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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Trix

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Can not disagree here and if its like that its shit and I fear a solid succession foundation will not suddenly fall in place but in the end we are in the Conte thread and in this era we have the changes with Paratici and discussing about ACs future here...

Probably I rather give them another shot in the dark to hit another Pochettino instead of going through this sh*t full of excuses week in and week out....
If thats the only options I could choose from as a fan.
That's my gripe though world class training ground, world class training ground, and up until recently a world class front line and even manager(elsewhere) and yet how we are run on the football side is still second rate(at best). I'll always give Levy credit for what he does off the pitch, but his input for what we do on it sucks dick.
 

H-SF

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It's not the point. You either back them on what they want or you don't. You don't just buy whomever you want instead because guess what, they don't bleeding get picked.
Conte's future was already firmly in doubt in January though. I know its been done to death on here but you can't really buy a forward with a super unique skillset, terrible numbers and a horrible history of injuries for a decent amount of money for a manager we have all known for ages is going in the summer. It's less of an issue with Porro but we will now be stuck with 3 (albeit good) Rbs/Rwbs come June.
 

sidford

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For anyone who listens to it the lads on VFTL have completely turned on Conte. Jack Pitt Brooke always kept his cards close to chest on it and was never overly critical but after Sheffield game he was very critical and now in this one he's openly calling for Conte to get sacked. He says theres no chance he's here past end of season and very much doubts he 'll be manager for our last game of season against Leeds.

They did make a good point and it's something I noticed at the hammers game I was at is that there were absolutely no Conte chants at all which considering your manager is out sick is strange particularly with how vocal the crowd used to be towards him. Personal opinion is that it's not just online that fans that have stopped backing Conte also think it's the match going fans as well
 

Trix

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Conte's future was already firmly in doubt in January though. I know its been done to death on here but you can't really buy a forward with a super unique skillset, terrible numbers and a horrible history of injuries for a decent amount of money for a manager we have all known for ages is going in the summer. It's less of an issue with Porro but we will now be stuck with 3 (albeit good) Rbs/Rwbs come June.
I know mate and if this was the only case of this happening I'd be in full agreement. I understood the risks with him. You have to admit though every single manager has said the same thing I asked for A,B,C I got X,Y,Z, and that's why it is a problem.
 

H-SF

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I know mate and if this was the only case of this happening I'd be in full agreement. I understood the risks with him. You have to admit though every single manager has said the same thing I asked for A,B,C I got X,Y,Z, and that's why it is a problem.
Yeh, the Spence signing isn't really something that can be defended. I really rate him and think he will be brilliant for us but if Conte was never going to use him the signing was so pointless. Feels like the same happened with the Bissouma signing tbh, he had 1 year left and Paratici rated him so we pulled the trigger. Generally, I don't really mind 'club' signings because if you only sign players the manager wants then what's the point in having a scouting department + some top managers (aka Tuchel) are actually really poor in the transfer market. However, with a manager like Conte you pretty much just have to go for everyone you want otherwise it probably won't end well.
 

Albertbarich

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I know mate and if this was the only case of this happening I'd be in full agreement. I understood the risks with him. You have to admit though every single manager has said the same thing I asked for A,B,C I got X,Y,Z, and that's why it is a problem.
And this is why I maintain that it's pure luck if we're to progress.

We have to hope the next DOF and coach are as good as managing Levy and the board as they are at managing the players.
 

nico97531

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Sorry Trix, thats again a too simple way look at it and I really appreciate your opinions and information on here. No business decision with that sort of money involved has just to be done because we need to back someone so he could maybe do a bit better for six months. Lets get Zaniolo, Conte leaves in the summer, and we complain we have another deadwood player no other manager can deal with. Thats all part of the weighing up process. And a manager also has to be flexible with new signings. There are more than 1 or 2 players around that can improve the team. Some clubs like Ajax or right now Union Berlin or Freiburg find them every year on the cheap. Surely another level but they are ready to compromise and have working structures.
Why is the point dismissed or not mentioned that Conte got backed with a 20m Bentancur, a 30m Kulusevski, a 50m Romero, a 60m Richarlison, a 25m Bissouma or a 40m Porro?
The problem isn’t with us not getting zaniolo if the club deemed it too risky, it’s with the club getting a LWF when the manager wants a RWF. What’s the point in this, I mean it at least makes some sense if the club had go for another RWF then maybe it’s more reasonable for asking the manager to be flexible but not when the player doesn’t even play in the position that the manager is requesting.
 

