Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

gavspur · Jan 4, 2023

I’m gutted. My mum and dad got me a Spurs zip up hoody, off their own back, for Xmas cos I’d mentioned that none of my spurs shirts were lucky shirts. The hoody was to start a fresh in a new year and with good luck for me and Spurs.

I’m gonna set the fucker on fire. #LevyOut

thelak · Jan 4, 2023

parj said:
1) Chelsea, Man Utd and Man city were the dominant spenders way beyond us
2) the second title challenge we lost by 7pts with no spending and UCL. Our current manager spent big to win that title and then finished 5th when he had UCL. If Poch wasn't in Europe then our squad would probably win that title - Levy didn't strengthen that squad
3) it was two seasons.
4 and 5) Poch had Carroll, Holtby, Capoue, Fryers, Naughton, Lennon and Townsend in his first XI. AC would have had a great attack with that. ACs first team when he took over (under an attacking manager) would destroy Pochs first team when he took over. And before you say it wouldn't, who from that team gets into ACs team?

This is one of least factually correct posts I’ve ever read on here. Borderline fiction

knowlespurs · Jan 4, 2023

glacierSpurs said:
Anybody can fault O'hara for anything else but definitely not for his support for the club. Chimbonda too. They have been always supportive of the club in social media. He's a former player who would have known and seen Levy up close and how he operates. I don't think he would be the only ex-player to say this if they did come out and do the same - Conte is clearly not backed enough....

Think o hara was a massive spurs fan before joining us to be fair

lincspurs · Jan 4, 2023

I’ve always thought that Levy was a fan (who was living the dream by being at the helm of the club he loved). Why is it then that he is so averse to going the extra mile to achieve glory, just think of the kudos that would earn him?
Every time we hear he’s learnt his lesson & will be less hands on he returns to his modus operandi, it’s as if he can’t help it.

knowlespurs · Jan 4, 2023

Trix said:
The media starting to turn on Levy is the best thing that could happen right now.

Twitter as well, never seen it so vocal towards levy, seems a bit more than a flash in the pan this time

Sophos151 · Jan 4, 2023

guernman said:
The message from the manager to Levy was pretty clear: "If we want to win titles we have to operate in a different way... " before going on to explain that we were not investing in top players in the way our competitors were...

That wasn't Conte though, that was Pochettino in January 19.

The most important comparison between Pochettino and Conte is that ultmately both managers came to the same conclusion and gave Levy the same ultimatum. Either start buying top players who will immediately improve your starting 11 or stop dreaming of being competitive.

In different circumstances. Pochettino had basically no budget to work with, Conte has had one of the largest in the league.

Cavehillspur · Jan 4, 2023

Stamford said:
It's a small thing and likely makes no difference but Conte asked for a warm weather training camp in the break. He didnt get it. Every other member of the top six went away. Be good if they just listened to him.

Hadn't heard about this, fuckin dickheads running the club.

YB123 · Jan 4, 2023

SlumDilla said:
This tired and lazy narrative again....

Of course it would seem that we have issues with our medical team as you ONLY care about Spurs related injuries. We're actually doing quite well compared to other teams but don't let facts come between a good ole false narrative

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Why have you provided the 20-21 season exactly?

WiganSpur · Jan 4, 2023

If we don't win tonight all the attention will be focused on Levy during that Portsmouth match. That's his worst nightmare probably. It wouldn't surprise me if Conte is sacked tonight therefore, Mason is in charge for Portsmouth and by that point Poch return is 90% done to dampen the fan anger. Then the usual BS trotted out that Poch has to assess the squad etc so we can't make signings this window.

Guernman · Jan 4, 2023

Sophos151 said:
In different circumstances. Pochettino had basically no budget to work with, Conte has had one of the largest in the league.

I just don't believe this is about money, but philosophy.

Levy just can't get past the need to make good investments and that very much extends to players. If a player is young enough to have potential sell on value then Levy will back a manager's preference, but he clearly won't back a manager when it comes to buying players at their peak or players who will have no sell on value even if they would achieve a key element on the pitch.

I don't think Conte has a problem with the budget we have available and will continue to have through our growing revenues, he has a problem with Levy interfering by putting additional constraints on who we target because of this buying potential philosophy. It's a perfectly good model if you are a Southampton or Brighton and ultimately just want to stay in the top league, but it won't work for any team who want to challenge.

Levy would never have sanctioned a move for Casemiro because to pay tens of millions for a player in his thirties would be completely insane to his way of thinking. But the Brazilian has proven to be a transformative purchase for United and will almost certainly ensure they finish above us and back in the champions league.

