Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Trix]

There might be a reason no one aside of Bournemouth really wanted a crocked Zaniolo. If Conte is here to stay I'd say give it a go. Otherwise its perfectly reasonable to move on from this one. He actually got a 40m RWB he can now work with....

It's not the point. You either back them on what they want or you don't. You don't just buy whomever you want instead because guess what, they don't bleeding get picked.

 

[carpediem991]

Mate how many managerial cock-ups and player and staff recruitment cock-ups do we need before we place the overall blame on him.

Of course players and coaches always need to take blame, but only a proportion of the blame.

This pattern of all too familiar occurrences lies solely with Levy. I dont think there is too much detail needed.

I always said I blame Levy for that. I blame him for lack of consistent strategy and get the staff in to execute that. He got it wrong the last years.

But right now he is NOT doing the line up, NOT doing the tactics, NOT scouting new targets... why can't we seperate that?

 

[Cel]

What about what Sonny said?

We gonna ignore that?


Forward Son Heung-min said Conte's return will give Spurs an "amazing boost" against Milan.

"I am glad the manager is sitting next to me," Son said.

"When he was not here the staff did a good job, but yesterday we could feel his energy and passion again.

Tbf, He's hardly going to go - this guy sitting next to me. What a prick, I wish he'd do one

 

[Trix]

There might be a reason no one aside of Bournemouth really wanted a crocked Zaniolo. If Conte is here to stay I'd say give it a go. Otherwise its perfectly reasonable to move on from this one. He actually got a 40m RWB he can now work with....

And like I said always an excuse as to why we fall short, been the same for the best part of 40 windows.

 

[bubble07]

Maybe you are right but then he appoints those coaches as well mate. I don't know what else to say really 2 decades of going from one type of manager to then completely the opposite type isn't going to help either is it. Successful clubs appoint the right people and let them get on with it, or in Chelsea's case they just keep throwing money at it until it works. We are never going to be that club so it has to be the former. Even when we seem to get the appointment right how much do we let them get on with it, and get them what they ask for? The list is pretty long now regarding how many times managers have asked for one thing or another and instead literally got whatever the budget option was at that time. From Saha and Nelson to Djed Spence and Danjuma, nothing has really changed!

Yea I agree with that. But I do think the players recently purchased are good players that needs a coach to get the best out of them. Whether that's conte or someone else

Richarlison and Bissouma are peak premier league players who excelled at their clubs. Back in the day we would never have signed those types of players

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Was he asking for "another attacker" or was he asking for a specific attacker that very clearly was attainable because he moved a week later? If you can't see we opted for Danjuma because he was cheap as chips and fell into our lap I don't know what to say. He had literally done his media shots in an Everton shirt. If he was really one we wanted that wouldn't have even gotten close.

Was Danjuma signed because he was 'cheap as chips' or the fact the club had misgivings on signing Zaniolo for the fee being demanded (as did everyone else bar Galatasary and Bournemouth)? And with Conte not commiting to signing another contract surely it made sense not to sign a player that we could be looking to get rid of in 18 months time?

Danjuma was clearly on some list because we were linked with him right at the beginning of the window. IMO when it transpired that Roma weren't going lower their demands the decision was made to sign Danjuma (or Delofeu)

 

[carpediem991]

It's not the point. You either back them on what they want or you don't. You don't just buy whomever you want instead because guess what, they don't bleeding get picked.

Sorry Trix, thats again a too simple way look at it and I really appreciate your opinions and information on here. No business decision with that sort of money involved has just to be done because we need to back someone so he could maybe do a bit better for six months. Lets get Zaniolo, Conte leaves in the summer, and we complain we have another deadwood player no other manager can deal with. Thats all part of the weighing up process. And a manager also has to be flexible with new signings. There are more than 1 or 2 players around that can improve the team. Some clubs like Ajax or right now Union Berlin or Freiburg find them every year on the cheap. Surely another level but they are ready to compromise and have working structures.
Why is the point dismissed or not mentioned that Conte got backed with a 20m Bentancur, a 30m Kulusevski, a 50m Romero, a 60m Richarlison, a 25m Bissouma or a 40m Porro?

