Player Watch: Emerson Royal

[Finchyid]

We've won with him in, we've won without him. We've lost with him, we've lost without him.

Our defeats are not solely down to him and he has played a part in a few of the wins whether people want to admit or not.

Every single player has made mistakes or underperformed this season and yet I haven't seen the amount of abuse given to them as I have Emerson.

I will choose to forget forest game because it was embarassing. Only Forster came out with any credit.
You are exactly right football is a team game, tail end of last season last 10 games played won 7 drew 2 and lost 1. NLD and Anfield game (we should have won) 4 clean sheets and 5 goals conceded, Emerson was involved as was Doherty
You correctly say all players have made mistakes and/or not performed this season. I don't understand why but not many are getting the abuse
It seems to be because of wingback system fans just seem to think its all the wingbacks fault

 

[Nebby]

Emerson (and Dier and Davies) is getting it because Arsenal are top of the table. A large chunk of our fan base is terrified that they will win the title, when we blew our best chance under Poch. We've had bad players before (certainly worse than Emerson), but they never got this amount of stick.

 

[Freddie]

It seemed fair to have a rant on a Spurs forum about how frustrating he is and it was almost therapeutic to be able to share it with other Spurs fans but booing him during games and abusing him on his own social media page is moronic and potentially very damaging for the guy. Everything that needs to be said about his limitations has been said so unless there's a remarkable upturn in his form I'm going to stop posting about him. Unless he starts next season as our no. 1 RWB...

 

[Dakes]

In general, society has become more self-centered. It was always a problem but in modern times it's escalated. Other-centredness is becoming a foreign concept.

It manifests in all spheres of life and therefore one would see it in football too amongst fans.

 

[easley91]

I will choose to forget forest game because it was embarassing. Only Forster came out with any credit.
You are exactly right football is a team game, tail end of last season last 10 games played won 7 drew 2 and lost 1. NLD and Anfield game (we should have won) 4 clean sheets and 5 goals conceded, Emerson was involved as was Doherty
You correctly say all players have made mistakes and/or not performed this season. I don't understand why but not many are getting the abuse
It seems to be because of wingback system fans just seem to think its all the wingbacks fault

I just struggle with understanding why it's only Emerson that gets it. It's baffling and makes me sick to my stomach. Let's say Spence comes in and makes errors and doesn't live up to this hype that some have some how generated. Will he then get the same treatment?

 

[mil1lion]

The world and society is in the bin though and this is just one example of it. Honestly not sure what sort of world my kids are growing up into. But anyway that's waaay to heavy for a Spurs chat ?

I think part of the issue is people will grow up with a lot of sensationalised content online. I'm always seeing headlines like "viewers are outraged" or "furious" about something. Everything always seems to be over the top. I imagine growing up with all that negativity must have an affect on people. Everything has to be exaggerated as we see with Emerson. I guess people use these expressions to really drive their point across. Worst player ever, absolutely shocking etc etc. I even heard someone shout "get that **** out of my club" in the crowd Saturday when Emerson blasted over the bar.

 

[mil1lion]

I just struggle with understanding why it's only Emerson that gets it. It's baffling and makes me sick to my stomach. Let's say Spence comes in and makes errors and doesn't live up to this hype that some have some how generated. Will he then get the same treatment?

I think it's a big part of the reason to be reluctant with Spence. Ironic really that the fans being so negative and hostile at games is part of the reason a player they would like to start isn't. Maybe if the atmosphere was more positive Spence would have more chance being tested.

 

[fortworthspur]

I just struggle with understanding why it's only Emerson that gets it. It's baffling and makes me sick to my stomach. Let's say Spence comes in and makes errors and doesn't live up to this hype that some have some how generated. Will he then get the same treatment?

who's better? Perisic certainly in attack but is a liability defending. Sess? very much a work in progress. Docherty isnt demonstrably better or he'd be getting the starts. I dont get the abuse either.

 

[wishkah]

No doubt playing a WB heavy system with Royal is like playing basket ball with one hand tied behind your back.

If he can go in Jan, that would best for everyone as personally feel it's beyond the point of return. Not from a fan-hate perspective, but from him being targeted by the oposition and our own players purposely not playing the ball to him.