To challenge at this level means your player recruitment has to be a significant DRAIN on the financial resources of the club, NOT an additional source of revenue. All the big clubs get that, but Levy blatantly refuses to concede. He thinks that we can compete and still profit from players because he happened to stumble upon the odd Modric and Bale. He needs to wake up to the reality of the situation or stop hiring elite mangers like Conte and charging elite prices for tickets.

Albertbarich · Jan 4, 2023

guernman said:
I just don't believe this is about money, but philosophy.

Levy just can't get past the need to make good investments and that very much extends to players. If a player is young enough to have potential sell on value then Levy will back a manager's preference, but he clearly won't back a manager when it comes to buying players at their peak or players who will have no sell on value even if they would achieve a key element on the pitch.

I don't think Conte has a problem with the budget we have available and will continue to have through our growing revenues, he has a problem with Levy interfering by putting additional constraints on who we target because of this buying potential philosophy. It's a perfectly good model if you are a Southampton or Brighton and ultimately just want to stay in the top league, but it won't work for any team who want to challenge.

Levy would never have sanctioned a move for Casemiro because to pay tens of millions for a player in his thirties would be completely insane to his way of thinking. But the Brazilian has proven to be a transformative purchase for United and will almost certainly ensure they finish above us and back in the champions league.

To challenge at this level means your player recruitment philosophy has to be a significant DRAIN on the financial resources of the club, NOT an additional source of revenue. All the big clubs get that, but Levy blatantly refuses to concede. He thinks that we can compete and still profit from players because he happened to stumble upon the odd Modric and Bale. He needs to wake up to the reality of the situation or stop hiring elite mangers like Conte and charging elite prices for tickets.

He said it himself a couple of years ago

He doesn't believe building a team is about spending lots of money.

Even if that were true at this level you would have to have in place the best scouting system in the world. We haven't got the best scouting system in London , nevermind the world.

Were not even competing for the best kids. City and Chelsea's academies being so great isn't some secret. They buy all the best kids!

We have no philosophy except to do things on as cheap a budget as possible except for paying the wages of the people in charge and the facilities, both of which were Industry leading in. Everything else is done on the cheap

ultimateloner · Jan 4, 2023

E17yid said:
I just didn’t consider them because they’re not available for selection. Agree re Ndombele though. Terrible signing but to be fair, another one we were all creaming ourselves about.

guernman said:
I just don't believe this is about money, but philosophy.

Levy just can't get past the need to make good investments and that very much extends to players. If a player is young enough to have potential sell on value then Levy will back a manager's preference, but he clearly won't back a manager when it comes to buying players at their peak or players who will have no sell on value even if they would achieve a key element on the pitch.

I don't think Conte has a problem with the budget we have available and will continue to have through our growing revenues, he has a problem with Levy interfering by putting additional constraints on who we target because of this buying potential philosophy. It's a perfectly good model if you are a Southampton or Brighton and ultimately just want to stay in the top league, but it won't work for any team who want to challenge.

Levy would never have sanctioned a move for Casemiro because to pay tens of millions for a player in his thirties would be completely insane to his way of thinking. But the Brazilian has proven to be a transformative purchase for United and will almost certainly ensure they finish above us and back in the champions league.

To challenge at this level means your player recruitment has to be a significant DRAIN on the financial resources of the club, NOT an additional source of revenue. All the big clubs get that, but Levy blatantly refuses to concede. He thinks that we can compete and still profit from players because he happened to stumble upon the odd Modric and Bale. He needs to wake up to the reality of the situation or stop hiring elite mangers like Conte and charging elite prices for tickets.

This is very well reasoned.
I think DL knows and agrees with you. I think he is unwilling to spend the money required to be title challengers. I think he loves the club just like us fans do, but when your own money is involved its hard to take the sort of risks Man Utd is willing to take.

I don't think fans will change that, no matter what pressure we apply.
I think any fan who wants us to be genuine title challengers needs to realize that the ownership has to be transferred to a soverign as a result. This comes with its own baggage.
I think for this reason, that Arsenal's title challenge is a one-season wonder and not a trend.

I think the pricing of tickets is a seperate issue. It's dependent on supply and demand, and not on the quality of the football on show.

only1waddle · Jan 4, 2023

guernman said:
I just don't believe this is about money, but philosophy.