 

[alfie103]

Yea I agree with that. But I do think the players recently purchased are good players that needs a coach to get the best out of them. Whether that's conte or someone else

Richarlison and Bissouma are peak premier league players who excelled at their clubs. Back in the day we would never have signed those types of players

He really isn't a peak premier league player. He is above average.

 

[carpediem991]

He really isn't a peak premier league player. He is above average.

Same was Son before he was signed...
And actually he is good enough to be Brazilians no. 9

 

[Trix]

I always said I blame Levy for that. I blame him for lack of consistent strategy and get the staff in to execute that. He got it wrong the last years.

But right now he is NOT doing the line up, NOT doing the tactics, NOT scouting new targets... why can't we seperate that?

Because again he's put this manager in charge, not given him what he's asked for, and he is very responsible for the state of our scouting department and youth teams that have dropped like a stone over the last decade. All our decent scouts fucked off ages ago because what's the point of scouting players if the chairman just goes for who he's seen play well in the FA cup on MOTD. In all fairness Things have looked up regarding both our scouting department and youth sides bringing in more talent since Paratici has been here, but then he's likely to be gone in the coming months and do we think Levy has a plan for his succession that will carry on the good work?

 

[YB123]

I always said I blame Levy for that. I blame him for lack of consistent strategy and get the staff in to execute that. He got it wrong the last years.

But right now he is NOT doing the line up, NOT doing the tactics, NOT scouting new targets... why can't we seperate that?

I've said they all deserve blame, a proportion of it but the top needs to take the majority/largest proportion.

 

[carpediem991]

Because again he's put this manager in charge, not given him what he's asked for, and he is very responsible for the state of our scouting department and youth teams that have dropped like a stone over the last decade. All our decent scouts fucked off ages ago because what's the point of scouting players if the chairman just goes for who he's seen play well in the FA cup on MOTD. In all fairness Things have looked up regarding both our scouting department and youth sides bringing in more talent since Paratici has been here, but then he's likely to be gone in the coming months and do we think Levy has a plan for his succession that will carry on the good work?

Can not disagree here and if its like that its shit and I fear a solid succession foundation will not suddenly fall in place but in the end we are in the Conte thread and in this era we have the changes with Paratici and discussing about ACs future here...

Probably I rather give them another shot in the dark to hit another Pochettino instead of going through this sh*t full of excuses week in and week out....
If thats the only options I could choose from as a fan.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Tbf, He's hardly going to go - this guy sitting next to me. What a prick, I wish he'd do one

The pre game blah is just the same as the post game. Template, pre prepared, the lads etc, great to have X back yada yada yada.

when they “go again” in the next match they generally forget about pre match comments and blow llamas.

 

[alfie103]

Same was Son before he was signed...

Richarlison has played 5 seasons in England and hasn't scored more than 15 goals or got more than 5 assists a season. Doesn't scream peak premier league player to me.

 

[jurgen11]

He really isn't a peak premier league player. He is above average.

sometimes

 

[Trix]

Yea I agree with that. But I do think the players recently purchased are good players that needs a coach to get the best out of them. Whether that's conte or someone else

Richarlison and Bissouma are peak premier league players who excelled at their clubs. Back in the day we would never have signed those types of players

I agree that we have bought some decent players over the last couple of years and we should be doing better. I've said numerous times now if I thought for one second Levy had an actual plan in place to bring in someone else with a solid strategy of how to move forward I'd have shifted Conte on Months ago because this clearly isn't and never will work. I just know it'll be more scattergunning instead so what does it matter.

 

[bubble07]

He really isn't a peak premier league player. He is above average.

We will agree to disagree

 

[YB123]

Richarlison has played 5 seasons in England and hasn't scored more than 15 goals or got more than 5 assists a season. Doesn't scream peak premier league player to me.

Scoring double figures for Watford and that dreadful Everton team cant be sniffed at!

 

[Japhet]

Sometimes it is not true, but I remember quite clear that our ITK stated that Bastoni was attainable. On top of that Conte accepted alternatives. I bet that in the summer TW we are brining nobody in this area if we are not in the top 4.

There was also loads of info saying Bastoni had no intention of leaving Inter.

 

[Yiddo100]

Was deulofeu not 1 of our top targets until he got injured, Romano said it was practically done to us.