible that the abuse is magnified because we signed Djed Spence. If it was just Doherty and Royal battling it out I don’t think there would be much of a problem, but the amount of people you can see and hear pinning their hopes on Spence expecting him to be the second coming of Walker is incredible. Madness actually.
As an aside, I was there early on Saturday and watched the players warm up, the starting 11 were doing organised drills and most of the subs were passing to eachother in a circle. Then there was Spence who was just wandering around for about 20 minutes half assing rabonas over the bar. Might’ve been a one off but put me off him in that moment.
Royal is the best we have, and until we sign someone better it’s absolutely nuts to kill his confidence and connection for the club. It’s a shame it’s 6 weeks til the next game because I’m sure he would’ve got a good reception from the majority when his name was read out in the next one.
Cel
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I reckon there is an almost unconscious grudge against selling Walker to a EPL team still, so all RB's that are not as good start off in the bad books, and the patience is much lower to letting them settle. Same with Trips, SA, Doch etc who all got pelters to differing degrees too, when there were worse performances going on. We haven't sold many others in recent times, so other positions don't get the same level of scrutiny is my theory. Was a reminder at the time we are not 'one of the big boys' which still sits badly.
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