Levy just can't get past the need to make good investments and that very much extends to players. If a player is young enough to have potential sell on value then Levy will back a manager's preference, but he clearly won't back a manager when it comes to buying players at their peak or players who will have no sell on value even if they would achieve a key element on the pitch.

I don't think Conte has a problem with the budget we have available and will continue to have through our growing revenues, he has a problem with Levy interfering by putting additional constraints on who we target because of this buying potential philosophy. It's a perfectly good model if you are a Southampton or Brighton and ultimately just want to stay in the top league, but it won't work for any team who want to challenge.

Levy would never have sanctioned a move for Casemiro because to pay tens of millions for a player in his thirties would be completely insane to his way of thinking. But the Brazilian has proven to be a transformative purchase for United and will almost certainly ensure they finish above us and back in the champions league.

To challenge at this level means your player recruitment has to be a significant DRAIN on the financial resources of the club, NOT an additional source of revenue. All the big clubs get that, but Levy blatantly refuses to concede. He thinks that we can compete and still profit from players because he happened to stumble upon the odd Modric and Bale. He needs to wake up to the reality of the situation or stop hiring elite mangers like Conte and charging elite prices for tickets.

good post.
Ironically he didn't stumble upon those two (Modric and Bale) they were found when we had Comolli in recruitment, which makes your point much stronger.

Spurzinho · Jan 4, 2023

Interesting stats.

Doctor Dinkey · Jan 4, 2023

Spurzinho said:
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Interesting stats.

They suggest he might be on the decline.

bubble07 · Jan 4, 2023

Guntz said:
Can't really disagree with anything he says here.

If the club is actually threatening him, that's pathetic.

I always wonder what the players reactions are as sky sports news is always on in the training ground. Unless Levy has now sold all the TVs

Spurzinho · Jan 4, 2023

guernman said:
I just don't believe this is about money, but philosophy.

Levy just can't get past the need to make good investments and that very much extends to players. If a player is young enough to have potential sell on value then Levy will back a manager's preference, but he clearly won't back a manager when it comes to buying players at their peak or players who will have no sell on value even if they would achieve a key element on the pitch.

I don't think Conte has a problem with the budget we have available and will continue to have through our growing revenues, he has a problem with Levy interfering by putting additional constraints on who we target because of this buying potential philosophy. It's a perfectly good model if you are a Southampton or Brighton and ultimately just want to stay in the top league, but it won't work for any team who want to challenge.

Levy would never have sanctioned a move for Casemiro because to pay tens of millions for a player in his thirties would be completely insane to his way of thinking. But the Brazilian has proven to be a transformative purchase for United and will almost certainly ensure they finish above us and back in the champions league.

To challenge at this level means your player recruitment has to be a significant DRAIN on the financial resources of the club, NOT an additional source of revenue. All the big clubs get that, but Levy blatantly refuses to concede. He thinks that we can compete and still profit from players because he happened to stumble upon the odd Modric and Bale. He needs to wake up to the reality of the situation or stop hiring elite mangers like Conte and charging elite prices for tickets.

The thing is, I don't even have a particular problem with that philosophy. I took a great deal of pride in our ability to make such incredible progress with budget buys like Dele, Dier, Walker, Rose, Davies and supplemented with the likes of Winks, Kane, Mason, Townsend, Bentaleb. etc The problem was that we stopped picking up those bargains and started buying the likes of Sissoko for £30m, Ndombele for £60m. etc and we also stopped giving youth opportunities. We allowed the likes of KWP, Edwards, Madueki to escape. Get back to the original plan and I'm onboard. It got us a hell of a lot closer to glory than spending big bucks did.

THOWIG · Jan 4, 2023

To operate successfully at our level scouting and recruitment needs to be elite. Not one successful out of five signings. You need 4 out of 5.

brasil_spur · Jan 4, 2023

Rout-Ledge said:
The comparison of line ups is silly - Poch worked absolute wonders with a lot of those players. The names look great on paper but the team was a bit of a mess before he took over, with no identity and no star players.

Exact same thing could easily be said about Conte.

bubble07 · Jan 4, 2023

WiganSpur said:
If we don't win tonight all the attention will be focused on Levy during that Portsmouth match. That's his worst nightmare probably. It wouldn't surprise me if Conte is sacked tonight therefore, Mason is in charge for Portsmouth and by that point Poch return is 90% done to dampen the fan anger. Then the usual BS trotted out that Poch has to assess the squad etc so we can't make signings this window.

Just imagine conte is sacked for Ryan Mason. That's like dumping margot Robbie and going out with Gemma collins

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