I think what he's saying is people go OTT after a defeat, but conveniently forget any good performances or give the manager and players credit for it. You mention the Leicester game, but that was actually the anomaly in the run of league form. We were missing Romero and started Porro with Tanganga behind him.
Sheffield United made 8. How you think 6 changes justifies that performance I have no idea
No we don’t.
Why isn’t this anything to do with the manager?
so player form isn’t anything to do with the manager? Also, if players are off form like son you don’t have to pick him every week. Lastly Perisic was a pure Conte choice. If the manager asks for a player and they aren’t good enough, is that not anything to do with them either
What’s odd is the refusal of some to accept Conte has any responsibility for our performances. I’m not calling for him to be sacked, and I think we should have done more to support him. But I picked on your post as the best example of people just excusing him for anything and everything. What exactly do you think a manager does?
Christ sake I’m not forgetting anything or refusing to give credit where it’s due. Our recent home form has been excellent, City was a great performance. But overall this season has been poor, and Wednesday was a disgrace (not an exaggeration). The last line is another great example of the refusal to see any fault - no one forced Conte to start Porro when Romero was out, or to play Tangana
4th in the PL is not average !
Its lovely to beat them, but lets be honest here, West Ham and Chelsea are just fucking awful. The City game granted was a good game and we played very well, but dont think for a second we should be getting carried away because we are not getting better as a team.
It's subjective, but I would counter that very few performances this season have actually been good.
West ham and Chelsea were good performances. Man City was a good performance
Okay, but if he's not wanting us to connect emotionally to him then he can't ask for patience after poor performances. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Man City was a good performance. Chelsea was good enough against a team that's scored less league goals in 2023 than Solly March, but okay. Can't agree with the other two: West Ham was good enough against a side battling relegation. Palace was half of a good performance and required Hugo to keep it at 0-0 with a string of great saves.
Ok then we fundamentally disagree. We were fourth last year and spent a lot of money to get worse, in a year when many of our rivals are struggling. Also bear in mind GD is a better indicator of future results than points is, and we’ve taken a huge step back there which means we haven’t been as good as our points tally suggests. We’ve gone out of both domestic cups to crap opposition with abysmal performances.
Has it been that poor? We're 4th and still in the Champions League. Never said Wednesday wasn't a disgrace, because it was. I even said it myself in the match thread.
And I wouldn't disagree, but some haven't been as bad as made out to be. My point, though, was everyone wants to say we're crap when we lose but not praise them when we win and play well.
you must see the irony of you posting the bit in bold, because you seem to have erased the Leicester and Milan games from your memory. In the last 7 games we’ve produced two really good results/performances (winning away at Fulham and beating city), beaten two poor teams at home that we absolutely beating (which didn’t mean I enjoyed them any less as beating Chelsea and West Ham is always a delight), one mediocre performance (Milan) and produced two absolute shitshows. I expect more, and here is a reasonable place to say so.
Sorry was AC Milan a league game? No? It wasn't even that bad of a performance. Certainly not to the level Leicester was.
i think largely we are dreadful to watch the style of play for me and its negativity is a huge problem - even when we win its a war of attrition like grinding out the first half against a very poor West Ham side which is been typical all season - relying on counter attacking football when you have an outstanding forward line to me is not the right way to play or one that is going to be successful long term - our results against the top teams has been awful and why I think ultimately we will miss out on the Champions League this season - I would like to be optimistic but for me the regression not only this year but in the last few years at Tottenham since reaching the European cup final has been woeful and clear for everyone to see - the manager selections and there style of football haven't been in keeping with the football club but instead a short term fix to win something at all costs which has failed abysmally and in doing so pushed us back further away from success instead of closer to it
Yet we
a very poor West Ham side that have one of the best defences this year in Europe… a chelsea side with the 2nd best defence in the league from goals scored.
Let’s leave it here as I think we aren’t that far apart but you’re picking fights about things I haven’t said. No milan wasn’t a league game, but you described Wednesday as ‘the exception’ which also wasn’t a league game (and forgot about the Leicester debacle), so I don’t think looking at our overall form in all competitions is unreasonable, and nor did I suggest Milan was on the level of the Leicester performance, in fact quite the opposite as I put it in a separate category of mediocre. There is needless negativity on here, but also needless positivity (the nothing is on Conte crowd) and I will disagree with both when I see it