funkycoldmedina

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And like I said always an excuse as to why we fall short, been the same for the best part of 40 windows.
This irks me a bit, we haven't fallen short for the best part of 40 windows, our peers like Villa, Newcastle, Everton have. We've had excellent, good and bad periods throughout. We made the elite 4 an elite 6. Our strategy has floundered since we pushed ourselves into the top 4. Levy understood what it took us to get in there but he's been all over the place when trying to take us to the next level.
He's disliked, I get that but the hyperbole does my head in
 

jpascavitz

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Pretty much just at my ending point of hope. Conte comes in and I felt a sense of belief that we actually got a serial winner in his prime. Mourinho and Poch were great, but the thinking of the collective was that Mourinho was post peak years and Poch took us as far as he could by many. I probably would have just rode with Poch myself, the football was shit at the end but I hate managerial searches and just would have rebuilt with him.

Conte took an underperforming squad and got results with them last season. Wasn't always pretty but you could see that Conte was almost out there himself playing.

Like most windows, I thought we could have done a little more, I'm always thinking "1-2 more and we'd be actually have a proper go". Coupled that with some injuries, mid season WC, Conte's personal life not being the best and it's looking like the end of the road. A bummer that there was no real continuity this season, just a lot of stop/go and that's reflected in our results.

I'd definitely take Poch back but as I've feared and said to many over the past few months - I just wouldn't trust the higher powers during another manager search if Conte were to go.

I don't see us ending up with Poch and I don't see us ending up with a project manager that most will get behind. I've personally left Twitter for the time being and only really come on here to get news/info on what could happen this Summer. Trying to enjoy the good matches, and forget the bad - but looking like more of the same 😬 😦
 

IamSpurtacus

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This irks me a bit, we haven't fallen short for the best part of 40 windows, our peers like Villa, Newcastle, Everton have. We've had excellent, good and bad periods throughout. We made the elite 4 an elite 6. Our strategy has floundered since we pushed ourselves into the top 4. Levy understood what it took us to get in there but he's been all over the place when trying to take us to the next level.
He's disliked, I get that but the hyperbole does my head in
You're spot on

And the criticism isn't about what's been done to get us to this point - it's that levy won't change his approach to actually genuinely challenge as opposed to simply compete for the top 4, as you acknowledge

I, like many others, want to win things - not just be part of some self-annointed "top 6".

Under Levy that has not and will not happen - that's why people want change
 

mil1lion

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In 10 windows since Poch asked for de Light we've bought Cuti, Rodon and loaned Lenglet

Says it all
I'm sure it was de Jong he wanted, not sure I heard about de Ligt. Although de Jong can go a better job at centre back than Dier.
 

mil1lion

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Was Danjuma signed because he was 'cheap as chips' or the fact the club had misgivings on signing Zaniolo for the fee being demanded (as did everyone else bar Galatasary and Bournemouth)? And with Conte not commiting to signing another contract surely it made sense not to sign a player that we could be looking to get rid of in 18 months time?

Danjuma was clearly on some list because we were linked with him right at the beginning of the window. IMO when it transpired that Roma weren't going lower their demands the decision was made to sign Danjuma (or Delofeu)
Our targets don't make sense to me. We went for Diaz an inside left attacker and then missed out and got Kulusevski (thank god) who is an inside right attacker. We wanted Zaniolo an inside right attacker and got Danjuma an inside left attacker :LOL:
 

Snarfalicious

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Our targets don't make sense to me. We went for Diaz an inside left attacker and then missed out and got Kulusevski (thank god) who is an inside right attacker. We wanted Zaniolo an inside right attacker and got Danjuma an inside left attacker :LOL:

Think it just boils down to opportunity rather than need, most times.
 

Neon_Knight_

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If anyone has ever heard of the colour personality test : red, yellow, blue, green, Levy is very blue, very analytical and detail orientated and slow, he overthinks a lot, we could really do with someone with big influence around him being more of a red personality who understands football and who will have a plan and drive it forwards quickly and who is proactive not just reactive.
The ideal owner (and manager) would be purple imo.
 
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