However, the rest of the season is going to be dictated by the amount of players who are fit / rested post world cup. Having our RB's, Kulu and a few others not out there is huge. So if a replacement cannot be found i see no reason not to keep him. Although an upgrade is so important.

 

[bubble07]

The booing did work once when lucas was boo'd off during the 0-3 v United. That along with negative ENIC chants resulted in Nuno going the following day

But booing at half time simply because the team is losing or even drawing is pathetic. If its done all the time it also loses its value which then makes it pointless

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

The guy is stealing a living. He isn't just mocked by our fans but fans of every other club. I'm struggling to think of a worst player this century.

An international player who has consistently played in the top leagues of various nations and you can't think of a worst [sic] player. I think that's more of an insult to you than Emerson.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

But he consistently doesn't produce going forward. It's an important thing for this system. It doesn't matter if someone was worse, he's been consistently poor all season

Still better than Son this season. Should Son also receive 'voiced concerns'?

 

[archiewasking]

I'm not a big fan of Emerson, would honestly prefer Doherty, simply because he's experienced and pretty reasonable in the actual role of RWB that we need him to perform.

But. The booing and targeting of him is totally out of order. He's a fellow human being trying to do the best with the difficult hand he's been dealt.

And yes, I'm intrigued to see what Spence can bring to the party. But if his parent club in the Championship had good enough options to send him out on a season long loan to another Championship side, doesn't that tell us something? Whatever Conte's opinion of him and what he sees in training.

 

[night-watchman]

Emerson (and Dier and Davies) is getting it because Arsenal are top of the table. A large chunk of our fan base is terrified that they will win the title, when we blew our best chance under Poch. We've had bad players before (certainly worse than Emerson), but they never got this amount of stick.

I 100% agree with this. Like most of us, I am utterly baffled by Emerson's selection and wholly disagree with it, but the over the top toxicity toward certain players is coming out of anger at what is happening down the road.

We all need to face the facts over 3 things:
1. There is a good chance Arsenal will win the title this season and based on current performance deservedly so.
2. This doesn't mean Conte isn't doing a good job.
3. If we want Conte to continue as our manager, we need to get off our players backs and start fucking supporting them in the ground. I am convinced that if this treatment continues Conte is simply going to walk which would be an unmitigated disaster.

 

[glacierSpurs]

To be honest, this leaves a bad taste. It always leaves a bad taste. The booing in the ground is one thing, but the way our players get abused on here, the massive over emphasis on even the smallest mistake, calling something an error when it isn't just to add to the charge sheet, ignoring any positives and how keen people are to attach unfair blame and go way over the top with it, is a fucking joke. But add the spite and abuse then the whole place just feels toxic.

And I'm talking about every player the hive decides to scapegoat here, not just Emerson and overall, it has been getting worse. It takes on a life of it's own and it gets out of hand to the point where anything at all positive is just ignored and any negative is made out to be a heinous crime, it's not acceptable in any sense and on our own? Is that really what passes for support these days?

Now I don't care wether someone thinks he's not good enough, not as bad as people make out or the lazy but popular 'worst player i've seen at Spurs' but the ridicule and vitriol aimed at our own players, by our own fans, is, quite frankly, childish and pathetic. It's about time people started posting like sensible grown ups and put the vitriol and hyperbole to one side. SC would be massively better for it.

I'm pretty sure people can say a player isn't good enough, put aside all the above and debate it from there sensibly. You know, like grown ups. There is no need for the rest of it. None. Think about that, think about how you approach it, again, SC will be a better place for it, I promise you.

Thanks. This is a much-needed post. TBH, immediately after the last game before WC I totally switched off away from this forum because while people said the stadium was getting toxic, I think it is starting to worsen here, especially with all the arguments surrounding Emerson.

The thing I have most issue is, however, while everyone keep harping on the issue of the abuse Emerson is receiving, I couldn't help but to think this is also happening here within and amongst the posters. Debate like a grown up of course is desirable, yet certain posters here have more interests in dishing out "I told you so" and calling out those (most were mild but a few can be rather provocative and name-calling) of whom held the opposite opinion of them when certain games proved them right - this I am most disturbed with.

It didn't seem that prevalent in the past - even with probably the most hated figure of Mourinho, where discussions were still could be possibly balanced and mutually-respected no matter how unagreeable one's opinion to the other was. Not in recent times though, and that is very sad. Feel like Hojbjerg's discussion starts to see some of this behaviour. Dier's too, then went away, and now his current off-form may see some of that returns. Of course the most this can happen is in Conte's thread and definitely here in Emerson's thread way before the booing topic was debated. Such digging really wasn't necessary, not when the aim was not to prove one's right, but to put the other(s) down.

 

[chrisd2k]

Still better than Son this season. Should Son also receive 'voiced concerns'?

Check Sons thread. By voiced concerns do you mean booing? Because you've quoted me there when I haven't referenced booing.

Factually he has been poor in every attacking stat you can find. Also on the eye test.

It's interesting that any criticism of Emerson is now getting negged in here because of the boos in the stadium regardless of mentioning the booing in the post. Like you support booing because we need to upgrade him. There is a difference which people seem to be finding difficult.

 

[Trix]

Check Sons thread. By voiced concerns do you mean booing? Because you've quoted me there when I haven't referenced booing.

Factually he has been poor in every attacking stat you can find. Also on the eye test.

It's interesting that any criticism of Emerson is now getting negged in here because of the boos in the stadium regardless of mentioning the booing in the post. Like you support booing because we need to upgrade him. There is a difference which people seem to be finding difficult.

Are you sure the neg reps just because of that?

 

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah I think a lot of fans saw Spence as the second coming because he's quick and direct. I see the way Udoggie has been elevated to starter status for the first game of next season by some despite never playing in the league. A&C is spot on when he calls it a hive mentality and once the hive starts to focus it's pretty much end game as far as that player is concerned. Every positive ignored, every mistake magnified. He's vilified for everything praised for nothing, and as soon as he's gone that same crowd will look for their next victim. Sissokko was the "worst player ever to wear the shirt" a couple of years ago now it's Royal. If he gets his chance and fails to perform it could just as easily be Spence in a couple of years time. Simply put the haters shout louder and more often than the balanced, and the hive follow those that shout loudest.

Is he good enough for where we want to be? No. Is he as bad as many people are posting? Definitely not.

you seriously think that had we not signed spence then none of this would be happening?

the tide was already turning on emerson towards the end of last season. i'm sure you read the posts in here, it was only a matter of time that those same thoughts would manifest themselves as groans on a matchday. it's ramped up now because fans are a) unhappy with the overall performance level of the team and b) emerson is still not very good.

i don't like the booing and the sarcastic cheering, in fact i find it embarrassing and uncomfortable but there's no need for mental gymnastics here. the fans just don't rate emerson and are letting him know that. it has nothing to do with djed spence - the only reason his name comes up is because those fans just want someone that isn't emerson.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Let's say Spence comes in and makes errors and doesn't live up to this hype that some have some how generated. Will he then get the same treatment?

if he were to put in a year of mediocre performances whilst displaying an obvious lack of quality then he probably would, yeah. it's not like this treatment of emerson started straight away, he wasn't getting pelters from the stands this time last year. fans will give players time but not forever.

 

[bc205]

Check Sons thread. By voiced concerns do you mean booing? Because you've quoted me there when I haven't referenced booing.

Factually he has been poor in every attacking stat you can find. Also on the eye test.

It's interesting that any criticism of Emerson is now getting negged in here because of the boos in the stadium regardless of mentioning the booing in the post. Like you support booing because we need to upgrade him. There is a difference which people seem to be finding difficult.

Mate there are plenty of critical posts in here that hevn't been negged. You are misframing why your posts have been negged. The post that i negged and responded to from you was one where you clearly minimised the abuse that Emerson received. The other post i saw negged was when you responded to a concern that Emerson is receiving the majority of abuse, despite not being the only poor performer, by just stating that he has been consistently poor all season.

I don't think it is particularly surprising that you are being negged for those posts. Maybe you should reflect a bit more on this before playing the victim card.